• LOGIC💣@lemmy.world
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    What they did in Venezuela was so reprehensible that this is really the only possible defense. You can’t murder a bunch of innocent people to capture a drug trafficker and think that you get the moral high ground. If they can arrest Maduro and bring him to the US, then Venezuela should be able to arrest Trump for murder and bring him to Venezuela.

    There is no moral high ground. There is no good outcome. This is just what happens when evil people gain control of the world’s most powerful military.

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    The fact that he’s allowed to be a public spokesperson for the administration speaks wonders. Wormtongue is supposed to be whispering in the shadows like he was in the first term. He’s now the public face of the mask off authoritarian message that keeps ramping up.

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      I was just saying tonight - the fact that we’re seeing more and more of racist Nosferatu means things are getting much worse. They are have dropped all pretense of giving a shit. They’re not even giving us lies anymore. It’s now just “fuck you that’s why”.

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    Wannabe Henry Kissenger without the charisma, intellect, ability to disguise evil as perfectly logical foreign policy.

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    Rapist logic. I did what I did because I was strong enough to take what I want.

    Absolutely disgusting.

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    And MAGA worshippers are watching with glee.

    As a non-Merican I hope the Union falls apart before Trump can crown himself King of America.

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      As an American, I hope for the same. The New England Federation will probably be pretty chill. Probably high taxes even for the poors though

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    This thread’s title is not sensational. Dudes a childish maniac with influence over the use of nuclear weapons.

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    So, by that same logic, any other country can, if it has the resources, kill him because reasons, right? If international rules are over…

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      I mean effectively that’s basically what they are calling for… Hell I think that’s half what they are hoping for… either another country makes an attempt to attack and we get to test out our detection and defenses before launching a sharp counter and claiming whatever country attacks as our own. Or everyone’s too afraid to, and then we leverage our position as the unstable psychopath bully that everyone just gives whatever it asks for in the hopes that they can avoid being the next bullying target.

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        Even the world vs the United States would be a bad idea. We’re geographically isolated from major military powers, and unless there is civil war and regional breakup (nowhere close to happening), the US is impossible to seriously threaten.

        It also doesn’t make sense for anybody to pick a fight with the US, as Trump is destroying both the American economy and global influence. Nobody can do more damage to America than Trump, so placating him in surface level ways while preparing a costly defensive strategy is the smart move.

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          The problem is what happens when surface level isn’t enough… IE with the Venezuela having happened, what’s the response to do for Canada and Greenland. When trump says “OK we’re taking these now, join us or we’ll take it by force”. How should the other nations respond?

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            They should already have stopped all trade and cooperation with us but they haven’t so that’s a good place to start.

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              I’d say to put in comparison… Canada and Greenland probably should view themselves as in the same position as Ukraine. The parallels are kind of scary there. IE they sure as hell are doing an impressive job of holding their ground against a much bigger army… but the death toll is horrific… and I can’t imagine the difficult decisions for everyone with regards to how dangerous it is to get involved. While both Putin and Trump are horrible actors… Trump I can’t help but get the feeling he doesn’t understand the concept of MAD, and actually would launch a nuke.

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                Trump is fundamentally different from Putin. Putin wants to restore the empire Russia lost with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Trump wants to bully and power trip, but doesn’t want an all out war. After he realized attacking Iran might lead to a more protracted war, he immediately tried to deescalate. Lucky for him Iran has big internal issues and didn’t really want more problems, but other targets might not back down so easily.

                This isn’t to say he won’t attack Greenland, but it is less likely than most of Latin American. If Europe doesn’t do anything meaningful to beef up their defenses, he might do it. However, he wouldn’t want a war of attrition against a modern military, but an overwhelming show of force with no clear goal beyond death an mayhem. His strategy is to beat smaller nations until they call him God and bend the knee. He’s a bully, not a conquer.

                What will be more scary is if he dies in the middle of escalating wars. JD Vance is a weakling who will easily fold to the rabid zealots who might actually want expensive conquest. They might suspend elections and start forever wars to keep power until they collapse under their own weight.

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          .world is known for censoring topics precisely like you’re complaining about, as well as having a reputation for some of the most toxic mod behavior across the Lemmy instances*.

          Specific mods, plural, on .world are known to encounter comments they disagree with, and go back through user histories looking for unrelated, thin excuses for bans.

          I don’t care quite enough to go find sources, these are my accumulated observations. But they are fairly well known and uncontroversial, among those who watch such things, I believe.

          [*originally said Fediverse in place of Lemmy, bigger claim I realized I wasn’t meaning to make at all]

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              Thanks, I should probably clarify that I’m aware people have mixed experiences and it’s not the kind of extreme heavy handedness that I understand Reddit has largely incorporated.

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          And yet there was a whole saga where world admins claimed being pro Luigi, especially mentioning jury nullification, constituted advocating for violence and they had to remove such posts due to ‘EU law’ according to legal advice they totally received.

