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      Weirdly, it is actually true that both the KKK and Hamas have bought support in their communities by doing good public works for people. It’s not what they are best known for, but I don’t think shadow organizations survive for long without building some support somehow.

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        their “shadow support” that you can’t figure out is hate. Usually hate from religion. KKK are ALL christians, and use their religion to justify their hate. Hamas are ALL muslims, and use their religion to justify their hate. Israelis are ALL jews, and use their religion to justify their hate.

        Religions openly hate each other. They all have lived under the motto: There can only be one god(s), only one of us can be right. (even though some lie about that, too). They fight religious wars that last for thousands of years, and that’s how they look at you. A pawn so small that you can’t ever fit into a 1/10th of their next thousand year plan.

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          That damn people’s front of Judea! Bunch of mindless zealots. Not like us in the Judea’s Peoples front!

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          We didn’t need two paragraphs to tell us religion has been divisive throughout history. However let’s not oversimplify. The black people terrorized by the KKK were also Christians. Fateh were also Muslims so Hamas didn’t steal their popular support just by being the right religion. Religion is a thing. Not the one and only thing going on.

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        Not really that weird? Basically every organization does this or is immediately unsuccessful. The only exception is companies under a government that’s stable enough to carry water for them.

        This doesn’t mean that the organizations are a net benefit.

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    “By saying ‘Free Palestine,’ you’re not admitting what you really think,” said Seinfeld, who publicly embraces his Jewish heritage and has pushed back against critics of Israel.

    “Just say you don’t like Jews,” he said in reference to the movement, before comparing its supporters to members of the KKK.

    In that spirit, Jerry, maybe you should say what YOU really think. You’re a genocide apologist. Embrace it, instead of putting words in other peoples mouths.

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    Let’s see, so we have

    Free Palestine, a group that wants to stop the genocide and promote the freedom of Palestinians being murdered through no result of their own actions beyond simply existing.

    The KKK, a group who expressly want to genocide and oppress the freedom of anyone non-white for just simply existing.

    Jerry, you’re telling on yourself here a bit

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      I mean, he spent decades trying to rehabilitate his pal Kramer after he melted down and shouted the n-word at members of his audience.

      Now he’s saying he’s okay with genocide as long as the victims are brown or the wrong religion and they have real estate he’d like.

      Seems like he’s consistent.

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        The Michael Richards incident was a literal one time event, albeit a terrible one. There were zero instances before and zero instances after that suggest Richards is racist. Everything since then Michaels has done suggests he’s exceedingly remorseful over it.

        I am not excusing it in the least, but I don’t think it’s even close to fair to compare him to someone currently supporting the genocide in Palestine.

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                I’m not saying Richards was funny, I’m saying there is a difference on the baddie scale between someone who vocally and current supports genocide and someone who said something racist once twenty years ago.

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                  Nuance, man. Some people just can’t compare qualitatively and can’t understand nuance.

                  Like the stein voters who couldn’t do harm reduction and just threw their votes in the chipper.

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          You don’t really throw a racial slur “just one time”; but when you try to not use it in public, one slip up happens.

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      The KKK claims the Jews are doing a white genocide. Are you a genocide denier if you don’t believe the claims of the KKK?

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    Jerry Seinfeld has always been a pompous piece of shit. Fuck him and his unfunny horsefaced “comedy”.

    Oh, and he fucked a teenager at the height of his show. Release the files.

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      This is the truth. Once he got money, he turned into the asshole he was always wanted to be and oh, what an asshole he’s blossomed into.

      Now he’s added piece of shit who likes genocide AND is entirely brain damaged about what the KKK does and has done.

      Pretty solid work to show that you’re a piece of shit, like murder and have zero clue about the KKK all in one go.

      If this country is going up in flames, can we put the boomers on the front line? They love to talk a big game, let them live up to their own hype.

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      pedos who “date” 17-year-olds

      Stop watering down the term. Yucky? Sure. Pedophile? No.

      Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, psychiatric diagnostic criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.

      Emphasis mine. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia.

