A society is always about 3 days of hunger away from a violent revolution. Start your clocks.

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    But it’s OK: Kristi Noem gets two $170,000,000 private jets, Trump gets a golden ballroom, a luxury airliner and billions of dollars in bribes, Argentina gets $40,000,000,000, and ICE get all the weaponry they desire plus big fat bonuses for hitting their kidnapping targets. So as you sit hungry through the holiday season, know that your tax dollars are at least giving someone a good time.

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      Let’s instead phrase it that ICE gets more budget for militarization than the entire Israeli military.

      Just let that sink in for a bit. ICE and resources allocated than the Israeli military.

      It’s the 16th most funded militarized force in the world.

      Essentially equal to Canada’s military budget.

      Shits fucked

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    Just a reminder that no one steals food in America. If you thought you saw someone shoplifting food, no you didn’t! That never happened, you imagined it, turn around and walk away, nothing to report here.

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      Republicans don’t give a fuck if they kill people by withholding healthcare, obviously they don’t give a fuck if people starve.

      Maybe that’s why they love Israel so much?

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    Not an American but if the government shutsdown and they are cancelling programs, shouldn’t you not have to pay taxes for that time period?

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      Most working people have their estimated taxes deducted from their pay before they receive it. They don’t have an option to not pay.

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        Well, that one congressional district that has their congress person being kept out should definitely not have to pay because that would be a taxation when they have no representation.

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        They don’t have an option to not pay.

        Sort of. When you start employment, you fill out a whole bunch of paperwork related to taxes and pay. Most people opt to have standard tax withholdings, but you can opt to get the full paycheck with no withholdings. It just requires you to pay a huge bill at the end of every year out of your bank account.

        If you’re smart and time it right, you can take what would be deducted and put it into a 12-month certificate. Then, when the year ends, you take that principle and pay the taxes. You just get to keep the interest.

        Most people don’t because taxes and the deductions from the paycheck change so much every year. It can be hard to figure out and a pain to have to refile the paperwork to change the deductions to see what this paycheck’s deduction should be.

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          If your income does not have withholdings you are required to make payments quarterly. If you owe above a certain amount when filing your tax returns you have to pay a penalty.

          You can write exempt on the withholding form to stop your employer from withholding, but the forms are very clear that it is only to be done if you owe no tax. Unless you earn less than $16k or whatever the standard deduction is for you, it would be unwise to not make advanced tax payments.

          You can file your forms differently to avoid paying the feds, or delaying those payments, but you do so at personal risk.

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          i used to do that, claim exempt and just pay at the end of the year. if what you end up paying is over a certain amount, they will get you for penalties and interest.

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        You can fill out a form and send it to your HR/payroll department to adjust your withholdings at anytime, and they are supposed to do so no questions asked.

        The employee not paying their income tax does not actually have an adverse impact on the employer, so they don’t care. Of course, the employee still has the legal obligation to pay; but breaking tax law is pretty inherent with tax protest.

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        Shame millions of leftists had advanced warning of Project 2025, chose to ignore it and boycott the only viable other candidate anyway, and now are living with the concenquences of that inaction.

        But they’re still only blaming Kamala and the Dem party, rather than taking a moment for self reflection as to how they willingly surrendered the country to fascism and damned marginalized groups to hell on Earth.

        Kamala was a shitty candidate, but the left who boycotted the vote owns their own inaction. It’s not Kamala’s fault everyone had a year advance warning on Project 2025 and chose to do nothing anyway.

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          Nothing we could have done would have made genocide, the MoSt lEtHaL miLiTary electable. The only thing we could have done was riot to get a candidate and policies capable of winning.

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            You’re missing the point entirely.

            Everyone agrees Kamala was shit. That’s not the point.

            The point is millions of leftists, the people who are supposed to be advocates for marginalized peoples, absolutely refused to be advocates for said marginalized peoples when the easiest possible way to do it was to show up and vote for Kamala.

            Was Kamala shit? Yes.

            Would all these marginalized people be sent to concentration camps whole the government abandons the rule of law entirely and ends democracy under Kamala?

