• Katana314@lemmy.world
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    3 hours ago

    Why do they keep trying to fuzz the terminology?

    Zionists and Jews are not the same thing. They have very little in common.

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    So. after WW2 Jewish people can obliterate an entire population just because they were attacked. boohoohoo What if the USA did the same thing in Vietnam, Korea, Afganistan, Iraq, etc? How is starving civilians to death is this fucking right Israel? You are making yourselves the new German Party of 1933. Netanyahu is the new Hitler. He ignores the international community, just like Hitler, kills innocents and does not admit it, just like Hitler. He kills starving children ffs. How low do you want to go Israel before you become what you’ve feared for 80 years? It’s an international disgrace. Even trump is telling you to stop now, I mean WTF dudes?

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    5 hours ago

    “Just say you hate Jews. Just tie me up and say Jews should die. Spank me and call me an evil little Jew. You know you want to.”

    “Mr Seinfeld, children are starving.”

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    6 hours ago

    Not really related but I’m having the weirdest time because I got on FB for the first time in a decade, and learned an old friend has transitioned and looks to be much happier now, so I’m excited, but their feed is FULL of zionist propaganda and it appears her entire identity is wrapped up in this now, so accepting her request would be a time bomb. Fuck, why everything gotta be this way now.

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      8 hours ago

      pedos who “date” 17-year-olds

      Stop watering down the term. Yucky? Sure. Pedophile? No.

      Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, psychiatric diagnostic criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.

      Emphasis mine. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia.

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        7 hours ago

        He’s a type A fucking creep and a pederast if you want to get technical about it.

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        7 hours ago

        A little further down:

        In popular usage, the word pedophilia is often applied to any sexual interest in children or the act of child sexual abuse, including any sexual interest in minors below the local age of consent or age of adulthood, regardless of their level of physical or mental development.

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          Yes, and due to usage, “literally” now means “figuratively”, effectively diluting the word and making it useless. Plenty of us aren’t pedophiles but rather pedants and autists who just want to see things be said correctly and clearly. By the new definition, an 18yo having sex with a 17yo would be a pedophile too, but does that really seem accurate?

          If we start exaggerating everything then soon we will be as bad as the other side that does it for literally everything as well(am I being serious or hyperbolic with my use of “literally” here? See how it’s unclear?)

          Again, tiring to have to say this, but I don’t support pedophiles. I just support clear, accurate language. Call it the horrible thing it is, but call it the right thing. Be accurate in your insults lest you just become “the boy who cried wolf”. Use the word too carelessly and it loses its deservedly negative meaning.

          Edit: For example, it would be better to call Jerry a “gross, sleazy pervert who preys on emotionally immature/vulnerable girls to take advantage of them”. You can be plenty insulting, descriptive, AND accurate. “Pervert” was already right there and definitely doesn’t have a positive meaning.

          Second Edit: also, “local age of consent” means that in some places where the age is lower, say 13/14, it’s NOT pedophilia by the new definition even if the person had delayed puberty. So some actual pedophilia wouldn’t even be pedophilia with the new definition. It’s an appeal to authority rather than science.

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            4 hours ago

            The nature of language is to change over time. Help yourself to internalize that and a lot of these things may become less stressful.

            Your attempt to use a non-inflammatory example doesn’t really work: “literally” has meant “exaggeratedly” for at least the past 200 years (likely more, it’s just been used extensively with that meaning for 200y).

            If you try to demand that language have strict meaning, it’s just not going to work. Watch:

            girls

            What’s the definition of “girl”? Do they need to be prepubescent? Pre-postpubescent? Or are you using it in the (gasp, shock) sloppy sense of “a girl or a woman”? You’ve fallen into the exact same pitfall that you were complaining about.

            The resolution isn’t to claim that all words have an absolute meaning, but to understand that human language is fluid and extraordinarily context-sensitive.

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              Cool so if anything can mean whatever we want then you’re a cantaloupe. I just redefined the word to mean people like you. I’m not wrong, language evolves!

              Yeah, we can play these stupid games, but we just become dumber in the process.

              Creep, pervert, degenerate, abuser… The words are there. We don’t need to co-opt another. All you’ll do is speed up the euphemism treadmill. Once pedophile is meaningless, you’ll have to come up with a whole new word to describe it and just start the process over again. But sure, have fun reinventing words that already exist because your vocabulary is so diminutive that you lack other coherent verbiage to describe how you feel.

              Also, don’t we deride the other side for spouting rhetoric to twist things to meet the definitions they want? So why is it ok for us to do the same? This is just the clown meme. You’re following their exact playbook while wearing a red nose and poofy hair and claiming you’re somehow different and superior.