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        A little further down:

        In popular usage, the word pedophilia is often applied to any sexual interest in children or the act of child sexual abuse, including any sexual interest in minors below the local age of consent or age of adulthood, regardless of their level of physical or mental development.

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          Yes, and due to usage, “literally” now means “figuratively”, effectively diluting the word and making it useless. Plenty of us aren’t pedophiles but rather pedants and autists who just want to see things be said correctly and clearly. By the new definition, an 18yo having sex with a 17yo would be a pedophile too, but does that really seem accurate?

          If we start exaggerating everything then soon we will be as bad as the other side that does it for literally everything as well(am I being serious or hyperbolic with my use of “literally” here? See how it’s unclear?)

          Again, tiring to have to say this, but I don’t support pedophiles. I just support clear, accurate language. Call it the horrible thing it is, but call it the right thing. Be accurate in your insults lest you just become “the boy who cried wolf”. Use the word too carelessly and it loses its deservedly negative meaning.

          Edit: For example, it would be better to call Jerry a “gross, sleazy pervert who preys on emotionally immature/vulnerable girls to take advantage of them”. You can be plenty insulting, descriptive, AND accurate. “Pervert” was already right there and definitely doesn’t have a positive meaning.

          Second Edit: also, “local age of consent” means that in some places where the age is lower, say 13/14, it’s NOT pedophilia by the new definition even if the person had delayed puberty. So some actual pedophilia wouldn’t even be pedophilia with the new definition. It’s an appeal to authority rather than science.

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            The nature of language is to change over time. Help yourself to internalize that and a lot of these things may become less stressful.

            Your attempt to use a non-inflammatory example doesn’t really work: “literally” has meant “exaggeratedly” for at least the past 200 years (likely more, it’s just been used extensively with that meaning for 200y).

            If you try to demand that language have strict meaning, it’s just not going to work. Watch:

            girls

            What’s the definition of “girl”? Do they need to be prepubescent? Pre-postpubescent? Or are you using it in the (gasp, shock) sloppy sense of “a girl or a woman”? You’ve fallen into the exact same pitfall that you were complaining about.

            The resolution isn’t to claim that all words have an absolute meaning, but to understand that human language is fluid and extraordinarily context-sensitive.

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              Cool so if anything can mean whatever we want then you’re a cantaloupe. I just redefined the word to mean people like you. I’m not wrong, language evolves!

              Yeah, we can play these stupid games, but we just become dumber in the process.

              Creep, pervert, degenerate, abuser… The words are there. We don’t need to co-opt another. All you’ll do is speed up the euphemism treadmill. Once pedophile is meaningless, you’ll have to come up with a whole new word to describe it and just start the process over again. But sure, have fun reinventing words that already exist because your vocabulary is so diminutive that you lack other coherent verbiage to describe how you feel.

              Also, don’t we deride the other side for spouting rhetoric to twist things to meet the definitions they want? So why is it ok for us to do the same? This is just the clown meme. You’re following their exact playbook while wearing a red nose and poofy hair and claiming you’re somehow different and superior.

              Nah, you’re just a bunch of gaggling morons too. Imbeciles. Mouth breathers. Mentally deficient. See how language can be fun? Look at all these insults I have available to me and not once did I resort to calling you something like a “dragon fucker” just to sound outlandish. I used accurate descriptions of your lack of mental ability and reasoning skills.

              Maybe try that?

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                You didn’t address your misuse of “girl” which I pointed out. Now you’ve used “moron”, “imbecile” and “mentally deficient” all of which are (outdated) psychology diagnoses. And “mouth breather” which… the meaning is right there. Oh and “dumber” (“dumb” means “unable to speak”).

                It seems to me that you actually don’t have any problem with misusing words. Except for one specific word. Why’s that, I wonder?

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                  Outdated? You mean the euphemism treadmill took them over? Exactly like I’m warning about pedophile? Oh no, it’s exactly what I said.

                  Eat shit and die.

                  Oh, don’t worry, it’s not what you think. I redefined “eat” to mean “live” because eating is how you live. “Shit” now just refers to something long. And “die” is used ironically now to mean “prosper”. So really I said “love long and prosper”, the words just evolved is all. You shouldn’t take offense. Language evolves. It’s perfectly fine to take established words and completely change them like you said.