            Obviously no.

            Yet so many millions of leftists, especially those in swing states, decided to surrender these marginalized people to the fourth Reich instead.

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              The only lesson here is not to get to the point where the only alternative to fascism are libs who would prefer fascism to socialism. We lost when we allowed the dems to run on unelectable policy.

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                My dude, that decision was made almost 250 years ago.

                We were getting to that point by primary neo-libs out of office and putting in more and more progressives. Progressives willing to end the Electoral College.

                That is entirely up in flames now. US democracy is gone. Its not “at risk”, its already fucking dead. Straight up gone and never to come back.

                Boycotting Kamala didn’t make us rise above the 2 party system, it placed us firmly in a permenant 1 party system under fascism.

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                  Nothing we could have done would have changed the outcome then. You can’t make sending the cops to kick the shit out of the activated college students who make up your ground game popular.

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      Maybe she shouldn’t have committed genocide in Gaza if having a chance of getting elected was important to her

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        Hey dipshit,

        Trump supported the genocide in Gaza too.

        The difference is Kamala wouldn’t be committing a genocide against minorities in the US too, while sending the military and her own Gestapo to US cities to crush dissent.

        Trump IS doing that, we knew over a year in advance to the election that he would do that, yet y’all refused to support the one thing that would’ve prevented that, which was Kamala, like her or not.

        Hope your hollow virtue signal of sticking it to the Dems is worth the pro-genocide option of letting Trump win and commit even more genocide, including inside the US.

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    Can any Americans explain to me, a Canadian, how it makes sense for essential services like food benefits to be suspended just because your government can’t get their shit together?

    Like, genuine question here; how is this is a good system? How does your country benefit from things being designed this way? I’m not saying we don’t ever have political deadlock in Canada, we most certainly do, but even as someone who gets half my household income from the military, I’ve never had to worry about a missed paycheck just because politicians are being stupid. We have failsafes for that. Why don’t you?

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      In a sensible country, the government would continue to spend at the levels of the previous budget in the event of a delay in negotiating the renewed budget. It makes no sense. There are no benefits. Please do what you did in 1814 again we need it.

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        We don’t even need to go burn the white house down again, he tore it down himself.

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          It wasn’t just the white house. Also congress is the one that makes the budget, and the laws that causes a delay in budget negotiations to stop payments.

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      So fun fact, the shutdowns came from a legal opinion of the AG in the 80s, and they didn’t even adhere to that decision until a decade later, except for the first time. Reagan wanted the government shutdown to force Congress hands to cut more then they wanted to.

      Then for the rest of the 80s and some 90s everybody ignored that AG decision until 1995 when Newt Gingrich (man that fuck was bad for the country) got into a fight with Clinton over spending and then all of the sudden the AG opinion mattered again.

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      Okay Mr. Canadian, I’ll try my best to explain it. The first thing you have to remember is that food stamps are a recent invention compared to the history of the country. Not that recent, but they came around just about when the boomers (for some of us, our parents. For others, grandparents) were about to be born.

      So, when the framers got together to design the Constitution, food stamps did not exist (they weren’t even an idea of the time) and they were deathly afraid of a powerful government (a mix between the circumstances leading up to the Boston tea party and the slavery question/compromise between the North and South). So, under that framing, the founders were dead set on having the power of the purse being under as many people’s representation as possible. That is why the power of the purse and the allocation, of which the allocation of food stamps would fall under, is in Article 1 (Congressional powers) of our Constitution.

      Yeah it can’t get its shit together but, at the same time, with the jackass we have now, putting the food stamps (or any allocation of the budgetary allotments) under the control of someone so petty is actually a godsend.

      I don’t know what fail safes Canada has, so I can’t speak to that. However, does our Constitution need some amendments? YES As to what those are/would be, I cannot say because the list is too long. I think one of the reasons we are having such issue now is because our political system has been so captured since Regan that half the country feels like its living with a crazy lady in the attic, and they don’t want to feed the insanity any more than necessary. Is that a bad way to keep a country going? Probably

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        I mean, the main failsafes we have in Canada are pretty simple.

