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Intentionally breaking laws sounds like something that should be prosecuted.
It will always fall on the driver of the vehicle, as it should. I don’t care how self driving your car is, it has a steering wheel, an accelerator pedal, and a brake pedal and in the driver seat YOU are responsible with how you operate your vehicle. If u decide to trust a self driving feature that’s YOUR mistake. I would love to blame all these crashes on Tesla but the reality is that all these drivers aids and self driving cars having accidents is proof that you should be the one in control of your own vehicle. No crying about how the automotive nannies didn’t stop you from crashing the vehicle your driving, take responsibility. Don’t like it? Don’t trust the “self driving” nonsense (read: glorified advanced cruise control). Now one thing I don’t agree with is advertising as self driving, and I strongly believe self driving vehicles in public roadways should be ILLEGAL!
Except the problem here is Tesla is lying about a product to encourage people to use it illegally and unsafely. At some point there’s extra deaths to blame solely on tesla’s lies.
Why do we continue to allow this company to exist and break the law?
Corruption
Money
By these powers combined…
Texas
When a self driving car breaks the law, the CEO should get the demerit points on their own licence, and if they lose their licence, the cars can’t drive anymore.
That would be funny but better yet, the entire line of cars gets the feature deleted from them and customers are reimbursed the entire value of the car plus interest in exchange for having risked their lives testing an unstable and dangerous vehicle.
bail out the idiots that bought cybertrucks?
eehhhh…
This hurts Tesla more
The second one of these cars cause a fatal collision due to wanton disregard of the law on part of the CEO, he should be held criminally liable.
Tesla drivers have the highest accident rates. There’s already thousands of civil lawsuits. They should have prosecuted him years ago.
That has already happened…like a handful of times at least.
Somebody needs to be responsible, otherwise ban self driving until someone figures it out. Impound the vehicle if need be.
What? You can’t just demand accountability from AI bros, that would destroy their whole business model.
They shouldn’t even be able to market it as self driving if they don’t insure the self driving mode itself.
How the world works by a 7 year old
CEOs like you’re talking about, they dont drive.
the only time they’ll step behind the wheel of a car is for a pleasure cruise in some multi million dollar supercar on a track, or a closed / private road.
So what? Them driving is not relevant to this at all. The idea is that the cars they sell become illegal.
Adaptive cruise control is good enough for most people and has been a proven technology for 20+ years. FSD is just downright dangerous.
I like my car’s version that’s just adaptive cruise control combined with using lidar maps of major roads to do lane-centering. I can go on a road trip and not touch the gas, break, or steering wheel for hours, but I have to drive it myself through residential neighborhoods.
This is good enough imo!
what type of car? my outback isn’t bad but it’s not quite that good, especially if there’s a stiff breeze
Cadillac CT5
They’ll even pass slow cars then get back over.
And none of that “touch the steering wheel every few min” stuff, but it uses infrared pupil trackers to make sure you’re mostly looking at the road and not sleeping.
The idea of infrared pupil trackers is terrifying.
Imagine the tracking potential for insurance companies, law enforcement, etc…
I know this is offtopic, just the first thought that comes to my mind :(
Googley eye napping.
yeah that’s definitely going to be a bit higher spec than my Wilderness lmao. The Outback will maintain lane and do centering but does not like even moderate turns, roads with questionable paint, or gusty conditions. It’s great for highway use and it definitely won’t pass other cars for me, but it will take me pretty far off the beaten path as long as I’m not trying to follow a jeep. Hell yeah, sounds like we’ve both got solid cars that fit our needs.
They finally did it. They automated crime 👍
Since it seems to be unsafe at any speed, why not.
The less time you’re at the cars mercy…
Because there are levels of unsafe and this is more unsafe
I mean, yeah. True. But to push back a little, driving at the actual speed of traffic is often safer than driving the official speed limit.
The real world and written law don’t always line up, the speed limit is one of those areas.
Certainly, especially when it comes to things like MERGING which is an arcane art to some.
He’s been real quiet lately. No more talks of release the list or the America Party. Did his K plug go on vacation?
Now trump is black bagging US citizens in broad daylight, and Musk is an immigrant who fully admitted that he originally entered the country illegally. The danger must have creeped its way through his ketamine addled brain.
