I cannot imagine being such a dimwit as to be one of the people just now waking up to this.
I mean…did these people really not see his first term? Did they really think that the only reason he failed in his first term was because of Covid?
A majority of Americans polled in the survey – 58% – characterized Trump’s first year of his second term as a “failure,” according to the poll.
Just 42% of respondents said Trump’s second term has been a success.
Imagine how dim the 42% must be.
21% of American adults are functionally illiterate. I wonder if that 42% has all of the 21%?
The 42% are locked on Fox News.
From my experience living in the US, I would say “dim” is an incorrect characterization. Supportive of corruption, crime and dishonesty is IMO a much more accurate characterization.
The majority of Americans have significant, legitimate material and social grievances that cause them real duress. Most are surrounded by a curated low-information media environment and society that reinforces punching down, zero sum in-out group thought, scapegoating, etc. And the only official political choice they’re ever allowed is between two preselected corporate stooges.
I think we’re the dimwits if we’re confused as to why Trump has so much inertia.
I would disagree (not from the US, but I have lived there, travelled extensively and have American friends who I speak to pretty regularly).
The “low information” environment is a choice (especially nowadays). Scapegoating is a choice. A two party state is a choice. Even the unaddressed material and social grievances is a choice. US is rich enough to solve all these issues with no problem at all.
The real issue is that a significant portion of Americans support corruption, crime and believe lying is good. While at the same time parroting tedious polemics about “freedumz and shiiit”.
And on top of that the majority of the voter base of the centre-right opposition is fundemantely opposed to anti-corruption, anti-crime and governance (in terms of real outcomes, not words). Most of them are simply too well off to risk rocking the boat (until it’s too late).
While this is a gross generalisation, there is a reason why the following stereotype is applied to Americans:
There are no poor people in the US, just soon-to-be billionaires
zero sum in-out group thought
Curious what you mean by zero sum in this context.
The conservative fallacy that the sum of all positives and negatives in the world is always zero, therefore good cannot be had by all and must always be had at someone else’s expense.
The old “I don’t really win unless someone else loses.”
Thanks.
The people who support Trump after even 2018 are literally so cognitively disabled, I would genuinely submit for consideration that those people are as true to NPCs as possible.
Your average cockroach is more capable of self reflection and complex critical thinking than your average Trump supporter.
Bacertia is a better candidate for holding its own personal, and expansive personal thoughts than a Trump supporter.
ChatGPT is more capable of hallucinating genuine human empathy and emotional intelligence than a Trump supporter.
Cosmic background radiation is more grounded to Earth than a Trump supporter.
These people are simply stupid beyond repair and shouldn’t be respected as equals in any capacity.
i wonder if you are aware that you are brainwashing yourself. it’s okay to cope, we all have to do it these days, but its best kept to yourself where it causes less secondary harm.
One thing worth considering, is that on a global/historical basis it is not unheard of for whole societies (strong majority if not overwhelming majority) to descend into degeneracy, chauvinism and corruption.
In a sense, this is not something specific to the US. These things unfortunately happen.
I see where you are coming from, but I think it’s dangerous to give too much benefit of the doubt and to look at things as we want them to be, not how they are.
I don’t disavow that potential. It’s a real potential. It’s a terrifyingly real potential. And shit like the comment above and the mentality it expresses certainly doesn’t make that potential better.
I disagree with this framing.
I’ve travelled and lived for several years in many countries across NA (including the US), Europe and Asia.
One thing that I’ve learned is that it’s important to keep an open mind, to look at the good things in a given society/culture and to not be overly judgmental. It’s important to not frame thing in terms of expectations from another environment.
That being said there are limits to everything. Looking at the trajectory of American society, it is not unreasonable to speculate that their march towards a chauvinistic, corrupt plutocracy is not going to stop.
I would love to be wrong (it’s a disaster that the US has essentially turned into a mafia state), but to deny reality is the definition of cope.
“Comment above” referring to our ancestor comment, not yours. That comment just strives to paint a starkly black and white image, because black and white certainty (even if it’s wrong) serves the emotional needs of the poster. It does not offer any practical value against the slide into autocracy. It only makes things worse. Everyone should keep their coping to themselves, cope privately, and not inflict it upon others. We need to conserve our common spaces for better forms of thought.
I misunderstood. Apologies.
While I agree that a black and white approach isn’t exactly accurate, you can get to a point where the situation becomes close enough to black/white as a matter of practical considerations (i.e. outcomes). Again, not something specific to the US, it can and does happen everywhere.
I am still clinging to the hope that the Americans will turn things around (i.e. no Obama “hope and change” while avoiding addressing crime and corruption), but it’s becoming increasingly difficult.
And claiming that the overwhelming majority of the US far right is incapable of empathy (or that they are fundamentally supportive of crime and corruption) isn’t factually incorrect to my knowledge.