        First, there is no debt calling. Once a budget is passed it remains in effect until a new budget is passed. Government departments are funded until specific actions are taken to make them not be funded.

        Second, and this is the main one; budgets are considered confidence votes. That means if you ever fail to pass one, you’re done. Hand over the keys to country, you don’t get to drive it anymore. Either the opposition forms a government if they’re united enough to do so, or we go to the polls and elect a new one.

        The first part means that during this process the basic mechanisms of state all continue to function. No one misses a paycheck. It can be annoying having to go to the polls again, maybe a few times in a row even if political deadlock is particularly bad, but ultimately its the voters who get to decide the outcome, not the politicians.

        Anyway, thanks for the detailed answer.

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      I don’t know the official reason, if such a thing even exists. My heads screwed on just wrong enough to hazard a guess:

      The empathy of inconveniencing and materially harming their constituents (or the fear of their electoral retribution) would be such a driving force that the government would seek to end any shutdown before it came to that.

      Of course, any well-meaning intent withers in the face of monsters willing to kill, and let others die, for the facade of politics they don’t even truly subscribe to.

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        any well-meaning intent withers in the face of monsters willing to kill, and let others die, for the facade of politics because their donors told them to

        FTFY

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      hahhaha, wait, Canada, gov worker, missed cheques not a thing??? Have you heard of the phoenix payroll system??

      I mean, the US is currently missing pay periods due to a conflict between their political leaders – but for us, our gov workers missed paycheques due to sheer incompetence. The people responsible for that shitshow weren’t even fired / held accountable for screwing it up. I don’t disagree that the US system has some issues, but I also don’t think we’re in that great a position to comment haha

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        But that’s not a built in feature of the political system, is it? Like, you do see the difference, right?

        Fuck ups happen everywhere. Canada has plenty of them. But what’s happening in the US is apparently just how the system is designed. Hence the question; why design it that way?

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      Like, genuine question here; how is this is a good system?

      Good question. I think to answer that you have to take into account competing ideals in hyper-capitalist American noggins about how the poor are thought of, how americans measure themselves, how we see social services as charity, and where charity “belongs” in our system of governance. Many Americans even on the left think charity should be the role on non government organizations, usually churches. We’re an overly religious country and we arent realistic about what churches do and how and why they do it. Since we hate the poor, we hate their support systems, and so we intend for them to be failure prone.

      The TLDR (in my opinion) is that (on average) American policy makers hate their poor and think being impoverished is inevitably the result of a character flaw, criminal intent, or racial inadequacy and wealth is the result of higher character and virtue. Most Americans are startled to meet a rich black man, and doubly so to meet a rich black woman.

      We also dislike the intelligencia, since at least the 70s. Unless they are in finance.

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    Good, it is completely unnecessary. It’s a bad solution to an old problem that already has much better solutions out there that are much more accessible too. They only made it so people will rely on them for everything and stop trusting others, but thankfully it failed. Canonical should be ashamed of themselves for ever trying this snap thing.

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      if there isn’t a government, why pay taxes to it?

      actually, stupid question. but what percentage of people could do a tax strike, resulting in the government having no funds or means to go after all of them. and collapsing?

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        Vast majority of working people have federal taxes automatically deducted from their checks before they even see a dime. Most people get refunds at the end of the year instead of having to pay, so it would be up to the self-employed and basically anyone who doesn’t file a simple form to start withholding their taxes.

        I guess we could talk about getting everyone to adjust their paycheck withholdings but most people live under the assumption that “everything will blow over by next year” whatever the circumstances.

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        Well they print money so not really any amount of people, but at this point you are probably better off just paying taxes to your state, because the federal government is mostly just a Mafia middleman anyways, which has become very apparent under trump. Taking people’s own tax money away from them because they don’t like him or his terrible policies.

        The reality is almost all of this money, well the part that is leftover to give back to the people, is given back to the states anyways, just with a bunch of strings and hands in it. The federal government likes this so that they can manipulate what is taught in schools and road laws and everything else. The states rely on getting their citizens money back from the federal government and so they get this defacto management by executive agencies and stuff.

