The Cold War? Child’s play compared to what lies ahead, according to U.S. historian Robert Kagan. Trump, he says, is leading the world into the most dangerous era since 1945.
It is hilarious to me and also annoying that they say there is no resistance. Millions are flooding the streets. Record protests. Hundreds of thousands have made networks of information systems. But yeah sure no resistance. A toy company took the administration to Supreme Court and won but okay yeah no resistance . Women gassed and burned ice warehouses but okkkkk no resistance. Kids punching nazis. No resistance. Ridiculous.
they say there is no resistance
There’s street resistance, but virtually no political opposition. At every level of government, Democrats are falling over to comply, even as their constituents scream in protest.
There’s a somewhat valid excuse that the Dems are minority powers in house, Senate, and supreme court (which is now partisan) and the American system doesn’t grant any political power at all to a minority party against a lock-step majority.
That said, remember during COVID peaks, when Trump had his BS press conference updates? Andrew Cuomo, himself no saint, also had daily (?) live streams to give important information and quarantine/medical advice. Dem politicians could absolutely be using their voices right now to make a lot of noise - even without mechanical political power.
Democrats are not the minority in California or Oregon or Minnesota or New York. Nevertheless, state and municipal leaders have rolled over to ICE, co-mingled local PD resources, and left grisley murders unprosecuted.
That’s somewhat true, there has been mixed local/state resistance - I was focusing on nationally. I wonder if there’s some pressure being applied behind the scenes to local Dems, fear of retribution, or if it’s mere fecklessness.
My conspiracy hat suspicions are that Dem leadership is willingly sacrificing our rights/lives and letting things get worse in the hopes of boosting their midterm election chances. Althe answer to that is progressive sweep in the primaries
I wonder if there’s some pressure being applied behind the scenes to local Dems
Yeah, it’s called the DN fucking C.
Capitulating to Trump is a party policy
Oh boy, so this is what you think resistance is? I’m afraid you’re even more fucked than I was afraid of.
I’m sure that wherever you’re from has some history of armed uprising. Heck, you might have even been a part of it. But this is still the keyboard warrior trope. There are definitely more productive and friendly ways to explain that you think it’s going to take a lot more than what has already been tried than treating strangers in conflict zones like your own personally loathed chess pieces.
KEEP GOING EVERYONE!!! Locally up to internationally we the people have the power to get things done together!! Get more people active from anybody that isn’t yet!!
Also if you notice anybody going through tons of stress comfort them for a bit, laugh, have fun, and bring up their hope. Get them connected with others in person and online. All of us together are capable of anything
These countries a lot done from people working together: Syria, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Madagascar
Others that already were: Japan, South Korea, Norway, Denmark.
Currently all the People and especially people from these countries need all the assistance they can get: Ukraine, Myanmar, USA, Iran, Nigeria, India (Yes every country just these will have huge impact on everything else)
P.S. Networks of Information systems? I wanna help out for that what do you recommend I do? Been thinking setting up Matrix and Fluxer communities to help out with getting people mobilizing, collaborating, and doing in-person and online. Online communities focused on getting things done
You’re winning some battles but that doesn’t mean you’re winning the war.
The efforts you’ve described are admirable and I’m sure has saved lives and the truth, but if the control runs deep, so must the resistance. I think the more we look into the secrets and recognize manipulation, the more enraged we will feel at how normal it was all made to seem.
It blew my mind when I realized how much of the internet and how much of national media in many countries is propaganda and flawed reporting. Leaving out details is lying imo and it’s often normalized because it’s “PR” or “protection”.
It all often takes me back to my abusive childhood home where I was kept inside/sheltered not to be protected from harm, but to keep me from realizing what was going on. To keep me from reaching people and information that would tell me it isn’t normal. But without the internet, its privacy and the people (not AI) I met there, I might still believe in that normal. It was thinking that got me out, and intense self-reflection. When the AI (even the algorithms sometimes) thinks for you, it doesn’t allow you to go through the process of reasoning and critical thinking.
I first thought it must feel like magic for the kids, then realized no, it’s as normal as our childhood surroundings were to us. And that is terrifying.
There’s a reason the word “renaissance” means rebirth. Wounding isn’t the same as killing (a status quo or a powerful person). They obviously know that, I think most of us don’t though. We didn’t even recognize the evil grow because they pit us against each other. I cri sorry for rant lemmy.
