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obligatory firearm safety reminder:
- rule one is “keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire”
- rule two is “never point the weapon at anything you are not willing to destroy”
- rule three is “always treat any weapon as though it is loaded”
- rule four is “know your target and what lays beyond it”
only by holding each other accountable can we make sure that everyone stays safe and has fun.
Calling a firearm “fun” is already part of the problem
Disagree. I’m not from the US, so maybe guns being seen as fun is more of a cultural issue in not aware of, but plenty of weapons are seen as fun here in the UK. And while we do have gun crime, I think firearms are seen differently here vs the US.
People will go axe throwing for fun. With Scouts, we shot air rifles on camp a number of times (supervised by people who knew what they were doing). Knife throwing is also a thing. Clay Pigeon shooting is also not uncommon here.
I genuinely believe using a weapon on a (non-living) target is fun for a lot of normal, well adjusted people.
You are talking about activities.
Sure you can have fun like that. But that doesn’t mean that these things should be sold as “fun” like toys are marketed.
They should be marketed to make clear these are dangerous weapons that require training and responsibility, not sold as toys to play around with.
I’m not American, and this kind of absolute is completely unacceptable.
You’re basically fun-shaming.
There’s plenty of stuff that’s universally disliked, like… Idk, murder… But that’s not the whole reason guns exist. Sport shooting, hunting, event target practice, can be lots of fun to people, and they all involve guns, and no person is harmed, if done correctly.
Stop being so hateful.
I don’t even like guns. I’ve never held, nor fired one. And I wouldn’t ever, even slightly, say that there is no “fun” to be had with firearms.
You’re a dick.
You missed the point. Saying that calling it “fun” is problematic doesn’t imply that you can’t have fun, of course you can (I have, a tonne). I assume the above comment called it problematic because they weighed the “fun” of gun owners against 40k dead Americans a year and decided maybe we shouldn’t be focusing on the entertainment.
You can absolutely have more gun control and not really inhibit firearm sports or hunting BTW. The USA ought to have a monopoly on Olympic shooting medals if that weren’t the case 😅
If they had IDPA or USPSA events they probably would, to be fair. The Olympics only have like four shooting events (coincidentally the ones less popular in America) there’s way more shooting sports than that.
Besides, if you look at the wiki’s medal table like I just did after you made me curious, it seems to indicate the US has 121 medals (incl all metals) for shooting, and the next highest China has 77, so, I mean, I guess we kinda do anyway?
Across all sports the US has over 3 times china’s all time medal totals in both summer and winter games. Not even having double is a pretty significant underperformance.
Maybe we should conclude gun culture makes a nation better at track and field because people get more practice running away 😂
Has the highest amount
WhAt, NoT eVeN tRiPlE?!?!
Lmao ok bud, call me when someone catches up. Cute try though.
Guns should be marketed as dangerous goods that require training and responsibility in owning them.
There is nothing wrong with having fun with firearms, but marketing them like toys is messed up in all kinds of ways.
So yeah, if people want to sell these like they sell candy to children, I am shaming them.
Firearms are fun. Knives are fun. Martial arts are fun. At least to a decently large number of people. That doesn’t mean that their roles in society don’t suck.
One might say that the danger (to people, to society…) outweighs the benefits of allowing target shooting as a sport. Maybe, I’d still disagree, but that’s an opinion we can argue about. We don’t allow people to build their own nuclear reactors for fun, for example. But saying something isn’t “fun” is ignoring that a lot of people perceive the world differently.
A lot of stupid things are “fun” to a huge number of people. Loud cars, street fights, guns… Normal people grow out of it. Just because some adult children still think it’s “fun” doesn’t mean we have to tolerate and allow it.
Thanks. I’ve never owned, fired, or even held a gun.
I have no intention to. I knew most of these, but I’m glad to see it officially written out like this.
If I’m ever in the position where I need to handle a gun, I can do so more safely then I would have before.
Good work. Keep that shit up.
1: Don’t have a gun.
The only rule You really need.