              Nah, you’re just a bunch of gaggling morons too. Imbeciles. Mouth breathers. Mentally deficient. See how language can be fun? Look at all these insults I have available to me and not once did I resort to calling you something like a “dragon fucker” just to sound outlandish. I used accurate descriptions of your lack of mental ability and reasoning skills.

              Maybe try that?

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          How’s that moral high ground, dude? Feeling good about yourself? Calling me creepy, knowing fuck all about me.

          I replied to others what’s my issue with people diluting the term, just in case you give a shit.

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        7 hours ago

        Man didnt read the entire wikipedia or conveniently forgot that 17 is still considered a child in the US

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          Man “conveniently” referred to the psychiatric definition. Because the “sexual attraction to a person below the legal age of consent” definition is
          a) harmful to victims of actual child sexual abuse (in my opinion);
          b) geographically-dependent. In Europe the age of consent is 16, for example. According to the other posters, there are states in the US where it is lower than 18.

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          Depends on the state. 18 is age of consent in California, most movies and TV come from California, so 18 is the age everyone thinks of. So a guy can be a pedophile for wanting to have sex with 16 year olds in one state, cross state lines, and suddenly be perfectly legal.

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            It is federal law that you are a minor until you hit 18 The age of consent in each state has absolutely no bearing on if you are a minor or not.

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          30 states have an unrestricted age of consent at 16. Only 7 have it at 17 and 13 have it at 18.

          Maybe educate yourself before calling someone out with something blatantly proven wrong.

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            And in the united states by federal law a minor is anyone under the age of 18.

            The fact youre really arguing about age of consent being relevant here is super creepy.

            You sure youre not diddling a child?

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              I literally read the Wikipedia article you chastised the other person for not reading. I’m sorry if facts offend you.

              Eat shit troll. When the right does this it’s “propaganda and reprehensible” but when you do it it’s “justified by the ends”. You’re no better than them spouting bullshit to fit your narrative regardless of facts.

              Maybe reread my comments - I can Jerry Seinfeld a disgusting pervert who takes advantage of emotionally immature and vulnerable girls. Notice how I call him out for being a piece of shit and don’t lie at the same time? It’s possible.

              Learn more words you retard. Don’t be mad at others because their vocabulary is better than yours and they can express themselves more eloquently than your backwards ass.

      • SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world
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        Oh cmon you’re pulling a uhm actually moment here. Just knowing this isn’t a gotcha moment in an argument, but it makes you look like a weirdo.

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      No one knows where he lives because Americans don’t care about him, he’s so irrelevant that he’s pushing shit out because he’s trying to be in the media… he and Drumpf can be pedophiles together and fuck off!!

      FREE PALESTINE!!! 🖕🏼🖕🏼

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    “By saying ‘Free Palestine,’ you’re not admitting what you really think,” said Seinfeld, who publicly embraces his Jewish heritage and has pushed back against critics of Israel.

    “Just say you don’t like Jews,” he said in reference to the movement, before comparing its supporters to members of the KKK.

    In that spirit, Jerry, maybe you should say what YOU really think. You’re a genocide apologist. Embrace it, instead of putting words in other peoples mouths.

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      Weirdly, it is actually true that both the KKK and Hamas have bought support in their communities by doing good public works for people. It’s not what they are best known for, but I don’t think shadow organizations survive for long without building some support somehow.

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        Not really that weird? Basically every organization does this or is immediately unsuccessful. The only exception is companies under a government that’s stable enough to carry water for them.

        This doesn’t mean that the organizations are a net benefit.

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        their “shadow support” that you can’t figure out is hate. Usually hate from religion. KKK are ALL christians, and use their religion to justify their hate. Hamas are ALL muslims, and use their religion to justify their hate. Israelis are ALL jews, and use their religion to justify their hate.

        Religions openly hate each other. They all have lived under the motto: There can only be one god(s), only one of us can be right. (even though some lie about that, too). They fight religious wars that last for thousands of years, and that’s how they look at you. A pawn so small that you can’t ever fit into a 1/10th of their next thousand year plan.

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          We didn’t need two paragraphs to tell us religion has been divisive throughout history. However let’s not oversimplify. The black people terrorized by the KKK were also Christians. Fateh were also Muslims so Hamas didn’t steal their popular support just by being the right religion. Religion is a thing. Not the one and only thing going on.

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          That damn people’s front of Judea! Bunch of mindless zealots. Not like us in the Judea’s Peoples front!