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Panel 1: “Installing Windows 20 years ago” screenshot of install wizard with just a couple buttons
Panel 2: “Installing Linux 20 years ago” screenshot of a busy command line
Panel 3: “Installing Windows today” screenshot of a busy command line
Panel 4: “Installing Linux today” screenshot of install wizard with just a couple buttons
Such a shame that Wayland did away with accessibility APIs which makes switching a hard stop for those of us with disabilities that rely on software that works with these APIs.
They work with X11, which had consistent APIs, but Wayland leaves it up to each distro to implement their own APIs, if they do at all, fragmenting the ecosystem.
Hell, even mouse acceleration curves are skuffed now, it really sucks.
X11 still works fine, despite the FUD.
Xfce4 is one option, several others exist.
My favorite conspiracy of the moment is that Microsoft intentionally does this New Coke thing and then they will roll out actually good Windows and make all of DA MONY AND KEEL DA LEENOOCKS DIZIZZ. But it’s Microsoft, so the long game will go on forever and there will be no pay off. Also - Mint is soooo gooooood to use compared to Win11
People forgot already…
EVERY SECOND WINDOWS IS GOOD Win XP good, Vista bad, 7 good, 8 bad, 10 good, 11 bad, 12 good?
Only this time around Linux got to the point where everyday users can switch and only run into debiliating problems twice a year, so MS is losing customers.
All windows after 7 was just a downward spiral of shittiness.
You say so yet 10 is fast, convienient and easy to use. Wouldn’t call it better than 7, but it was good.
Nah, 10 is the primordial ooze from which all the current vile evil coming out of microsoft was formed.
7 was faster, more convenient, less in your way, and just overall a superior product. No microsoft OS has even equaled what 7 was, much less be superior to it.
Straight up said I wouldn’t call 10 better than 7. So what’s your point? 10 is, overall, good OS. Not best, not great, good.
Straight up said I wouldn’t call 10 better than 7. So what’s your point?
10 is the primordial ooze from which all the current vile evil coming out of microsoft was formed.
Agree to disagree. 10 is fast, reliable and convienient. I agree it served as a sandbox for all the shit they crammed into 12, but it doesn’t change anything.
Still would prefer 7. Kinda loved 7.
debiliating problems?
Is there any coke alternative that’s almost as good and in some regard better, but for free?
No but RC cola is pretty good if you want something that tastes similar to coke. My hick is showing ain’t it?
And here I like RC cola because it tastes to completely different than coke. I find it to be the most distant from coke flavour of all the colas I’ve had
Amusingly, Ubuntu Cola is pretty good.
Lots of smaller, independent brands make nice cola, like Fritz-Kola in Germany or Breizh Cola in France. Don’t expect to find them at your local hole in the wall though.
Fritz is the best
I bought Pepsi after a long time of drinking almost no sodas, and none of big-brand ones (and I prefer Pepsi to Coke generally). It was somewhat of a shock as to how loaded it was with caffeine and sugar. Next time I’ll rather get store-brand soda that’s five times cheaper and has barely any sugar and no caffeine, even if it’s blander in taste.
nope, but i have no idea how else to describe their counterproductive logic
They’ve cared about the shareholders over the customers for way too long. Enshittyfication isnt a strategy, it’s a symptom of promising infinitive growth.
and it’s a pity
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Don’t forget to remove the french language pack
Pourquoi? C’est très utile!
For real!
My favourite part of the Linux installation process is when it automatically places itself before windows in the grub menu boot order
Inb4 don’t dual boot: I occasionally need to for work
Getting help with Linux 15-20 years ago: some forum full with slurs telling you to google it
Getting help with Windows 15-20 years ago: “Do this and this, if that fails look up data backup methods before the reinstall.”
Getting help with Linux now: various Wikis and blogs. The hazard of finding an AI hallucinated blog post is significant, but can be blocked.
Getting help with Windows now: support forums owned by Microsoft filled with users telling they have the same issue, and AI agents hallucinating solutions.
Getting help with Windows now: support forums owned by Microsoft filled with users telling they have the same issue, and AI agents hallucinating solutions.
I feel this to my core.
My work PC uses Windows, and sometimes I have to Google something that is acting up, which takes me to these sorts of threads. It’s always:
OP: I’m having trouble with this app, it doesn’t recognize my default audio device. I’ve tried X, Y, and Z, which did not work.
Jimothy, Certified Windows Expert: Greetings, OP! My name is Jimothy, a Certified Windows Expert and fellow Windows enthusiast! I am sorry to hear about the issues you’ve been having. But don’t worry, I am here to assist. 3 paragraphs later You should try going to the user settings and make sure that “Use default audio device” is checked on. Did this fix your issue?
OP: I don’t see any setting labeled “Use default audio device.”
15 posts follow from other users who are experiencing the same issue, also confirming there is no such setting.