I get your point, but hunting, as a sport, is about as old of a sport as you can get, and for that sport there will always be people who prefer firearms.
At a basic level, firearms really can’t be barred from most countries as a blanket rule for everyone that is never allowed to be broken.
Therefore, firearms exist and people have them. That might not be you, or your neighbor, nor anyone you know, but they exist and people have them.
If you are ever in the rare position of being in the presence of one, and/or the situation where you need to handle one for any reason, would this information not be better to know ahead of time, rather than unknown until that moment?
It’s like first aid, IMO. I’ve known first aid for well over two decades, including CPR and everything. I’ve never needed anything more than how to correctly apply a bandaid. I’m still grateful to know what I know in case I’m ever in a situation that I may need it. That situation might never come, it may never happen. I’d rather know, and never have the need to know, than have the need to know, and not know.
Safety, first aid, anything that keeps people alive, should be universal knowledge. Doesn’t matter if it’s guns, cars, CPR, bandaids, or forklift safety… It’s better to know it, and never need it, than need it, and not know it. Period.
Running is a sport. Swimming is a sport. Football is a sport. Hunting is a game at best. For mentally unwell people.
You are being foolish. Hunting is not only enjoyable for some, but it is also how many feed their family.
Oh come on. I get what you are trying to point out, but that is like saying you don’t need to know forklift safety rules, as you will never operate a forklift.
Dude. Forklifts are useful.
Guns are also useful. Especially with the world at its wits end with Nazis
This mindset is why kids that receive abstinence-only sex ed end up getting pregnant way more often
Americans will say the dumbest shit to protect their guns. Having sex and owning a gun are 2 different things. Only one of them is a biological need.
Even if you’re against gun ownership, it’s important to be aware of gun safety if you’re completely surrounded by them 24/7, because there may come a time when knowing the rules of firearms safety become relevant.
My ccw class taught updated rules that I think are better:
1: always keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to fire.
2: always keep your weapon pointed in a safe direction. (In a defense situation, the bad guy is a safe direction)
3: always treat as loaded until verified otherwise.(Some firearms need to be dry fired to be cleaned)
4: know your target and it’s surroundings. You are responsible for every bullet that leaves your weapon.
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Take a bullet, leave a bullet
I can’t tell you how many times this has saved me at checkout.
Wow you must encounter some really aggressive cashiers
I dunno about aggressive, they seem pretty courteous to me
You know how old I was when I learned the most important rule of firearms? Five.
I learned it from watching an anime called Saber Rider and the Star Sheriffs.
The rule is “the weapon is always loaded, treat it as such”.
When a fucking anime from the 80s has better firearms safety than a boatload of CERTAIN people, something is horrifyingly wrong.
Idiots?
Edit: I wonder what comment I meant to respond to, because it certainly was not yours LOL.
I don’t get America, a place where you can walk around with a weapon that has no purpose other than to cause harm
Edit: fair few people here going “Yeah, people who don’t treat guns correctly are so dangerous!” meanwhile they don’t realise they’re part of the problem. Any country where you can carry around a gun without repercussions is a country I don’t want to be in
Some context here: this is almost certainly a gun store, and this is going to be from the check-in station for when people come to jlhave their guns worked on, a holster fitted, or for gun sales.
I used to work an a major outdoors store and we’d have dozens of customer-owned guns come in a day, and we’d find a round in the chamber a few times a year, and we have them hell over it every time. We also had jar of shame like this one.
The worst that I experienced was when I was mounting a scope on a 300 Win Mag. The rifle was checked in up front, made it through 2 salesmen who helped them select a scope, and then to me for the mounting.
I had the customer shoulder the gun so I could find their eye position, got the appropriate mounts, and took the gun to the back and spent some time.mounting everything.
When everything was mounted properly, the optic zeroed with the bore scope (good enough to hit paper at 100 yards), and the gun ready to go I worked the action to check clearance on the bolt and a nickel-plated round was ejected. The guy at the gun check-in had seen the color of the jacket and assumed it was the magazine follower (they’re supposed to che k more thoroughly, and the next 3 of us in line did the same quick visual check and were fooled by the silver color.