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          There is the idea of taxing them 2%, chosen bellow inflation, so their wealth would still grow, it is a tax that they wont even feel. And it is ridiculously bellow what everyone else pays.

          Yet, even that, painfully compromised idea is considered ridiculous by the rich and powerful.

          Their greed knows no bounds

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        The issue is they will just write IOUs. It’s not like they can’t. They can also literally print money. So.

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    What the fuck. I know Republicans despise poor people and think they can just magically pick themselves up by their own bootstraps, but… People still need to eat! We obviously have to! Hoping no one I know is hurt in the upcoming riots and crime.

    In the meantime, please consider donating to food banks and nonprofit organizations, since apparently none of our tax dollars will go to helping those less fortunate…

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        Mostly plastic, huffed farts, and inbred bitterness. Not healthy eatin’.

        Fertilizer, however… There’s a plan.

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    Best case scenario, this gives communities the push they need to step up mutual aid efforts.

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      Some will as much as they can. This will then be used as evidence that government public support programs aren’t needed.

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        But they are, local and community support programs dont have the resources to do it on their own. So many people will go hungry.

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          It will actually break many of them. When a lot of GoFundMe are now for buying groceries, as well as credit cards being used for the same, this can’t last.

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            You’re right to say that the current trajectory is unsustainable. The idea that we are all on our own in an indifferent society will also not last if the dominoes keep falling in the way they are.

            People will step up and build something sustainable instead of continuing to empower and feed the rich in their pursuit to dominate every aspect of our lives.

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        Communities building up and connecting is exactly how this sort of propaganda dissolves.

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          I thought that solution was molotovs.

          Fuck. Now, what am I gonna do with all these —um, community activations?

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            Regardless of what means you advocate for to assist in changing society, communities need to build up for change to rest on a solid foundation.

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                I’d reckon our society is already in ashes, at least here in the US. We’ve let our country be destroyed while also allowing ourselves to be collectively trained to believe we are helpless to effect any and all change.

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      Biden is old, you see, and there was also a woman who wasn’t exactly adamant about Israel, so you have to starve now. But don’t worry, if you starve enough, something will surely happen. And if not, at least there will be a civil war, isn’t that great? You get to die in a random shootout, isn’t that wonderful? So glad we didn’t vote so this lady didn’t win.

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        True, but as for the last part -

        we didn’t vote

        We actually did. The even more depressing reality is the last three presidential elections had the highest turnout of registered voters and young voters in American history.

        What’s fucked up is that exit polling showed that most people were entirely tuned-out and saw no difference between the candidates because most people don’t watch the news or politics, most people are uninformed on basic science and reason, most people have curated social media feeds that push attention-span erosion and right-wing propaganda, and a good QUARTER of the adult population of America is functionally illiterate. Meaning studies have shown that 22% or more of adults in the US cannot read more than a couple words strung together or have to piece together sentences contextually. They can work, they can answer text messages, but are incapable of assembling paragraphs and forming complex abstractions.

        We’re fucked on a level that is hard to convey.

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          the highest turnout of registered voters and young voters in American history.

          This is one of the problems with how we’ve pushed the messages like “rock the vote”, that you should vote, no matter what, or you’re being a bad citizen.

          If you can’t be bothered to actually try to be informed, then you shouldn’t feel pressure to vote. Sure, you should be allowed to vote no matter what, but no one should be pressuring you to vote even with lack of interest.

          We should be emphasizing you should get to know the candidates up and down the ballot, not just getting your mark on a ballot.

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            The erosion of our education system and attention spans is a feature of the system, not a bug. They wanted this all along, and have been working on it for decades. There’s a reason the right has hated PBS since it came out, and it’s not just because Bert and Ernie are a same-sex couple.

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    It’s mostly going to be the elderly who suffer. People just forget about old people. They can’t get out and go stand in line at food pantries.

    Sometimes they don’t have anyone checking on them very often.

    Most don’t know how to get online and find services and such.

    If you have an elderly neighbor or family member. Try to check with them and see if they need help.