Musk also has a private army of security contractors (and someone like him probably has mercenaries off killing people in other countries too)
he’s far too much trouble to go after, if you’re DHS, regardless if you’re Trump DHS or Democrat DHS. someone like that is ungovernable.
He didnt buy ihs gold plated visa?
Maybe while he was doing the DOGE thing he changed his status.
which comes with higher speeds and more frequent lane changes
Go kiss a concrete pillar, ya duds
Next will be teslas without airbags. Because why not.
Just because Elon is above the law doesn’t mean you are, even if you’re in a Tesla. Good luck.
Even if you’re just minding your business when a sleeping pilled-out middle manager from Subway corporate plows into your 98 Corolla in their Tesla at 100 mph leaving your family without a father and source of income because a billionaire nazi who’s constantly off his nut on ketamine decided rules are stupid and don’t apply to him and the entire societal structure designed to prevent this from happening has been hollowed out by incompetent bigots who absolutely rate high on the sociopath scale because nazi media has ensnared 51% of the population and now you dead.
can it be my old shitty 94 ford tempo instead i really hated that car
the cow catcher i put on front? with all those “decorative” bones and limbs in it? why yes it’s purely cosmetic and is not at all indicative of my premeditated intention to FSD through a crowd.
slips the cop a hundred, or five
“enjoy your trip, carry on”
Need jammers to confuse and break Teslas. They’re weapons designed to break laws and protect occupants at the expense of bystanders. Can’t be mad if a bystander redirects your Tesla into a ditch.
protect occupants
It doesn’t even do that. You crash a tesla and start a fire, it will glady lock you in the car.
Can’t have too many witnesses after all.
as long as it doesn’t break the other ones. not all of the safety features we’ve developed in the last quarter century are bullshit
Hmm. I think lane-assist probably makes people worse at driving. Anything that lets people pay less attention on the road does, it trains drivers to be less alert. Adaptive cruise and automatic braking are probably a net benefit but “car safety” is not trending in the right direction.
Despite all these “safety features” accidents are far more common now than 20 years ago. “Driver aids” do nothing but encourage bad behaviour, better off just PAYING ATTENTION to the 2 ton steel cage your throwing down a concrete cheese grater at 60+mph…
Do you ever return and read your posts back?
That’s a great question!
I do indeed read my posts back—how else would I proofread them? 🤖
“that breaks speed limits” can be ok.
I have seen a number of US interstates posted at 55mph, when traffic moves at 70-80mph. Being stuck at 55mph on those interstates is dangerous.
The fact that this FSD mode comes with “more frequent lane changes” means it isn’t just keeping up with traffic. It’s designed to go faster than traffic. Stop making herr Elon’s points for him.
I do aknowledge that’s always going to be the problem when we have the human + AI driver combinations.
Safest hypothetical is 100% AIs that always follow the same rules… next safest is humans that break the rules, but in a context aware situation (IE everyone going 70 in a 55, is safer than 1 car going 55 and all other cars going 70).
Real danger though is if the AI doesn’t make good judgement calls when doing so. IE rather than deciding based on how fast other cars are going, it’s primary determination is whether the user says they are in a hurry, leading it to sometimes be the one car going 55, but if the person is in a hurry it may be the only car going 70 on a road everyone else is going 55.
It’s not speed that kills. It’s acceleration. Everyone doing 70 means nobody is an obstacle. But one person doing 55 in that situation is effectively a rolling road block. Even if they’re not hit by someone else they’ll cause accidents as people change lanes to get around them.
“It’s not the speed that kills”
Yes it is. It’s the speed and the weight.
The impact force doubles from 55 to 70. That’s a spectacular difference. Driving cars is already the most dangerous thing we do and this talk about if computers make good judgment calls or not? They make better judgment calls than humans every time.
Just because people want to speed on the road doesn’t mean we need to accept the crazy idea that it’s somehow safe for them.
Yes but if everyone is doing 70 there won’t be impacts between the cars.
Speed is also not part of force. That’s acceleration times mass. Sudden stops and starts are deadly because of acceleration, not speed.
Obviously any road where people are doing 55 shouldn’t have pedestrians or cyclists.