My asshole was puckered for a week, and when I reported the incident to the firearm department manager he threw a shifting at everyone involved (including the customer), but let me off easy since I reported the incident and he could see how shaken I was.
But it also was a great demonstration of the importance of the rules of gun safety. Even though we all “knew” the gun was unloaded, there wasn’t any real danger since we all still treated it like it was loaded at all times.
Safety requires multiple layers. With the 4 rules (treat all guns as if they are loaded, do not point the gun at anything you aren’t willing to kill or destroy, be aware of your target and what’s behind your target, and keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire), you can screw up on any 3 of the rules without anyone being injured.
I have a few firearms. All are unloaded. Every damn time I touch a gun I eject the magazine, and check the chamber. Alllllways assume a gun is loaded. I even check again before packing shit away just to ensure the habit. Now magazines? Those fuckers stay loaded. Same for the reloaders.
You see, we might just need to cause death at any moment, one never knows, there’s too much life around all the time. Someone’s gotta keep that in check.
I have a neighbor who appears to be schitzophrenic. He seems to think I hacked his wifi for some reason. He’s threatened me in the parking lot, assaulted another resident, and I have a video of him standing outside my bedroom window in the middle of the night, pointing at it, and swinging a baseball bat. I bought a gun. I carry it when I go to my car or the mailbox or do laundry. Because the cops didn’t do shit and I am not going to get murdered by this motherfucker.
Idk why but you reminded me of this story lol.
I had a neighbor for a while who would walk around talking to himself. The closest I got to him, I was walking to the dumpsters with the trash and he was walking the other way towards me. As I was walking by I nodded and said “how’s it going” y’know as ya do, and he responded with a totally normal “fuck you american you come to africa I kill you yadda yadda.” I laughed and said “Ok you have a nice one too” and everything was cool, but I probably would have been worried if I hadn’t had a gun concealed on me at the time.
Luckily I didn’t have to use it! Closest I’ve got was a different dude who pulled a knife on me and my then-gf in a parking lot in '19. I moved the concealment and grabbed the grip and for some unknown reason he decided to walk away without pressing the issue further. I assume he found someone else to rob, no clue what happened after I bought my groceries and left.
People seem to think gun owners are itching for an excuse to use it. Maybe some are like that, but as for me, and it sounds like you, and the majority I’ve met, well I don’t ever want to put holes in anything that isn’t made of paper. It is reassuring to know that if someone’s going to try and bludgeon me to death I have an option to prevent that though.
I’ve actually drawn once in a defensive situation. Juvenile mountain lion was curious. I was growling and hissing at it but it kept coming so I drew. It finally turned and I didn’t have to try and kill it.
Peak life experience. I was really lucky to get see one and I’m so glad I didn’t have to shoot it.
That’s the other thing Europeans don’t understand. They drove all their alpha predators extinct centuries ago.
It’s for killing MAGA. Washington and his friends were worried people would try to create tyranny, so they made sure Americans all had guns to kill the people who do that.
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Then why’d they add “being necessary to the security of a free State”?
Idk if the other guy is right, but it’s not like they would add “to hunt down slaves” instead. So they might have put that to get the whole thing added on.
Right, but if the only way the slavers could get it in was to say it’s for rebelling against tyranny, then it seems like rebelling against tyranny was the important concern.
Also I’ve read the declaration of secession by the confederate states and it was really explicit about slavery being the point. I think they would say it’s for slavery if they thought they could get away with it
It’s wrong… kinda close, but wrong (not slaves - different non-white people). Wondering if a correction gets made.
how do you expect us to protect ourselves from other gun owners?
I can’t tell if this is a joke or you can’t see the irony haha
Its easier to paint all gun owners as reckless at best, criminals at worst, when you have dumbasses like this walking around. Truth is, the vast majority of american gun owners I’ve met have been strict followers of the 4 rules. If I ever meet someone who isn’t, they immediately become strangers after I leave the situation. Ill try to correct behavior, but not everyone is receptive. Thats where common sense gun laws would be great to have, like proving competency with a firearm and the safety rules especially, every year if you want a ccw. Unfortunately, the ccw in my state is an online course with 10 questions at the end, and fees and a waiting list to get your physical card. I could (and did, but did not carry until confident with my setup) get this ccw without ever having fired the gun I intend to carry, much less handled it safely.
