Yeah let’s fucking infight constantly. Maybe that will stop fascism!
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Also leftists.
…or I won’t vote.
Also:
Not this one…
I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
I think there have been a lot of articles showing the protest votes didn’t move the needle in a way that could have impacted the outcome, but I’m prepared to be shown I’m wrong.
There’s a good chance we’re a week away from Trump sending out squads to round up anyone he deems left.
If you can’t see it I definitely can’t show you.
What you just said doesn’t follow from the point octopus_ink was making.
Why not?
Every protest voter and non voter contributed to the reality we’re currently living in.
I think you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the point.
The margin that Trump won by, was higher than the number of “Leftist protest voters”, unless you’re dishonestly counting every non-voter in the country as a Leftist protester.
I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
I said helping, not being the cause of.
It’s like you’re arguing that just because you voted Trump your vote wasn’t the deciding one so he’s not your fault.
But between the protest votes and the non voters they definitely caused Trump to be elected.
I said helping, not being the cause of.
At which point the facts backing up your anti-leftist tirade become so weak as to be meaningless. You’re ascribing a level of responsibility to Leftists that you’re quite happy to let literally everyone else in the country off the hook for, including people who actually voted Trump.
8 million more people voted for Biden in 2020 than harris in 2024. Thats way bigger than Trump’s margin of 760k. Trump didn’t even win a majority but a plurality.
I can’t tell which side you’re trying to argue there, because the results of a different election entirely aren’t particularly relevant to either…
I can see it alright. My vote 3.5 years from now doesn’t impact what Trump does next week though. How Dem leadership reacts when he does it might impact that vote though.
This feels like it should be progressives telling leftists and centrists to cast it in the fire. The leftists say they’re both the same and the centrists say we need it for the economy.
Progressive is kind of a funny label because it’s not really distinct from the other two categories, despite also occupying a sort of middle position. Ultimately most progressives are either leftists or liberals, but despite these differences they agree on a general short term political vision.
if that were true, Harris would have more of the vote.
How so?
In my opinion people who oppose human rights are not leftists so there is no distinction between liberal and leftist.
I think that’s a valid position but it’s not how the term has come to be used. Usually liberals support capitalism, leftists don’t. That’s the main distinction, at least as far as how people use the word in this space.
I think more people on this platform are using it correctly than many of us realize. I think there are many unironically anti-human-rights activists who want the USA to deteriorate further.
I also have never seen any modern system other than capitalism in practice, so by your definition leftists don’t even exist.
Huh? Are you saying it’s impossible to live in capitalism and be opposed to it?
We’re talking about what’s leftism not what’s possible. If you promote a system where more people suffer, such as forcefully dismantling capitalism, then you’re not progressive.
Most people who claim to oppose capitalism cant even describe what it is.
Maybe if the progressives are telling them to toss it into the fire but the progressives know there isn’t any fire yet because they haven’t been bothered to make it.
“You cannot negotiate with authoritarians. You cannot negotiate with fascists. They don’t stop ̶u̶n̶t̶i̶l̶ ̶e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶m̶p̶l̶i̶e̶s̶.”
FTFY.
Fascism requires an “other” to exist. When all the current “others” have been killed, they must invent a new one or perish.
The goalposts are ever shifting, and the in-group forever shrinking.
Its autocannibalism.
They also simultaneously pump the ingroup into the military meatgrinder apparatus. Fascism is how the elite attempt to achieve god status at the expense of all others. Its the antithesis of Western enlightenment values. The antithesis of egalitarian, humanist values that have existed at different times in different cultures worldwide. The accelerator of our extinction.
Autocannibalism. Well said.
I think of it as a death cult tbh
Not really, when the Nazis took control they removed all opposition. Same with the USSR and the CCP. Technically North Korea holds “elections” lmfao but there sure isn’t any competition to the dictatorship/monarchy.
When the German opposition was mostly dealt with, they came for LGBT+, disabled, Jews and Roma. They never stopped until they were occupied by foreign forces.
Ah I see what you were saying, now. I thought you were alluding to some sort of political opposition party that fascists required, but you just mean they require some kind of target of hatred to pursue.
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“come on, it’ll be easier if we work together, just slide a bit of the profit my way and ill help lull them into a false sense of security”
“How much profit?”
“1%”
“Lol, no”
“Ok, the scraps from the table then…”
"… "
“Ok, the scraps from the table that are knocked on to the floor?”
“You’ve got a deal, partner. I knew we could sort this out fairly.”
So you’re going to promote and support the DNC to remove the fascists in the midterms?
If that’s what the DNC seems like they are trying to do, sure. I voted for Kamala in 2024 too, though that was NOT a campaign run by someone trying to remove the fascists, that was one run by someone trying to get their votes.
THAT’S not a vote I’ll be making again though.
If you mean unconditionally support the DNC no matter how clearly they work against the values they claim to stand for - nah, I got decades of that already.