Jimothy, Certified Windows Expert: Greetings again, OP! I am sorry to hear that did not answer your question. According to the app specifications, use of the default audio device is not a supported feature at this time. If you would like to make a suggestion to include this feature in a future release, you may submit a request through the Microsoft Feedback Portal. I will now close this topic to further replies. Thank you!
lol, freaking nailed it. God those are insufferable.
to be fair, some linux forums still have toxic members, and some others while probably not toxic, are still a bit harsh with people
Asking for Linux help online is still just as toxic and useless as 20 years ago.
Being told “RFTM! noob”, isn’t as common as it was 20 years ago. At least with Fedora where good help can be found. Still, there are a good number of questions that just don’t get answered either.
Try Reddit or Stackoverflow for a contrasting experience.
I often go through r/fedora and I very seldom come across anyone belittling anyone else. You might not get an answer at all, but it’s seldom anyone will tell you to RTFM. I have little experience with stackoverflow, so I can’t say anything about them.
Ugh. That reminds me of the Microsoft admin fanboys where I worked, dissing Linux because its all command lines, while saying that MS inventing PowerShell was a stroke of genius making their lives easier.
I had a coworker, about 30 years old… Who taught computer science at a college prior to us working together… Who said to me “Command line? That stuffs ancient, man.”
Just in case you were thinking about spending money on college tuition to learn computer science…
Tell him a wrist brace helps with mouse-induced RSI when it flares up.
If an ancedote has someone questioning if they should go to college for computer science, they should definitely not be going to college for any degree.
No, they definitely should.
SUsE Linux had a nice GUI installer in 2005.
Caldera had a GUI installer in 1998…
I never used Caldera, but holy hell the font and design of this installer brings back so many memories.
IIRC, Caldera also had a Tetris clone in the installer, so you could play while it installed itself.
20 years ago it was way easier to install Linux from a boot disk (like ubuntu or suse) than windows from scratch. Sometimes XP didn’t have the necessary drives and you’d need to find bootable drivers and load them from a floppy disk
It was even easier to install OSx86 on my laptop than windows vista from scratch in 2007
Maybe this is one of those thinking that 20 years ago was the 90s
I remember reformatting a Windows computer to get a fresh install and I had to find the driver CD and install a driver for audio, internet and other very basic stuff.
Well that screenshot was accurate for Gentoo circa 2005, it’s just the worst choice for ease of install, with Linux graphical installs provided by suse, mandrake, and redhat from the 90s.
Fair point could be made that the out of box experience was sorely lacking and you pretty much had to configure;make install most software you actually wanted…
I guess you’re right in the sense that neither could play audio off drivers packaged with install media in that era.
Unless you’re installing some weird corporate build of Windows you’ll have a very simple installation process. Linux has caught up a lot to that experience.
I don’t think I ever messed with the Windows 3.1 OS on my family’s 486, but from Windows 95 and onwards I’ve done multiple installs of all the consumer versions of windows and was an avid user of win2k at the time. And for Windows 11 I have only ever installed it in a VM on a Linux machine to test Windows tools that are part of our builds at work.
I’ve also installed the last couple versions of Linux Mint a few times on some newer and older PCs. And some other distros in VMs for various reasons.
ALL of my recent Linux installs have gone far more smoothly and quickly than ANY Windows installs I remember.
Old windows? Better.
New Linux? Best!
I am new to linux Mint and mullvad had an update ready, so i clicked update. It just stayed downloading on 0% for like 5 minutes, so i remembered this ISN’T WINDOWS. So i opened terminal and sudo apt upgrade and Mullvad was updated and new version installed.
It’s weird how windows makes things looks easy, but then they don’t work well. Linux makes things look difficult, but it they work well.
to be fair if it had an update button, that should have been enough for it. you don’t need to run commands because this is the Linux Way, but because better solutions are not there yet
I mean,
aptitudeand Synaptic update packages or the whole system fine. It’s just that Mullvad has no business trying to do that itself.apt and synaptic is not really user friendly though. but something based on packagekit can show a better program ctalog, and even provide automatic updates, or even just reminders that there are new updates.
Not exactly. The GUI variant of the updater that you tried also didn’t work well.
CLI mostly works ok (unless a bug causes your DE to be uninstalled if you try to install steam), but GUI is very hit-and-miss.
Just the other day I had a bug in XFCE where I want to scale up the contents of the screen. So I use the GUI display config tool, set the scale to 0.5 (because for some reason they scale the wrong way round, <1 enlarges, >2 makes things smaller). It does work, the display gets scaled up.
After I’m done I want to scale back down and the GUI display config tool just locks up on startup and only shows a blank window with a few blank dropdowns.
A bit of googleing later I found the config file where I can change it back and once I changed the scaling to 1 again, the GUI tool worked again.
I’ve been using Linux exclusively for many years now, but without google I couldn’t have fixed that.
Now both sides meet in the middle: GUI for setup, terminal for fixing the one thing that breaks.
heyyy i’m the 900th upvote
Tbh, Installing Gentoo today is basically the same as it was in the first screenshot anyway :D But then again, most people would object to conflating the Gentoo installation to the “Linux installation”