It’s relieving in a terrible way to see this acknowledged. I’ve heard far too many people over the last 15 months argue that this is just a roadbump, or talk about it like the typical Republican administration of economic strain and erosion of some civil rights. This is unprecedented in our country’s history. This is not something to hunker down and wait out.
Even the idea that “fascism will inevitably collapse” is an oversimplification and wishful thinking. I understand that much of this inaction is trauma from the strain of us living in a post 9/11 America, which up until now has been a slow-burn erosion of rights and tightening of economic conditions. Trump’s second term is in every way a different beast. It was well apparent that it would be since before the election even happened: Project 2025. The signs reading “MASS DEPORTATIONS”. Hell; I thought the Alt-Right Insurrection on Jan 6th, 2021 was so blatantly anti-democratic that Trump would have no chance of winning in 2024. I was clearly wrong.
Look at China. Look at Russia. That’s where the USA is heading. Those nations are fascist, too. That is the type of fascism I see this country falling into. It’s not going to be loud, with massive parades and MAGA Youth programs—Not in a country with this many people, this large an area; and this many guns. The fascism of the USA will be like it has been for the last year: With citizens disappeared from our streets; Agents exploiting our already shredded rights; and surveillance networks tracking our every move. That is life in China and Russia; and those nations are well-settled in those systems.
The course of the USA is to fall into a fascism of the system. It will not be our military harming our citizens. The violence will be carried out in policies enacted by people with faces and roles; under the guise of “just doing a job” or “protecting their community”. Hell, let’s not pretend like that wasn’t already the case. The War on Drugs, The Patriot Act, the regular abuses of police against protestors… This nation has been one of systemic violence since well before Trump took the stage in 2015. Just look to the population held imprisoned without being found guilty in our prisons, hospitals, and CIA detention centers.
I applaud the resistance in Minneapolis and Saint Paul. What happened in the Twin Cities was the first bit of resistance we’ve seen in this entire administration (excluding one-day attacks—I am not downplaying their significance.) Regarding the rest of this nation: What happened throughout the last year (especially the atrocities of ICE) is well beyond what I inherently assumed would be the “snapping point”. The fact that our economy and institutions are continuing in the midst of such blatant oppression and corruption, has me convinced there is no snapping point at all. En large, no draconian policy will trigger an out-roar, because the masses simply do not have it within them. We’re too worn down, too distracted, too traumatized, and too used to it. What scares me most is how clear it is—by the public conduct of our corporations, our elected leaders, and our government accounts—that our rulers know this.
“Fascism will inevitably collapse” is the dumbest take.
Like, it took world mobilization and six years to snuff out last time, but this time it’ll just eat itself? Sure
THANK YOU. Also the German Army was weak before Hitler’s rise (hence the loss in WWI which the Nazi’s attributed to the “Stab in the Back” theory). Germany also owed significant debt for reparations in the Treaty of Versailles. And the mobilization of Eurasia, the USA and Canada is no small feat.
None of this is true here. The USA has the strongest and most expensive army in the world. The USA largely was the army of the “Free World”—I say was because it’s clear the USA is aligned closer to China and Russia. Sure, the USA is in debt; but it’s all imaginary numbers because the USA also prints the world currency.
Also: nukes. We’ve got nukes. We’ve got TONS of nukes. In WWII, Germany did not have nukes. Japan did not have nukes. Now, nukes are not nation-enders; but they are fierce deterrents, especially against democracies where leaders have to answer questions like “Why did you provoke the USA into turning my family into shadows over foreign policy?”.
[The world unifies to save the USAmericans] is a prediction so self-absorbed and far-fetched, you’d only hear it from a USAmerican. The UK, Canada, Germany; they’ve all got their own rising fascist movements to suppress—and Again, hurting your civilians over foreign politics is extremely unpopular.
Look at China. Look at Russia.
One of these things 🎵
Is not like the other 🎶
Look at China. … That’s where the USA is heading.
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We need socialism, and fast.
Gotta get the corpo democrats out first then prosecute all fascists and fascist enablers.
We all think the system will save it from itself and also none of us want to die
The problem is that the system is functioning perfectly. It was always intended to help rich people carry out their will, and now that their will is to dismantle the US so that technofeudalism can reign, the system is enabling them to do that.