                  So again, eat shit and die.

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          I quoted the psychiatric definition on purpose.

          The general population has a tendency of diluting medical, mostly psychiatric, terms, either rendering them meaningless (see people describing themselves as having OCD because they are quirky) or even turning them into slurs (see various names for intellectual disabilities, like “imbecile”, “idiot” and so on).

          I have an issue with that specifically. I replied to someone else why stretching the age from “prepubescent” to “below the legal age of consent” (hell, some poster even suggested “below the legal age of majority even if the legal age of consent is lower”) bugs me.

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          How’s that moral high ground, dude? Feeling good about yourself? Calling me creepy, knowing fuck all about me.

          I replied to others what’s my issue with people diluting the term, just in case you give a shit.

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        He’s a type A fucking creep and a pederast if you want to get technical about it.

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        Man didnt read the entire wikipedia or conveniently forgot that 17 is still considered a child in the US

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          30 states have an unrestricted age of consent at 16. Only 7 have it at 17 and 13 have it at 18.

          Maybe educate yourself before calling someone out with something blatantly proven wrong.

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            And in the united states by federal law a minor is anyone under the age of 18.

            The fact youre really arguing about age of consent being relevant here is super creepy.

            You sure youre not diddling a child?

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              I literally read the Wikipedia article you chastised the other person for not reading. I’m sorry if facts offend you.

              Eat shit troll. When the right does this it’s “propaganda and reprehensible” but when you do it it’s “justified by the ends”. You’re no better than them spouting bullshit to fit your narrative regardless of facts.

              Maybe reread my comments - I can Jerry Seinfeld a disgusting pervert who takes advantage of emotionally immature and vulnerable girls. Notice how I call him out for being a piece of shit and don’t lie at the same time? It’s possible.

              Learn more words you retard. Don’t be mad at others because their vocabulary is better than yours and they can express themselves more eloquently than your backwards ass.

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          Depends on the state. 18 is age of consent in California, most movies and TV come from California, so 18 is the age everyone thinks of. So a guy can be a pedophile for wanting to have sex with 16 year olds in one state, cross state lines, and suddenly be perfectly legal.

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            It is federal law that you are a minor until you hit 18 The age of consent in each state has absolutely no bearing on if you are a minor or not.

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          Man “conveniently” referred to the psychiatric definition. Because the “sexual attraction to a person below the legal age of consent” definition is
          a) harmful to victims of actual child sexual abuse (in my opinion);
          b) geographically-dependent. In Europe the age of consent is 16, for example. According to the other posters, there are states in the US where it is lower than 18.

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        Whats the deal with girlfriends? You pick them up from school, and all they talk about is homework, and who’s going to the school dance! Don’t girlfriends know people who oppose genocide are worse then the KKK?

        actually if its not from the pedophile region, otherwise it’s just sparkling child abuse

        you and that other weirdo in this thread really need to check yourselves

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          you and that other weirdo

          Ad hominem. How refreshing. Yawns. You’ll get right along with that .blahaj.zone guy/gal/NB-person in the replies.

          actually if its not from the pedophile region, otherwise it’s just sparkling child abuse

          What is a “pedophile region”, anyway? Epstein’s Island? And what’s with that “otherwise”? Are you saying that pedophilia in “pedophile regions” is NOT child abuse? You should work on articulating your thoughts better, it’s challenging to understand what you’re trying to say.

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    “Just say you hate Jews. Just tie me up and say Jews should die. Spank me and call me an evil little Jew. You know you want to.”

    “Mr Seinfeld, children are starving.”

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    Why do they keep trying to fuzz the terminology?

    Zionists and Jews are not the same thing. They have very little in common.

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      Because they’re dishonest; unfortunately, it’s very effective in shutting down public conversations about what’s happening over there.

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    “The KKK is a little better than Free Palestine. The crisp white robes? The anonymity? They’re basically racist laundry!”

    funky slap bass

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    Oh look everyone. It’s the “airline food” guy who peaked in the 90s. He has a political opinion.