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          I was banned from a group called Late Stage Capitalism, where one of the rules is you’re not allowed to support the Democrats and another is you’re not allowed to call anyone a “bot” or “tankie” or “paid by Putin”

          They banned me for “NBo anticommunist bullshit”

          I don’t even know what “NBo” means but I’m gonna assume a community that has a rule against calling people “paid by Putin” is not exactly a good bunch of people

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            My brother is a solid liberal and hates Trump, but for some unknown reason he hopped on Putin’s dick years ago. Whenever his defense of Putin descends into bad comedy, he claims that if Putin is actually a bad person then the CIA installed him. Which somehow makes him a good person? I dunno. I assume that some random podcasters somewhere are running around defending Putin because podcasts are my brother’s sources for all knowledge.

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    This dude gave an unhinged rant in high school. None of this should be surprising. He and his wife need to be yeeted into the sun.

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    This is getting dark but at this point US is clearly on a path to start using their powerful military to invade and occupy other countries. They are becoming the Nazi Germany of the XXI century but since they have nuclear weapons no one will be able to stop them. This will basically mean new cold war between US and China (and maybe EU if they manage to unite and develop a common position). So yeah, a lot of suffering ahead of us with a chance of nuclear war.

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      Except that, if China went full cold war with the US, all they’d have to do is stop selling to the US and the entire US economy would collapse. Not to mention that economic sanctions against the US would cripple the country completely, because Trump would just immediately default on the country’s debt (as he loves to do) and, oh yeah, the entire NYSE would crater to 0 in about 5 minutes flat.

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        the scenario in which China just stops selling to the US would probably collapse China’s economy too. Think about it. Why is the national debt so high? How is it that high and yet “most prosperous nation in the world”? International investment. There’s a lot of money invested from China and other countries. Their investments are only good so long as the American economy is good. International investors can leverage American debt to them as sort of capital asset to thereby invest in other things…

        It’s a giant domino effect. When China pulls out, the American economy will likely collapse… but, then all the money people had invested and had leveraged also collapse… and so then those international investors can’t pay their debts because they have nothing to leverage it with and thus also collapse… and so on and so forth… the ripple is wide.

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          But while america has been investing in making itself dependent on foreign resources, China has been investing in making other countries dependent on theirs. I think that, if it were about the math of overall risk, China has less risk from the us. There are wartime measures that can boost an economy, but they require that economy to actually have the resources necessary to function.

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          the scenario in which China just stops selling to the US would probably collapse China’s economy too

          While the US may be one of their biggest single customer (representing about 16% of China’s exports), they’re far from China’s only customer.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_trading_partners_of_China

          The EU is almost the same size of market as the US, and the southeast Asian countries as a group are a larger customer than either of those.

          Cutting off the US won’t cripple China. Plus the Chinese government is very willing to play the long game if they can foresee an eventual positive outcome for themselves.

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        Which would suck for American citizens but dictators usually don’t really care about those. I don’t think this administration sees US public as an obstacle anymore. They survived ICE raids and Epstein backlash. Everyone just stands their ground, there were 0 resignations. They built up their gestapo real fast, National Guard fell in line and the military has no problems fallowing illegal orders. They still take it easy because they don’t really have to go full fascist dictator right now but they know nothing will stop them when they have to do it.

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            I’m talking about his core team. Even Hegseth and Waltz are still there. Press secretaries usually don’t last long but Leavitt is still there. Kennedy is still there. I might be missing somebody but nobody from his core team resigned. During his previous term he had 4 press secretaries and 4 Chiefs of Staff. This time no one moves despite massive fuckups and controversies.

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      Trouble is, China and Russia are quite happy to have spheres of influence that don’t overlap with the US’. The only issues are places like Taiwan, where the US still has some kind of residual genetic memory that letting China take it over would be bad - though as the US regime manifests its destiny ever harder I expect they’ll realise that makes no sense in their own worldview.

      It really doesn’t leave many big players interested in a rules-based international order. My understanding is that African nations by and large don’t give a shit about Ukraine.

      The problem for anyone still interested in it is that they’re torn between trying to keep whatever scrap of interest the US has in upholding national sovereignty in Ukraine and making any meaningful progress on what happens when Trump finally abandons it for good, or annexes Greenland.

      Trying to keep Trump onside makes short-term sense, but in the long term European citizens need to be prepared for worse standards of living as the cost of defence and goods increases because we need to become independent of the US. If you fail to articulate the necessity of that independence, there’ll be more backlash against the sacrifice. Far-right parties will be the beneficiaries of that backlash, who will happily put their respective countries under the boot of whichever fascist autocrat they prefer.

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        100% agree. EU is totally failing on messaging ever since Trump won his first term. They still pretend everything will be fine and they can maintain the status quo indefinitely. I see two options here:

        1. EU wakes the fuck up and realized they can only survive together, stands up to Trump and unites around a common cause (both politicians and citizens). Trade war will hit us hard but we can save our freedom

        2. EU continues to fall apart while every country only cares about their own short term interest, each country falls under the influence of USA, China or Russia and becomes a puppet state

        Right now we’re heading straight for option 2.