Also, for people less familiar, if you are ever handed a firearm, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CLEAR IT YOURSELF. Just because someone clears it in front of you, does not make it clear. I dont care if the person field strips it in front of me, the first thing im doing after they hand it to me is clearing it myself.
Gun owners reading maybe? Please be more reponsible/safe with your firearms. Be as safe as you think you should, then be a little safer. There’s countless little things to work on, like not breaching the fire line or responsible clearing before leave line. We all take a huge responsibility when we decide to carry concealed. You have to delete your ego, you can’t be short fused. There’s no room for prejudice, or stupidity. You alone are responsible for what comes out of your weapon, and if the responsibility is shrugged off, tragic things happen that you have to live with. Don’t mess around, stay sharp.
Treat EVERY GUN as if its loaded (imagine that rounds can magically appear if you set it down or take eyes off, because they sometimes do!) Keep your finger off the trigger until ready and safe to fire. (Keep your booger hook off the bang switch!) Do not point your firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy (whether youre firing or not, whether its loaded or not) Fully know your target and all things behind it(bullets have a tendency to keep going)
I dont care if the person field strips it in front of me, the first thing im doing after they hand it to me is clearing it myself.
This kind of attitude is the exact right way to do it when safety is involved. You make it automatic, not a decision. It’s like wearing your seatbelt. It saves you time and energy while producing the best results.
Put another way: Crazy shit happens every day. You make it automatic not because you distrust the person unloading it in front of you. You do it because you shouldn’t trust yourself to be perfectly flawless in life and death situations. You do it 100% of the times that you rationally know for certain that it’s empty, so that you skip the check 0.00000% of the time that some crazy sequence of events quietly creates a dangerous situation.
I’m honestly very anti-firearms, I live in the USA and while I have met young veterans who take good care of their firearms and exhibit excellent discipline, I have met enough dangerous folk waltzing around toting firearms to flex power at best or to carry out violence at worst, (many different walks of life), that I do not want fire arms in the hands of anyone. The state already has a monopoly on violence, thigh high sock wearing lesbians on lemmy, or people who served and choose to own and carry aren’t really necessary. We’d be better off without them as a whole. And violence isn’t the absolute solution some of my peers would make it out to be.
Having observed the state, I do not trust it with a monopoly on violence. Yes, we might be better off without weapons. When we can guarantee that nazism will never, ever rise again, then we may feel free to disarm ourselves. Until then, that seems unwise. After all, ICE is doing most of their work in cities and states with harsh gun restrictions, where it’s safe for them to oppress.
Btw
When we can guarantee that nazism will never, ever rise again
That’s a “never.” Remember like 8y ago when everyone said “it could never happen here?” Well…
I like to think humanity is capable of evolving beyond such stupid ideas. But in the near term it does seem a bit of a long shot.
You can’t really kill most ideas (it seems especially not the bad ones), they just lay dormant for a while, maybe change shape a little, maybe change location, but they come back. Many things in life are cyclical, just like fashion trends coming back in style so do ideas, and unfortunately those are usually not limited by nostalgia.
Unfortunately, even if it did “never come back” we can’t verify that “never” until the sun explodes (assuming that kills all the humans, if we get off planet before that all bets are off) as “never” can only truly be known retroactively.
And tbh, if we did have that utopian world devoid of fascism (all authoritarianism, really) and crime for eternity, guns wouldn’t be an issue anymore anyway to necessitate a ban, at that point fuck it, have fun!
American things.
