I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
I think there have been a lot of articles showing the protest votes didn’t move the needle in a way that could have impacted the outcome, but I’m prepared to be shown I’m wrong.
I think you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the point.
The margin that Trump won by, was higher than the number of “Leftist protest voters”, unless you’re dishonestly counting every non-voter in the country as a Leftist protester.
I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
I said helping, not being the cause of.
It’s like you’re arguing that just because you voted Trump your vote wasn’t the deciding one so he’s not your fault.
But between the protest votes and the non voters they definitely caused Trump to be elected.
At which point the facts backing up your anti-leftist tirade become so weak as to be meaningless. You’re ascribing a level of responsibility to Leftists that you’re quite happy to let literally everyone else in the country off the hook for, including people who actually voted Trump.
8 million more people voted for Biden in 2020 than harris in 2024. Thats way bigger than Trump’s margin of 760k. Trump didn’t even win a majority but a plurality.
I’m sorry that you don’t see how the most massive decline in participants of one party, ever, from one US election to the next has anything to do with the concept of protest voters throwing the election to Trump.
I can see it alright. My vote 3.5 years from now doesn’t impact what Trump does next week though. How Dem leadership reacts when he does it might impact that vote though.
This feels like it should be progressives telling leftists and centrists to cast it in the fire. The leftists say they’re both the same and the centrists say we need it for the economy.
Progressive is kind of a funny label because it’s not really distinct from the other two categories, despite also occupying a sort of middle position. Ultimately most progressives are either leftists or liberals, but despite these differences they agree on a general short term political vision.
I think that’s a valid position but it’s not how the term has come to be used. Usually liberals support capitalism, leftists don’t. That’s the main distinction, at least as far as how people use the word in this space.
I think more people on this platform are using it correctly than many of us realize. I think there are many unironically anti-human-rights activists who want the USA to deteriorate further.
I also have never seen any modern system other than capitalism in practice, so by your definition leftists don’t even exist.
We’re talking about what’s leftism not what’s possible. If you promote a system where more people suffer, such as forcefully dismantling capitalism, then you’re not progressive.
Most people who claim to oppose capitalism cant even describe what it is.
Maybe if the progressives are telling them to toss it into the fire but the progressives know there isn’t any fire yet because they haven’t been bothered to make it.
I feel like a lot of leftists figured Harris was horrible so they might as well teach everyone a lesson and sit the vote out helping Trump ultimately win.
I think there have been a lot of articles showing the protest votes didn’t move the needle in a way that could have impacted the outcome, but I’m prepared to be shown I’m wrong.
There’s a good chance we’re a week away from Trump sending out squads to round up anyone he deems left.
If you can’t see it I definitely can’t show you.
What you just said doesn’t follow from the point octopus_ink was making.
Why not?
Every protest voter and non voter contributed to the reality we’re currently living in.
I think you’ve fundamentally misunderstood the point.
The margin that Trump won by, was higher than the number of “Leftist protest voters”, unless you’re dishonestly counting every non-voter in the country as a Leftist protester.
I said helping, not being the cause of.
It’s like you’re arguing that just because you voted Trump your vote wasn’t the deciding one so he’s not your fault.
But between the protest votes and the non voters they definitely caused Trump to be elected.
At which point the facts backing up your anti-leftist tirade become so weak as to be meaningless. You’re ascribing a level of responsibility to Leftists that you’re quite happy to let literally everyone else in the country off the hook for, including people who actually voted Trump.
Between the protest voters and non voters we’re past eighty million.
Are you claiming that twenty five percent of the potential voters are meaningless?
8 million more people voted for Biden in 2020 than harris in 2024. Thats way bigger than Trump’s margin of 760k. Trump didn’t even win a majority but a plurality.
I can’t tell which side you’re trying to argue there, because the results of a different election entirely aren’t particularly relevant to either…
I’m sorry that you don’t see how the most massive decline in participants of one party, ever, from one US election to the next has anything to do with the concept of protest voters throwing the election to Trump.
I can see it alright. My vote 3.5 years from now doesn’t impact what Trump does next week though. How Dem leadership reacts when he does it might impact that vote though.
This feels like it should be progressives telling leftists and centrists to cast it in the fire. The leftists say they’re both the same and the centrists say we need it for the economy.
Progressive is kind of a funny label because it’s not really distinct from the other two categories, despite also occupying a sort of middle position. Ultimately most progressives are either leftists or liberals, but despite these differences they agree on a general short term political vision.
In my opinion people who oppose human rights are not leftists so there is no distinction between liberal and leftist.
I think that’s a valid position but it’s not how the term has come to be used. Usually liberals support capitalism, leftists don’t. That’s the main distinction, at least as far as how people use the word in this space.
I think more people on this platform are using it correctly than many of us realize. I think there are many unironically anti-human-rights activists who want the USA to deteriorate further.
I also have never seen any modern system other than capitalism in practice, so by your definition leftists don’t even exist.
Huh? Are you saying it’s impossible to live in capitalism and be opposed to it?
We’re talking about what’s leftism not what’s possible. If you promote a system where more people suffer, such as forcefully dismantling capitalism, then you’re not progressive.
Most people who claim to oppose capitalism cant even describe what it is.
So you think capitalism is the best possible system and there’s no point in trying something better?
I don’t think you’re a leftist then.
if that were true, Harris would have more of the vote.
How so?
Maybe if the progressives are telling them to toss it into the fire but the progressives know there isn’t any fire yet because they haven’t been bothered to make it.
Pretty much