This is complete bullshit, by someone who has a fixated idea but knows nothing.
At 70 break distance is longer, time to react is shorter, and collision speeds are higher. All factors that increase danger and damage.
You might as well claim that driving 250 is perfectly safe if everybody do it.
Obviously acceleration as in negative acceleration is greater in Collisions at higher speeds. You are either a troll or a very very illogical person.If everyone is doing 250 they won’t hit each other. But if one person is doing 125 things get a lot less safe.
The rest of it is not what I’m talking about. I am aware that all of the rest is true, but is outside of what I’m describing.
Maybe we just eliminate all transportation that can exceed walking speed. You know, for safety.
“Between cars”
Right it’s not like anyone ever has car trouble and the road is always free of obstacles and animals!
It’s exactly like the oil pipeline people. “It’s perfectly safe unless it leaks” but they always leak!! That’s just a fact of life!
“Any road where people are doing 55 shouldn’t have pedestrians on cyclists “
Lots of roads are 55 and have sidewalks.
Hell I got a perfect example. I know one road near the airport that’s 60 until about 100 yards from the school zone where it drops to 20 then picks back up. No one slows down. They blast 70 straight thru (people add 10mph to every posted sign around here because the cops “won’t pull you over for just going a little over”)
So my question to you… on that road what is the safe solution? Should cars slow down and risk a wreck that way? Blast thru the school crosswalk going 70? Or do we need to just close the school and move it away from all those important drivers in a hurry?
Go the speed limit. Safety laws are written in blood buddy. They exist because people kept dying.
Bad road design is an entirely different problem.
And I’ve got a question for you: it’s rush hour and everyone is doing 70 in a 55. How do you enforce this? Pull everyone over?
“Pull everyone over “
I love how you phrase that like it’s some ridiculous impossibility lol.
Speed cameras. Send them all a ticket.
“Bad road design is a different problem”
Yeah just like crashing is a different problem lol.
“It’s not my fault that orphanage was flammable! I just like playing with fireworks! They should build better orphanages.
Sorry for the second reply but these kinda arguments always remind me of the joke
“No street racing should be legal. It’s completely safe! Oh not if they crash but that’s street crashing not racing. I’m very against street crashing. Racing is safe tho”
And I got to know… do you wear a seatbelt when driving? Why? Just don’t crash instead, why waste time with a seatbelt?
I know a few people who have been pulled over for driving the speed limit and making it unsafe by creating a rolling road block.
Most accidents on highways are the result of lane changes, and people not going with the flow of traffic increases lane changes.
I know a guy who got arrested for looking like another guy. Laws are often crappy. Those people you know… what’s thier accident history like? Do they crash a lot? I’m guessing not. I’ve never even come close to hitting another car in all my 20+ years of driving.
Acceleration is a derivative of velocity
Which is also a vector. Speed is a scalar.
Wow look at the brain on this one everybody
The evidence is very clear that speed kills. You are spreading misinformation.
A car doing 70 will not hit another car also doing 70.
Whether they hit something else is a different situation.
But a car doing 55 in traffic doing 70 is a -15mph roadblock that will either be hit by someone else or cause an accident as people change lanes to get around it.
Unless you’re able to stop everyone from speeding it’s going to be this way.
Y’all got any of them
on/off ramps
I hear this argument a lot and I’m not disagreeing per se. But we should be clear. It can be dangerous for 1 out of 10 cars to be driving 55 instead of 75. But it would be safer by far if all 10 cars drove 55.
It can depend on your locale. I live in a country where outside of highways, posted speed limits are a joke. The cops would probably honk you if you were going the posted limit on a non highway road.
They’re at that level for a reason. The problem is that most people are ignorant or give little consideration to human life.
Thank you for explaining my country’s specific traffic situation to me.
it’s not just a matter of safety, efficiency also plummets above 55mph for very little benefit.
Solid context that I hadn’t considered. Thanks.
You’re talking about the “95 percentile” rule, right?
Remember when Elon said how self driving would make roads safer?
I do remember when musky boy said lies. Many, many lies…
So there’s finally a “New Jersey” mode.
80 on 80 or gtfo
Amen to that.
And all the innocent people that get splattered in the process will just be chimps shot into space