Look there are two possible outcomes, remove the GOP by using the DNC or get an ever increasing GOP majority.
If you’re supporting the GOP even indirectly then you’re not a leftist because left is progress and you’re effectively a conservative.
No one seems to be interested in asking what I’d want to see to vote for them, only that I’m wrong for the vote that I might or might not cast in 3.5 years time, which I find very interesting on an intellectual level.
Vote your conscience, dude. Youre more informed then most voters, in short, youre cooked. We should spend resources elsewhere and get better roi.
Sad to have to treat you like a maga.
Thanks! 🙂
Choosing beggar. You’re willing to throw so many lives away and cause irreparable damages because the DNC only aligns with you 80%? There is nothing intellectual about your proposition.
No one even knows what my half of the proposition is, but that’s alright! I’m only one vote! (which is the other thing everyone seems to be forgetting)
You told us, it’ not voting for and promoting the DNC. That automatically puts you on the side of enabling fascism. We live in a First Past the Post system, there are only 2 outcomes.
No no, we’re going to play fortnight
I’m trying to understand this meme, does it refer to classical liberals? Or is it just a euphemism for the US democrat supporters?
I’m not from the US so might be missing nuance.
Depends on the context of the OP/meme/audience.
If they are NOT a fascist then “Liberals” means the neoliberal, DNC, “white moderate” types who arguably run as counterintelligence against the left, and help the right “sow the seeds of fascism”.
If they’re a fascist “Liberals” refers to EVERYONE left of fascism, as it is used interchangeably with communist, marxist, woke; whatever they don’t like.
Given the sub, this is the first one.
TBH I always automatically assume Liberal means the definition of the word, an advocate of human rights and equality, unless the message includes a citation to a specific party or nation with a specific liberal party.
So when people are against liberals they’re actually against human rights, usually they are tankies.
There are so many meanings deployed by different groups and in different places it’s hard to understand who is the target of the term anymore.
Applies to Sweden as well. The liberal party went from proudly stating the far-right saw them as the enemy to adopting the far-right policies, implementing them, and calling it liberalism. That is stuff like prison for children, deportation for victims of crime, and still supporting and collaborating with them after it was – to very little surprise – discovered that one of their higher ups have a personal relationship to and is working with a very well known neonazi.
Really recommend the books Controlling People by Patricia Evans and The Verbally Abusive Relationship (same author). It explains fascism at a personal level so well.
Basically, they get a sense of fulfillment when they project and violate boundaries. The control is just them violating boundaries. They will keep amplifying and they will never stop because the fulfillment feeling is so good to them when they project and violate/control and they believe they are entitled to it. The ultimate amplification and control being death, of course.
Normal people show love by respecting boundaries as a celebration of who that person is. You don’t like peanuts? Ok, no peanuts, you are a peanut hater and I know, love, and respect that about you. Whereas a controlling person will hear a boundary like that and it bothers them as a separation between them and their projection, so they will do things like sneak peanuts into food or force someone to try different peanut foods. This is often seen as a power struggle, but it is really just a way for the controlling person to feel satisfied over and over again.
Wow, where was this post and this book when I first met my mother in law?
(no worries, problem solved, we don’t speak and it’s a minor miracle my partner turned out a good person).
Isn’t this meme making fun of the enlightened centre? Is that even a thing anymore? I’m a 90s kid and I thought I am a liberal. But it looks like liberals are fascists themselves now.
Not to mention that outside the US many words have a completely different (most the time more accurate) meaning. I am genuinely confused.
It’s complicated. Basically, the farthest left we have in the US are the social liberals, which is left of center on social issues (gay marriage, trans rights, feminism) but still not very left economically (at best you get milquetoast support of unions, but they still take bribes from the corporations and legislate in their favor).
SocLibs are the enlightened center, but also as far left as we go politically.
Overturning Citizens United and increasing the effective corporate tax rate has been a core DNC stance for over a decade and a half, so I disagree that they’re not left economically.
I know I’m liberal, I support human rights and equality.
The overton window is completely out of the boathouse and somewhere on the bottom of the lake. We have no solid ideological framework in the US anymore, it’s all entirely branches of capital trying to jockey for the most reward.
Yeah the term “liberal” has become a bit of a pejorative term, at least on Lemmy. The people it’s used to describe are liberal on the surface, but are still pawns to the capitalist machine, same as the right/conservatives/MAGA/alt-right.
This is actually really good. Amazing how much people could learn from reading fantasy and sci-fi. Shout out to Babylon 5. Never too late to watch that show folks.
It’s true that appeasement with authoritarians doesn’t work. But Fascists aren’t the only authoritarians around, the same goes for theocrats, but also leftists. A lot of branches of the far left are authoritarian, and they deserve the same treatment as fascists for the same reasons.
A lot of branches of the far left are authoritarian, and they deserve the same treatment as fascists for the same reasons.
Ok, I’ll agree in principle!
Apparently there’s only one way to stop them.