The US hasnt had a meaningful election in a long time. We were basically already a dictatorship. Now at least we can stop pretending that voting harder will change anything.
We can thank the Electoral College for that. I explained it to a German acquaintance and he was flabbergasted.
Time to study and read socialist theory. Seriously! https://redsails.org/
This guy is a sack of shit as big as trump, why are you upvoting the thread?
Ok, honest question. That Wikipedia article doesn’t seem to say anything about him being a piece of shit, what do you mean?
He is a neo conservative, which I dunno if it qualifies him to be a POS but it does make everything he says pretty fucking suspect.
Sure, the never trumpers are better than not but they still helped usher in this current day madness
Honest question, did you read the wikipedia article?
“In 1997, Kagan co-founded the now-defunct neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century with William Kristol. Through the work of the PNAC, from 1998, Kagan was an early and strong advocate of military action in Syria, Iran, Afghanistan as well as to “remove Mr. Hussein and his regime from power.” After the 1998 bombing of Iraq was announced Kagan said “bombing Iraq isn’t enough” and called on Clinton to send ground troops to Iraq.”
I don’t know anything about the guy but even not up to spec people can say things that are common sense…
There will be an election in 2028, or we break everything.
Why wait? He’s going to try and spoil the midterms later this year.
That’s the scam.
You’ll be relieved when the Democrats “take over”, and the system will survive another term or two.
Then, a Republican will “take over” and the system will survive another term or two.
Mix and match a few issues and it’s as easy as pie. Every one of those “hot button” issues is there for you to mash (like abortion), meanwhile, the real problems aren’t touched (these usually involve a great deal of money).
The majority of the party members are at “war”, whilst the leadership of both are colluding, and getting filthy rich on insider stock trading as a reward for sharing the power (and being a relief valve for the abuses of the other).
You’re falling for the “good cop”
The fact that there will be an election in 2028 is a lot better than saying there won’t be an election in 2028 because that’s electoral doomerism.
My friend Bob, who lives down the street, said the same thing (and he’s no historian).
“Almost”? What meager resistance are they referencing? Protests? Protests are not resistance, they are just saying “we don’t like you and what youre doing”. As we have so far seen that has had no effect other than get people outside and on the street when they otherwise wouldn’t bother.
Those people on the street are building connections, coalitions, and community around resistance. If the protests didn’t mean anything and weren’t effective they wouldn’t be getting met with such a violent reaction from the regime.
Stop with the doomerism, get off the keyboard, and get involved.
Americans are basically pushovers. They will say yes to anything the Federal Government tells them to do.
Time to organize
Why didn’t they stand up? Why didn’t they flee? Well because these did despite the questions suggesting they don’t. Its like the one guy running from five guys and fighting them off as he goes, taking two down before they got him, but since he lost in the end he did not resist or run. We have folks on here who went to europe and plenty protesting and possibly doing other things that they smartly do not give massive detail on. Whats funny is I already see the republicans trying to pin the economy on democrats because everyone can see how things are.
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Tyrants always have the advantage in a “civil society”…
(Almost) Everything he does is legal so people treat it as fair game even if we don’t like it, and aside from ICE murdering people, there isn’t any direct violence to fight against so the “civil society” has to wait until it’s wayyyyyyyy too late, to the point that we’re all being sent to the gas chambers, until it decides it’s morally correct to use violence.
Until that point we’re left hoping our “representatives” will “fight” for us (hahahahahahahahahahahahaha… Ughh…)
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People forget that morality, legality, and constitutionality are all different. Andrew Jackson ignored court orders regarding treaties with the Cherokee, nothing bad happened, because the people supported him. Lincoln blockaded the South without congressional approval, that was a good thing, also unconstitutional. He suspended habeas corpus, which was also unconstitutional. ICE is likely not breaking the constitution in many instances. However, that doesn’t make their actions the slightest bit less abjorrent and evil. The constitution is a centuries old piece of paper. If anything, the Bill of Rights and some ot the other amendments (namely the 14th) are significantly more valuable.
Ice is detaining people without cause or warrants, it’s most definitely breaking the constitution.
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Not me; I think it’s been warranted for probably 6 months now.
But unlike my namesake I’m not willing to go it alone.