Oh god you’re still ball tucking to other people.
Hey please drop the bullshit “holier than thou” narrative.
You’re pathetic and rather try to hold hands with Nazis than stand up to them. How very Nevillle Chamberlain of you.
And actually it is quite black and white.
There is zero nuance to mass kidnappings of brown people by white supremachists. Its indisputably evil.
There’s zero nuance to destabilizing a developing nation for the purposes of your rich buddies raping it for resources. Its indisputably evil.
There’s zero nuance to threatening to annex an ally’s territory, again for your rich buddies to rape it for resources. Its indisputably evil.
There’s zero nuance to befriending the CEO of elite pedophiles incorporated, and trafficking and raping kids with him for a decade, its indisputably evil.
And there’s zero nuance to gleefully and openly supporting genocide, foreign nor domestic. Its indisputably evil.
The fact you can’t the black and white nature of the evil of these crimes shows you are fundamentally morally bankrupt, intellectually barren, and untrustworthy with even the most basic and fundamental critical analysis of any serious situation.
Sit this one out, Jr. The adults don’t have time to make kids like you feel better about their insecurities.
The only people brainwashing themselves are those so fucking stupid they think people who’ve gleefully supported Nazism for over 10 years now don’t explicitly and knowingly support autocracy and genocide.
Maybe stop coping and pretending these assholes can be redeemed in any way and aren anything but a hostile enemy that’d see you and everyone like you die, and are currently making big strides to seeing that through.
The left loses when we constantly shoot our own balls off and attempt empathy and understanding to these sadistic sociopaths who’ve only ever demonstrated doubling down in that direction.
So get with reality or sit down and shut the fuck up, because people like you hold all real progress back. Stop cucking yourself to Nazis.
You don’t know a fucking thing about me. You just want to work yourself up into a pseudoreligious froth. Because that’s how you are coping with your fear and insecurity. But it’s fucked up and it doesn’t advance the goals you claim to care about. It’s childish and harmful to those around you. Grow the fuck up and do something KIND for the world, if you’re so fucking afraid of nazis, you coward (since we’re apparently calling names now).
I know exactly what you are. You are like every other pathetic, fucking moronic leftist who wants to tuck their balls inside themselves and make peace with those gleefully supporting or outright committing atrocities to all the marginalized peoples you pretend to care about to virtue signal and feel better about yourself.
Wake up and join the rest of us in reality, you fuck. Stop with the Neville Chamberlain bullshit. You really want people to find the innocence in the party spearheading genocide domestically, destroying the rule of law entirely, sending the military into opposition cities to quell dissidents, destabilizing countries by illegally kidnappings their leadership, threatening NATO (of which two other member nations have nukes), and fundamentally destroying the economy for the benefit of delusional billionaires?
And you have the fucking audacity to disagree that these assholes aren’t Nazis? The mother fuckers doing all of that, plus constantly spam fucking Nazi dog whistles to the public? Seriously?
Are you just stupid or are you stupid and on their side? You act like a fucking 1990’s liberal, as if these people committing so many atrocities can be conquered and tamed with talk and strongly worded letters. Wake the fuck up and stop being so fucking pathetic. At least 1/3rd of the country is fully in support of the atrocities this pedophile piece of shit president is committing. They are a hostile enemy. Wake the fuck up for once in your miserable life. The world isn’t a fucking fairy tale like you want it to be.
Im in Canada and have friends who believed his second term would be mostly as feckless as his first.
They didn’t understand how project 2025 meant he was going to be coming out of the gate with someone else’s agenda with all of the key players, including scotus in his back pocket. It all lined up to mean shit was going to go down fast and hard.
Look where we are one year in. 3 more years to subvert or nullify the next election.
A huge chunk of Americans either don’t pay close attention or get their news through heavily propagandized sources.
He has virtually no support from Democrats while 9 in 10 Republicans back Trump.
Nothing has changed. The fascists still like fascism, they just wish eggs were a little cheaper.
Except there are fewer people identifying as Republican than ever before so that statistic doesn’t mean all that much. When people go from approving to disapproving of Trump they just leave the GOP because it’s a cult that is extremely hostile to dissent, so the ratio of Republicans who approve of him stays high while his popularity with the general public continues to go down.
Yep. Expect a whole lot of Sudden Independents. Or people claiming they belong to a non-existent party like
the teabaggers, oops, I mean the “Tea Party”.Both of which will likely wait on the sidelines for a bit, too embarrassed to admit they are conservatives, and not principled enough to be liberal, but will likely continue to secretly vote Republican, if they vote at all. They just might not broadcast it so much.
The biggest indicator that a conservative is operating in this mode - when they talk about “both sides” and wave in the direction of something David Brooks recently said or wrote…
I legitimately cannot comprehend polls where people who voted for Trump in 2024 changed their minds.