What a fucking dystopia it is, when people can just bring guns to stores. Why would you need a murder weapon, do you have that many enemies? Statistically you’re more likely to use it on yourself, or a kid finds it and hurts itself or someone else. Unless it’s in a safe, in which case it’s useless for home protection when all your enemies are coming over to kill you. Seriously dude, what did you do to have that many people wanting to kill you. Do you want to know what I have for home protection? Machine gun? RPG? Wrong, I have locks. They still haven’t killed me. I am being held hostage by my 3 cats though. Also, I’m nice to people, I don’t have enemies.
…this is clearly in a gun store.
What a fucking dystopia if you can just buy a gun in a store. The majority of people are idiots, why give everyone access to devices specifically made to kill people? Is society really safer if everyone has a gun? When it comes to disputes there’s a whole spectrum between shouting “hey asshole” and killing someone, but every other form of escalation is skipped when guns are involved. It’s just stupid. Especially when you make everyone stupid with junk food. Then you have stupid people doing stupid things with lethal weapons. Like school shootings for example, which is considered ‘normal’ these days and ‘collateral damage’ to protect the second amendment. “I don’t mind my kids are at risk of getting shot and killed at school, so I can have guns, so I can protect my family against other people with guns.” If you take guns out of the equation, a lot of issues will be solved. But since Americans now learn how to hide from shooters instead of math, I wonder if they even know what an equation is. The US is not far from the world portrayed in the movie Idiocracy.
Why would you need a murder weapon, do you have that many enemies?
Know that this site has a higher than average LGBTQIA+ population. For a lot of the Americans you’re directly referring to, the answer is yes.
Seriously dude, what did you do to have that many people wanting to kill you.
Literally nothing, and yet they do
Do you want to know what I have for home protection? […] Wrong, I have locks.
Lol. Lmao, even
So is your argument everyone should have guns? Because the people wanting to murder you for no reason will have access to them too. I doubt they will invade your home to kill you if they can only get a kitchen knife in stores as a weapon.
How often are people being hunted and killed for just being who they are? Are there actual groups who specifically home invade to kill LGBTQIA+? I knew the US was fucked up, but I haven’t heard of actual death squads.
How often are people being hunted and killed for just being who they are?
It’s common enough that it’s a viable legal defense for murder.
My argument is that as long as the people who want me dead have guns, I should probably have a gun as well. This goes double for my trans brothers and sisters. In a perfect world, nobody would have guns. In a perfect world, cancer wouldn’t exist. But Americans have guns, and cancer exists, so we should quit smoking and remain armed for now.
Statistically there’s a higher chance to use a gun on yourself during dark days, you know, which we all have sometimes, or have someone hurt during an accident with it (like a kid finds it or you shoot your partner/kid/friend coming home late while thinking it’s a burger) than you actually needing to protect yourself.
But why is it there are so many murder hungry people in the US? You make it sound like the Purge. What does law enforcement do with these murderous groups? Honestly, I haven’t heard of any group actively braking in to kill people just because. Do you have sources of this happening?
Im not advocating gun ownership but locks just slow honest people down.
Well let’s see.
A friend of mine had his house broken into while he and another friend were there, they were held up at gunpoint and pistol whipped and had their safe (among other things) robbed. We had to glue his head back together because we didn’t have money for stitches (of course they’d just been robbed so that didn’t help, but also good ol’ no insurance played a part in that). They moved, cops never caught the guys. Wasn’t “their enemy,” was just a home invasion. He had locks too, and they didn’t help.
A little later in that same neighborhood, another friend of mine was selling some weed to a guy (I know I know he was a master criminal because weed was illegal so he deserved to die or whatever) and the guy stabbed him and stole the weed. He did have to go to the hospital but he luckily did live. Big ol’ scar on his gut now forever though and I don’t think it was worth it for the story. Wasn’t my friend’s enemy (actually we thought dude was cool, not a friend but an aquaintance), until he stabbed him of course.
I moved from that neighborhood to another across town, and luckily we only had people stealing from unlocked cars there, but we did hear gunshots in the distance every night and I found a crushed .40sw round right next to my mailbox that someone must have dropped doing hoodrat shit. Thankfully nothing happened beyond that, but had it, it never hurts to be prepared. None of them were my enemy either, and they never decided to make me one.
