• Furbag@lemmy.world
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    If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port.

    But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.

    This is just extrajudicial murder, plain and simple. I hope Trump and everyone who is involved with this dies an excruciatingly painful death.

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      If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port

      That would require due process, instead of a spectacle of Shock and Awe.

      Also, let’s say, hypothetically that these aren’t drug boats. Let’s say they are boats moving medical supplies or fuel or building materials between Venezuela and Cuba. Let’s say they’re actually military units working on behalf of the Venezuelan Coast Guard or just fisherman who got caught in an international crossfire.

      It’s just easier to say “Drug Gang. Killed them.” knowing no major American media source is going to publish a rebuttal. Nobody in the US has access to the details of the attack. Nobody is going to interview the families or investigate the wreckage. Nobody is going to contradict this regime when it comes to butchering citizens of the Global South.

      So why not call them a drug gang? Call them human traffickers. Call them roving nautical pedophiles. Call them Islamic Jihad.

      American audiences won’t hear anything different.

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      But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.

      It’s not like those can’t be planted. They’re already killing civilians of another country, there’s no bottom in their games.

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      Yeah, but that is the case for a LOT of murder done by both states and individuals. I’m in no way saying that to lessen how bad it is, if anything it should give people pause to reflect on how bad many things they don’t see as bad are.

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    Extrajudicial murders using the same paltry level of evidence as most ICE operations. The word MURDER is the essential word.

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    They can tell how many they killed, but no actual eviidence of drugs in the wreckage while counting bodies??

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      That’s the neat part! They can’t! No one is counting bodies in person, this is all remote us murder, as is tradition.

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          Same way they knew about enemy casualties in any conflict, they “estimate” from observed data before they pull the trigger.

          FYI did you know that the us claimed 1.1 million kills in Vietnam? The Vietnamese claim less then 500,000 where killed (with many many more civilians killed)

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    They will keep killing fishermen until Venezuela takes action, and then its ok to invade for that sweet sweet oil. Drill baby drill! USA USA USA!

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      Fishermen? I’m not defending the actions of my government, they are fucking appalling and illegal, but have you seen the boats they’ve killed? My friend, those are not likely innocent fishermen.

      EDIT: None of you read first sentence. Not going to parse a two sentence post for you.

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        The U.S. doesn’t run Venezuelan oil — it regulates who gets to touch it. The Treasury’s OFAC sanctions don’t control production; they choke the financial and logistical pipelines around it. That’s Washington’s leverage — not ownership, but gatekeeping. Venezuela nationalized its oil industry back in the 1970s, and PDVSA still owns every barrel that comes out of the ground.

        Right now, the only American company still operating there is Chevron, and even they’re basically on probation. Their projects run under a temporary OFAC license that can be pulled at any time, and they’re not allowed to pay the Maduro government directly. Everything has to go through a U.S.-approved escrow system.

        Meanwhile, most of Venezuela’s actual oil exports move outside U.S. reach entirely — crude swapped through China, blended with Iranian condensate, shipped under flags of convenience on ghost fleets that never report their location. That’s not American control; that’s a global workaround to avoid it.

        So yeah, the U.S. has influence — financial choke points, compliance pressure, and the ability to turn Chevron’s tap on or off. But control? No. PDVSA owns the wells, China and Iran move the barrels, and OFAC just decides who’s allowed to touch the money.

        Edit: Please, I encourage you to fact-check me. Informed decision-making is the key to equitable governance.

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    It’s insane that they aren’t, at worst, intercepting and searching these vessels. As with everything Trump does, cruelty is the point.

    This man is a convicted felon that is sloppily trying to cover up the fact he sexually abused children (Epstein Files), along with the full support of the republican party. And the GOP (politicians and voters alike) are complicit with these crimes as long as they agree he should not be punished.

    We, the sane people in this world, will never forget these facts.

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    Why can’t they just intercept the boats and arrest the people on board if they truly have evidence of smuggling? It’s cheaper in the short term than wasting expensive missiles, and much cheaper in the long term when you factor in the reparations we’re going to have to pay to the families of all the people that were murdered.

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    These boat strikes are becoming like school shootings. You gotta start numbering them. And don’t bother with the hurricane or Greek Covid naming either. We’re gonna pass the numbers in alphabet in no time.