• Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
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    I disagree (with the title but agree with you the post), Jan 6th should truly be the dealbreaker. Why? Cause it’s not even politics, it’s simple rules of games.

    If you can’t accept when you lose, you don’t get to play anymore.

    They had 4 years to jail him over treason and they didn’t. I said it before and I’ll say it again, Biden should have jailed him for Jan 6th.

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      Biden should have used the bully pulpit and pushed hard to prosecute. Merrick Garland is technically the one who sat on his ass for 2 years before getting started, which is how Trump was able to delay through the election then throw out his own cases.

      Based on the strong bipartisan coverup of the Epstein Files, clearly there are reasons Biden’s donors didn’t want to prosecute one of “their own.” So they didn’t, because the people don’t get represented in America, only capital owners do.

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      Biden should have had him and the rest of the isurrectionists executed for trying to overthrow throw democracy. Jailing them just changes their platform for inciting rebellion.

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      Merrick Garland deserves a place in hell with Newt Gingrich, The Koch Family, Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, and Mitch McConnell.

      Now I personally believe that Garland was just that incompetent rather than malicious as the others are.

      However, his incompetence is dammingly damaging to the future of the entire planet.

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    I don’t understand why AIPAC, Citizens United, exorbitant health care and education costs, tax rates for the rich, slavery in prisons, and every other goddamned ridiculous thing that other first world countries don’t have wasn’t a deal breaker.

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      While I agree, what would it mean for these to be “dealbreakers”?

      Bill Clinton gave tax rates for the rich, but he didn’t run on that – he ran on expanding the Middle Class. Barack Obama ran on a platform of fixing healthcare, and he sorta did. Citizens United v FEC was decided in 2010. The next election, Bernie Sanders’ common-sense social safety nets were wildly popular among Democats and purple state voters – not enough to beat the entire Democratic line-up that gave their delegates to Hillary Clinton, but still very popular.

      On the debate stage, Donald Trump called out the same ridiculous Republican warmongering and perils of the USAmerican people that Bernie called out. In doing so, Trump sweeped out Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and every other preferred neo-conservative candidate – while being a billionaire rapist fraudster who owned a gold-plated apartment. Trump continued that diagonalization campaign strategy in 2024, to great success. He’s naming real issues, and rallying up support with it, because people are exactly as fed up as you presume they should be. This is why MAGA voters are so aggressive. This is what the Jan 6th insurrectionists thought they were fighting for.

      While I curse out the generation before me who allowed this country to get this way, I can’t really say what they should have done differently. It’s not like there weren’t massive anti-war protests. It’s not like the USA populace wanted to be deployed in Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Iran. Bush hid the facts. It’s not like people want these massive medical costs and unreasonable student loans… but what do we do? Changes were being teased in Congress; there was hope in the Supreme Court; presidential campaigns promised prosperity and ease, and USAmericans clung to that hope.

      So did we sleepwalk through it all? Yes – But I don’t see how people could have been persuaded differently with anything short of foresight of exactly this reality of the year 2025. Reformists aren’t going to burn down the Capitol when Congress is debating Medicare For All, even if it’s the 40th year debating this issue; even after the vote fails.

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        You touched on it; Citizens United. Change that and we’re back to a coherent timeline.

        I also think the consolidation of media outlets into massive billionaire-controlled mouthpieces of industry alongside with Cambridge Analytica opening the flood gates on social medianl propagandization were crucial, but Citizens United will always be the death of the USA for me; it just took a few years for the corpse to start really stinking up the place.

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        I think we can only make more laws and regulations against it moving forward. High school requirements on media literacy and propaganda to graduate. Also, mandatory elections after 30 days of shutdowns. Laws that no votes in a state can be counted until every able voter has cast a ballot. Term limits. Taxes higher as income increases. Assets can’t be hidden as corporate property. Billionaires taxed out of existence. We just have to prevent more shit like it happening again.

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      I’m not inclined to agree with “most”, but the idiot:not-idiot ratio in society is way higher than I’m comfortable with. It’s almost enough to make the question the wisdom of putting so many people on the road, driving their own cars.

      The part that really shook me is when I talked to enough people to figure out that stupidity isn’t always obvious. A person can speak well, be exposed to a lot of different news sources, have ample access to information, graduate from a decent school, and still be a total moron when it comes to a lot of things. Like functional illiteracy, grown adults learn how to cope and mask in ways that are shockingly good, considering they cover for huge deficits at the same time.

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    The second I saw he was running the first time, I knew it was going to be a disaster. Maybe I couldn’t appreciate just how much of a disaster it would be though

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    Mine was George Floyd. When I saw so many people stand up and say that man deserved death over a bounced check I knew they lost their damn mind.

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      Nobody deserves to die… Even if they’re… uh… charlie kirk… No I think that one’s ok.

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          My take on Charlie and similar killings is that we’re in a war, and war is never nice. I don’t believe anyone should be assassinated, but I also don’t believe we’re playing by the rules of civility when we have hundreds of people being disappeared every day by masked agents on our street; and the government is tweeting out Nazi propaganda.