Moved from there after a while to a “safer” (the heroin dealers live in the next apartments over, not my direct complex, so it’s “safer” kinda sorta bur we get some bleed off) neighborhood I’m in now. Went to the store at one point in 2019, and in the parking lot a guy pulled a knife on me and my then-gf. Luckily after all the previous experiences and a few other close calls, I had bought a gun and got a permit to carry it. I moved my concealment and put the hand on the grip, and he turned and walked away. Instead of being stabbed or whatever he wanted to do, I bought bread. I call that a win, and thankfully without even having to fire a shot. No clue who that guy was, definitely wasn’t “my enemy” until y’know the whole knife thing put us at odds immediately upon meeting.
I’m also nice to people, I also “don’t have any enemies,” so are my friends, but it seems not everyone needs to think of you as an “enemy” before they attack you, some I thought were friendly acquaintances, some my friends or I had never even met before, in fact not one time has it been “well I was mean to that guy so now he pulled a knife,” not one has been “our enemies.” The world only works like that on procedural dramas, in the real world ime it is usually someone you know and are ostensibly friendly with, or someone you’ve never met.
Hell, bonus story, once I was taking out the trash to the dumpster and walked past a guy on the way, so I politely said “hey hows it going,” y’know as ya do, and he responded “Fuck you american you come to africa we kill you” yadda yadda blah blah. I laughed and said “ok you have a nice day too” and kept going, luckily he walked off down the street shouting about killing me instead of actually trying to, but yeah maybe that helps illustrate that being polite and not having “enemies” isn’t necessarily the magical protective ward you think it is. No clue what was wrong with that dude (had to be something, that isn’t a normal reaction to “hey how’s it going,”) I’m just glad he didn’t get more violent than threatening my life (like, threatening is fine, just don’t start acting on it), but whatever is wrong with him it wasn’t my fault lol.
So yeah it’s not all about “enemies,” nor “locks” even if you were an agoraphobe.
they were held up at gunpoint
Would be nice if they didn’t have access to guns right? Perfect example why guns should be banned. Because what would you do, invading a home to ving people when you don’t have anything to hold them at gunpoint with?
I know I know he was a master criminal because weed
Selling a bit of weed is being a master criminal? Mate, what rock are you living under?
and the guy stabbed him and stole the weed
Wtf, did he sell it in a back alley to a stranger or something? My drug dealer is a good friend of mine, he always takes care of his clients, which are all his friends. Like seriously, getting stabbed for a bit of weed? How much of the story are you not telling me? Who would stab for a bit of weed? I mean, if he had 5 kilos of cocain I’d understand if someone tried to tip him off, but a bit of weed? Makes no sense. But again, access to weapons makes use of them more likely. Whether it’s guns or knives, or anything else.
but we did hear gunshots in the distance every night and I found a crushed .40sw round right next to my mailbox
Again, would have been great if no one had guns. Ban that shit!
I’m also nice to people, I also “don’t have any enemies,” so are my friends, but it seems not everyone needs to think of you as an “enemy” before they attack you
Bro, maybe move to another neighborhood which isn’t a fucking war zone. I know, it’s easily talking when loving I na first world country and giving advice to someone living in a 3rd world country, but I know people in the US and there are places where the violence is much lower than other places like Detroit for example.
So yeah it’s not all about “enemies,” nor “locks” even if you were an agoraphobe.
I agree, it’s mostly about people having easy access to lethal weapons which makes the lives of everyone else much less safe.
