At least on a pilgrimage I can lie down

The monks are not expected to increase shareholder profits in stale air and incessant fluorescent lighting.

My entire issue with flying is not it taking a few hours. It’s that airlines make it as shitty as they can. They really go all out in that way.

Everyone here saying they want the medieval travel version because modern air travel is sooooo terrible should really be joking.

To start, safety. Going on a 6 month journey in the middle ages came with a significant increase in your chance of a gruesome death relative to staying home. Of course, mortality was higher at home than it is today as well, but travel increased mortality even more, since you could very well run into thieves/pirates/slavers, new and exciting diseases your immune system wasn’t adapted to, end up stranded and/or lost in the wilderness, or just get kicked by a horse. In contrast, modern air travel is one of the safest ways to travel today - which makes it one of the safest ways to travel in all of human history.

Next, comfort. As an average traveller in the middle ages (not a noble person), you will be walking. Maybe you have a horse or donkey in your group to help carry food and supplies, but the supplies will take priority, and the only way you get to ride that animal is if you break your leg. To any fans of camping/backpacking, remember that you will not be using modern tents, backpacks, or shoes. Your shelter for a night out will be, at best, a good wool blanket or cloak - mosquitos or gnats buzzing in your ears, rain falling on your face, the cold ground sucking away your warmth. Your backpack, at best, is a sack with shoulder straps, or perhaps a few sticks lashed together with a few ropes to hang over your shoulders - and it may just be a sack that you sling over your shoulder and carry from the front with both hands, your body bruised, aching, and chaffed after just one day of handling such a load. Your shoes are floppy bits of leather - no support or padding to be heard of. If you get sick? Keep walking, or the group is leaving you behind. Get to a villiage? Maybe you’ll get a respite by sleeping under the eves of someones roof or on the hard wood floor of the local church. Food? Heard of hard tack? Shit your pants? Well, you’ll just have to walk in your shit pants for 6 months. But yes, yes, tell me how this is so much better than being mildly uncomfortable sitting in a climate controlled airplane for a few hours while you look down on the earth like a LITERAL FUCKING GOD.

And finally, time. People here seem to think like medieval people travelled for 6 months just for funsies. But no, this is not like taking a year long vacation. For one thing, the other two reasons above - your life is going to be very shitty for basically the whole time, and you might just die due to an ill-tempered musselman or an evil jew witch cursing you to shit blood. But also, you are giving up the opportunity to do anything else to improve your life or the life of your family for a whole year. Your mom could get sick and die. That sexy somebody you keep making eye contact with could marry someone else. The part of the community crop land you’ve been angling to get assigned to your family will get snaked by Bill - of course. Fucking Bill. What a dick. And really, until you show up again, no one is going to do anything to help you out because, again, there is a good chance you die on your trip.

Now, of course, everyone on Lemmy will hate to hear this, because of course, sitting next to a baby on a plane because of THE CAPITALISTS is literally the worst thing that ever happened to anyone, ever, and it was definitely better to die of plague while living under the rule of a literal feudal lord.

But what they’ll hate to hear even more is that if you really want to go on a year long pilgrimage, you can fucking do that. You could start today. And it would still be better than your medival counterparts’, almost no matter what. You can quit your job, break your lease, and start travelling with a few dollars in your pocket - and when you want to return to normal life, just say “oh, I was travelling”, and all the hiring managers will think you are super cool. You can hitchhike across countries where you don’t speak the language, and use your smartphone to translate. You can eat for free out of dumpsters because we throw out tons and tons of perfectly edible food every day. If you are reading this now, you can make money easily simply by travelling to a particular place and speaking a language you already know. If you decide to walk through the wilderness for days, weeks, or months, you can find free maps, mapping software, and information not just about the safest routes, but the most beautiful. You can pick up extraordinarily light, comfortable, and functional equipment from a thrift store. YOU CAN SEE AT NIGHT WITH THE CLICK OF A BUTTON. And if, during your travels, you find out your mom has fallen ill, or Bill is about to swindle the family farm, you can beg, borrow, or steal enough money to catch an oh-so-uncomfortable plane ride home and deal with the situation.

Holy shit, YES, flying economy on an airplane is so much better.

I live in a part of America where you can drive at 70 mph for 4 hours and still be in the middle of nowhere…💀

Gonna say it is the Journey not the destination.

The journey itself is once in a lifetime opportunity to travel though many lands, cultures, languages. It had its high and lows, it was tiresome, but rewarding.

But modern travel has focused on profitability that it only has lows and it is generally a bad experience overall unless you are very rich.

A half-year pilgrim sounds fantastic! Get a break from my job and explore the world, probably share the expenses and burden with other fellow pilgrims.

Sign me the fuck up now.

Would you rather…

• 6-month boat ride to the Holy Land (you believe in it and it’s real),

OR

• 5-month plane ride to the 43rd Annual Corporate Circlejerk

One is a 6 month travel vacation, the other is 5 hours of boredom in cramped space. And before that comes waiting for the flight, stress with boarding, TSA, jet lag,…

And you are supposed to ignore all that and work normally the next day. Or perhaps on the same day, or even on the flight.

Woohoo! Oregon trail time! Let’s go!

You have died of dysentery

Leisurely travel vs rush travel? Hmm, I wonder what is better and more enjoyable?!

We need everything to be available instantly, because we need our time to be bored and watch TikTok.

Reminds me of Yuval Noah Harari who spoke in a talk of his about how even kings back in the day, generally speaking people who get a lot of information handed to them all the time, when they needed to travel the country, they would have a week off and be detached from all the news whilst sitting in a carriage. Here we are having all the world news available to us every second of the day. No excuse not to be up to date on anything. What a comfort…

When I travel across Europe I do so by train, and I find it to be part of the experience that the journey takes time. Last year I visited Italy, from the Netherlands, and through the train window I see the landscape floating by, the flat Netherlands, the hills in Germany, the mountains in Switzerland and then the beautiful landscapes of Italy. Due to the time it takes you get a sense for traveling, for the distance you travel. I don’t mind the time, cause I’m reading a book, which is often the most enjoyable thing of my vacations anyway: I find time to read, without any distractions.

More broadly speaking I’ve noticed that I’ve become suspicious of comfort and convenience. Nothing may take time anymore, nothing may take effort. Everything good needs to be quick and easy, available instantly all the time. But is that really better, or did we actually like having to work for something, not minding that it takes time, and weren’t we more satisfied with the relief when we finished something, feeling like we spent our time well and brought something good unto ourselves. Isn’t that experience more meaningful?

You could say this is some sort of false romanticism, but i don’t think it is. Obviously we got a lot of good things, and I am not saying we should get rid of every comfort or convenience in our lifes. I’m just saying the opposite isn’t true either, some discomforts and disconveniences are blessings in disguise.

at least they had full leg space without class difference.

Time is a luxury. Even on a small scale - I bike or walk to work most days, because I have the luxury of waking up when I wake up, having a morning and a slow human powered commute. That is privilege, yes? So many have to drive an hour or even more.

If I had the time to walk to somewhere far, I would take it.

I guess on the upside, a faster life means more stuff done in each life?

Fuck the “holy” land.