Trump- “Hey I’m going to do all this terrible shit”
Voters- “I’m going to vote for Trump presumably because I like his platform”
Trump- *does exactly what he said he was going to do*
Voters- >:(
I think a lot of them heard what they wanted to hear. Certainly few wanted to read anything about Project 2025, even though it was a click away. Or voted with their “tribe” and know next to nothing about that tribe’s decades long platform, Taco’s specific agenda, Project 2025’s agenda, or the conservative “movement” that underlies all of it.
Or they were simply racist AF and thought all the undesirables were going to be whisked away as if by magic and without any kind of visible consequences like women shot and children gassed. Or they thought he “didn’t really mean it” but he’s a miracle-worker on the economy…
But that’s because Trump speaks in open ended words like - freedom, patriot, illegal. People create their own narrative for what those words mean, and apply it to Trump and then are surprised that their definition doesn’t match trumps… I mean they can’t know everything right? /s
Oh don’t worry, most of them who voted for him a third time are still cheering on the leopards with glee as all the smart-ass minorities and democrat-run areas get what’s coming to 'em!
I went and looked at the profile of a real life trumper who is no longer a friend, on a social media site that I also mostly avoid, and they are openly supporting ICE.
Their justification is literally “imagine if you or your loved one was killed by an illegal” after listing a random list of names of people who were supposedly killed by “ILLEGALS.” But it’s a 3-paragraph post written by somebody who seems to think they are very clever for coming up with a weak metaphor for “imagine if somebody got some shit instead of you” so it’s probably just a copypasta from some grifter they follow.
There was also a manual out. You didn’t even need to listen to him, you just had to read…
That’s the thing. They aren’t so good at the whole reading thing.
42% approving is way way too high.
Yeah this is the scary part. Idiots like Trump will always exist. The fact that so many Americans will follow an idiot is the worrying part.
Because so many Americans are irredeemable idiots
Apparently a lot of people in the US don’t think mocking a disabled person to be “too far”. Or raping children.
Fucking morons.
The US has a cancerous culture of selfish, self-centered narcissism and blind, feudal loyalty to money and those with money. No amount of monstrousness tugs the heartstrings until it impacts them personally. Slowly, those same selfish, evil, self-centered scum are realizing that the suffering they wanted to inflict on others impacts them. They will gain no self-awareness from this and learn nothing, continuing to metastasize even even after Trumpsolini is finally dead and rotting in the ground.
Keep in mind, before trump, the Republican standard was a guy who lied about another country having chemical weapons and harboring a terrorist to drag us into a war for the benefit of his oil-baron buddies and to make his daddy proud.
“Failure” and “gone too far” are understatements and give the impression it was all by accident.
Project 2025 is 50% complete. That is not a failure.
He has virtually no support from Democrats while 9 in 10 Republicans back Trump.
So, ‘disastrous’ in the sense of clickbait headlines, but in practical terms, A-OK.
Uh… and what exactly are these americans doing about it…?
His first term was a failure, I don’t even know how to describe his second so far.
The definition of success depends on what the goal was. If the goal was to establish a fascist dictatorship, wreck the economy, and make people afraid, he is a success
Oh no the polls lmao.
Meanwhile citizens are murdered in the streets. Glad THE POLLS are going to fix that real fast
Here in the UK, we were promised millions per week for the NHS, better jobs and “oven ready deals” to replace our relationship with the EU. Over 50% of people who voted fell for that bullshit. Some are upscaling to the further right Reform (UKs equivalent to MAGA). Telling bold lies will fool too many people, again and again. We cannot sit back. The motivated gobshites will vote us into oblivion.
Meanwhile, project 2025 is ongoing. They’ll discard him once they’re done having him absorb all the outrage and providing plenty of distraction.
I have been saying that for a year, alot of people think trump set up all this himself. There is a ton going on by people we are not seeing. Trump is a tool.
Lol, what? No, we don’t say he’s gone too far. We say he’s a criminal who shouldn’t be in office in the first fucking place. Get the fuck out of here with your standard political opposition speak.
I feel majority of americans are in some sort of collective self destructive delusion. Thats the only way you can explain trump presidency - people didn’t vote for him, they voted for self harm because they’re sick.
Spend a half hour watching Fox News and you can see the alternate reality that magats are living in. My personal exposure to Fox News is an occasional accidental glance at the TV screens at the gym and even just from that it’s obvious what’s going on.
How any U.S. military officer (not the Nazi ice assfucks) could look and think taking a military order for him is in the best interest of their country is a good idea is beyond me.
The guy says whatever comes out of his mind and changes it minutely after who ever he’s talked to.
I guess distraction from his life as a snuff film producer is high on the list right now.
The US military is made up of people who saw Abu Ghraib and said “Sign me up.”
It’s mostly made up of people who were unable to afford college or healthcare when they turned 18.
There’s plenty of people in that situation who don’t sign up. It’s still a choice.
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