Over here I can go onto the streets, everywhere at any time, day or night, without having to fear for my life. I’m not saying there isn’t crime and women can do the same as we have less nice neighborhoods as well, but at least we don’t have to fear for our lives when going outside. When someone gets killed it’s national news as it’s so rare, everyone is in shock. There are 0.2 to 0.25 deaths by guns per 100.000 inhabitants per year, which is a steap increase compared to 10 years ago, with the coming of the Moroccan èn Mexican mafia these days. In the US it’s 13.7 in 2023 which is lower than the years before. But sure, keep discarding statistics and blame anything but guns. You give examples of people with easy access to weapons committing crimes, as an argument for having guns while it’s exactly why you shouldn’t have any. We’re not allowed to have tasers, pepperspray, numchucks, knuckelirons, rubber sticks or any other weapons. Crime is so low because of that, criminals don’t want to pay 7000 euros for a crappy pistol on a black marked they don’t even have connections to, just to rob someone of their wallet which doesn’t even contain cash money anymore. Also, we build our houses from stone and concrete, with proper locks the time to break in is longer than it takes for the cops to arrive. No one is worried about anyone entering their house to hurt them. People just worry about their iPad getting stolen, or their bike. Which happens without weapons, BECAUSE NO ONE HAS THEM.
Would be nice if they didn’t have access to guns right?
Sure, but they did, and my money is on “not legally,” but either way they did. There’s 600,000,000+ already out there with no registry and 3d printed glocks are a thing now. They can get them and will continue to be able to, pandora’s box has been opened.
Also if you look back far enough in history: blind bet, I bet you 1,000 internet points home invasions existed before firearms. Likely before gunpowder even, actually. I mean Viking raids alone…
Selling a bit of weed is being a master criminal? Mate, what rock are you living under?
Ah you’re from a country that has never heard of sarcasm, my apologies.
Wtf, did he sell it in a back alley to a stranger or something?
Parking lot of a closed-for-the-night Veterinarian’s office on a main road to a regular customer we considered a friendly acquaintance up until that point, why? We know his government name and have met his brother (of course, we didn’t snitch and afaik he is now in prison, or maybe was, for robbing a gas station). He still stabbed my friend and sent him to the hospital. Idk what to tell you, I agree he should probably not have stabbed my friend over 2oz but he did, so, sorry?
Again, would have been great if no one had guns. Ban that shit!
Again, probably illegally possessed and won’t be gone anytime soon even if they were illegal to possess. And even if they were legal, they are already there.
Bro, maybe move to another neighborhood which isn’t a fucking war zone.
Rich and privileged European disconnected from the reality of America? Why am I not surprised?
there are places where the violence is much lower than other places like Detroit for example.
I’m going to assume based on the above observation you don’t understand the subtle racism here. It’s there though, for future reference.
They can get them and will continue to be able to, pandora’s box has been opened.
Yhrt3e a difference to being able to buy a gun for a few hundred bucks in a supermarket and only being able to buy a questionable quality gun for several thousand euros on the black market, something which isn’t accessible to anyone (I don’t know anyone who sells guns for example). Sure, 3D printed guns are a thing too, but mostly because parts can be bought freely in the US which can me CNCed into workable parts. Those parts aren’t legal here either.
Also if you look back far enough in history:
Those were different times. So you’re afraid of vikings invading if guns were to be banned?
Ah you’re from a country that has never heard of sarcasm, my apologies.
The Dutch are super sarcastic. I’m autistic, I have a hard time picking it up, sorry.
Again, probably illegally possessed and won’t be gone anytime soon even if they were illegal to possess. And even if they were legal, they are already there.
Australia is a good example. They banned guns all at once, people got angry. Now they live without gun violence. Don’t say it’s not possible.
Rich and privileged
I’m not. Well, I am privileged to have been born here, that’s true. But I’ve seen a lot around the world. Nice places and horrific places (like Mogadishu for example) filled with terror. Because I’ve been to these places, not from reading about it on the internet. I haven’t been to the US though, but I have friends from there (from all around). I may be rich compared to people in Africa but also I have to live from paycheck to paycheck, don’t own a house, no car, no savings etc.
I’m going to assume based on the above observation you don’t understand the subtle racism here. It’s there though, for future reference.
I don’t understand. Saying Detroit has a high crime rate is racist? Or saying not all places in the US have a high crime rate is racist? Could you explain it, I honestly don’t get it. Sorry.