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      The idea that death is an acceptable outcome from being suspected of any minor infraction underpins the conversation around basically every police killing, with every single person on the side justifying it being tacitly accepting of that premise.

      It’s lunacy.

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      A few years after 9-11 for me. I grew up watching my classmates sing songs about indiscriminately bombing people in Afghanistan, and news reports of people being beaten or killed in the US for wearing any clothing that appeared Middle-Eastern. It made me sick to my stomach.

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    Perception is reality.

    Control news, social media, and church and you can distort/gaslight reality.

    Only the better educated can sometimes see through bullshit.

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    January 6 gave the Nazis hope and basically exposed how easy it is to topple the government if they have law enforcement on their side.

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    Propaganda

    Fox news Oann Newsmax

    All propaganda channels that literally only publish lies. Fox news sued (and won) for the right to call itself a news channel yet lie their asses off without any legal problems

    I’m just amazed that nobody saw this coming since at least 2-3 decades ago

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        I know the feeling.

        O saw fox news for the first time and was like WTF, how can this be real and allowed? Then I gave it slightly more thought and you see how this is useful to make people for politicians that work against their best interests. You then see that happen, you see each next Republican presidential candidate be dumber and dumber and greedier. You see the US economy always in shambles after a Republican president, yet people keep voting for them because…

        And you see this going in a certain direction.

        This was a good 30 years ago.

        Why are there so few people like us that didn’t see this coming from miles away?

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    I understand it.

    People are paying 30% more to live now than they did before. No one cares about a person’s politics if they claim they’ll put food on your table.

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      This chart is the whole story. Unfortunately people don’t understand how the economy lags behind everything and Trumps recent actions are going to make the surge from COVID checks look like a blip.

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        It didn’t lag behind for the rich.

        It only lagged behind for the poor.

        For four years, and Biden had all the power he needed to make real change for the poor, as evidenced by the last ten months.

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          There’s no one in the party that knows how to fix any of the problems they continue to create. Like forgiving college loans, but not changing the incentives to raise college prices. They could have allowed student loans to default, anything really. No one’s suggesting real change, just hand outs and corporate marauding.

          The voting base went right along with this, “ ya forgive my loan, but leave the exploitative system for my children. “ that’s politics, fix my immediate grievances and pay no mind to the future or bad structures we build

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            Well you can forgive loans with executive orders, I don’t think you can change the system without an act of Congress. Our legislature is no longer functioning, it’s been locked in a cold civil war since at least Trump, maybe as far back as 08.

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                They agreed on bailing out the banks in 08, which is why I picked that year. Then the tea party movement pushed us into a deadlock and we’ve been there ever since.

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                  That’s true, the bank bailouts, war in Iraq, and the patriot act were all bipartisan. They will always agree on robbing you and killing you.

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          Joe Biden isn’t supposed to fix anything, Congress legislates, and the president executes the laws. Your Congress hasn’t represented you in 40 years and you expect the president to fix it in 4? That’s what trumps doing with this unitary executive king shit 🤣 Horseshoe theory strikes again

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            Yeah when the SC gives the President immunity for overstepping while he’s in office? You’re damn straight he should have done more. To quote Trae Crowder, “Do you want to be right, or do you want to win, motherfucker?”

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              That’s a fair criticism, and I share it with ya. The executive branch should have gone a lot further with the power they did have. They let appearances get in the way of justice and democracy again! I’m starting to think there’s a pattern with that behavior

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      that may explain how desperate idiots fall for the ruse the firtst time… but over and over again?

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        It’s because every time until the NEXT one they were hindered into the process by the “bad” others. So you see, it’s once again time to remove others who are preventing success.

        /s obviously

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    “those people are ignorant”

    -My conservative mother, pretending Trump didn’t work tirelessly for years enraging them, tell them to do exactly what they did, and then gleefully watch for 2 hours while they did it.

    In other words, she thinks trump had nothing to do with it, as laughable as that is.

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    Until my final breath I’ll never understand how George W. Bush wasn’t a dealbreaker for every future Republican president. And then they voted for Trump of all people.

    Like that’s it. We humans have failed evolution.

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      If you pour enough money/resources into anyone, you can get them to win an election. Trump was just the easiest one to pour money into: he’s easily swayed, even more easily bought, and has a certain… shudders charisma (?) that makes him more electable than a rando mild conservative.

      What you’re witnessing here is just capitalism. People with a lot of money and power wanted to gain even more money and power. Trump a convenient vehicle for that. So they poured money into his campaign and he won.

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        It’s a good reason to consider sortition, or a system that distributes power so that it’s super diffuse.

        An example would be abolition of SCOTUS: Instead we create a special court for each individual case, pulling nine judges at random from the Appeals districts. That way, no Supreme Court justice can be owned the way Thomas and Alito are – or one can, but they’re not likely to get on all the cases a billionaire deems important.

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    The current president is a culmination … a celebration … of the general dumbing down of the American public.

    They spent the past 50 years just generally deluding themselves to the point where stupidity, complacency and ignorance is just celebrated and rewarded.

    It’s a nation of idiots … a nation of idiots with nuclear weapons.

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    The republicans have a very robust propaganda machine. They digested and reframed it very quickly.