There’s 600,000,000 out there already that are not going anywhere, the price isn’t going down any time soon even if we make them illegal. Not to mention pipe shotguns, the LutySMG, the FGC9, countless reloaders with tonnes of components, and trillions of rounds of stashed ammo across the whole US civilians’ collections, good luck. Even if people would comply with an Aus style buyback, that would be astronomically expensive at the scale required to even get the percentage of guns they got (which was like 20%, and they are now back up to their 1996 amount of guns at 3.2mil.)
Those were different times. So you’re afraid of vikings invading if guns were to be banned?
You’re the one that thinks nobody ever invaded someone’s home before guns existed lol, that’s on you.
You’re privileged enough to tell poor people in bad neighborhoods to “just move somewhere better bro” because that’s exactly what you did. Do you think the people in bad neighborhoods stay for the ice cream trucks? No it’s because they can’t afford to move to a nicer area, hell sometimes the nicer area moves to them and pushes them out because now they can’t afford that neighborhood anymore, it’s called gentrification.
Detroit is a city often tied to black people and poverty and was usually used as every racist uncle’s example of racist bullshit, though now that is becoming Chicago it’s still basically a “Ah this is a 60-65yo republican I’m talking to” dogwhistle. Like I said I assume by “privileged European” you didn’t know that.
that would be astronomically expensive
Guns are too. What do you think it costs in health care, police, intelligence services, dealing with bodies, loss of work force (as they are dead) etc? Why not stop deporting people, as that actually is astronomically expensive. You can just make excuses why to keep guns, saying it’s impossible, but is has been proven it’s possible and statistics show it works.
You’re the one that thinks nobody ever invaded someone’s home before guns existed lol, that’s on you.
Again, those were different times. I live in a country where it’s national news if something like a violent home invasion happens. Same with all the other countries around us.
You’re privileged enough to tell poor people in bad neighborhoods to “just move somewhere better bro”
If you live in a war zone, yeah, fleeing is the better option. I have friends who fled from war, who traveled from Iraq and Syria with nothing. If the alternative is a high probability of losing your life, I’d know what I’d chose.
Detroit is a city often tied to black people and poverty and was usually used as every racist uncle’s example
I chose Detroit as an example as it has high crime rates. You made it racist by assuming I meant black people. Wrong assumption.
Like I said I assume by “privileged European” you didn’t know that.
Indeed, I didn’t know you would find a way to change so. Thing I said into something racist. I may be a “privileged European” but I’ve been in wars myself, I’ve been homeless once, I’m unable to work anymore due to really bad PTSD due to my wartime experience, I’ve seen hundreds of people drown while fleeing from war, I’ve seen people being tortured, I’ve seen dead babies on the side of the road, etc. But what do I know about gun violence, being poor and surviving, right?
The issue I mostly have with Americans is their claim of having a monopoly on the truth, knowing everything better while not knowing anything from the rest of the world. You’re not much different so far.
Get rid of guns and violence will drastically decrease. Or you can just add more guns and enjoy killing each other The Purge style, as you all are so full of hate towards each other.
Yeah good luck with all that lol, it’s not happening anytime soon regardless and there’s no point wasting energy about it in this thread anymore. Unless you happen to have enough votes to overturn a constitutional amendment in your pocket we’ll have to agree to disagree for now.
Ammmeeeeriiiiicaaaaa
The town I used to live in has to have signs in the laundromat to remind people to check their pockets for ammo.
Apparently they’ve had to replace a couple dryers.
I see a .45, 9mm and I think a 556/223 in that jar right off the bat
I’ve had multiple people try and hand me a gun saying “It’s not loaded.” Let me see you clear it, please. I want to see light down that chamber if I’m going to accept that. Some guys get annoyed, but I once failed a gun safety course as a teen because I forgot to ask as the instructor as he handed me one. I will absolutely never forget that going forward.
I taught my kids never to touch a gun unless the owner cleared it in front of them and showed them the empty chamber.
My gun and I are always loaded so I would not be going to that store.
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If you aren’t condition 4 when entering, I’ll meet you at condition 0.
the perspective of this pic makes some of those rounds look like grenades
Imagine living in a place where fire arms are a reality around you and you need constant worry about it.
The american dream.
