Homeopathic heroin?
Man, if homeopathy worked, those guys could have been billionaires!
It does work for some things, they just call it different stuff.
That’s cool, but it’s not homeopathy. That’s micro dosing.
For it to be homeopathy, the peanut proteins would need to be so diluted in water, that hundreds of Olympic swimming pools full of the solution would be unlikely to contain a single molecule of peanut protein. All that’s left is the water infused with 👋👋PeAnUt EnErGy👋👋.
Micro-dosing, so extreme homeopathy.
Edit, it’s actually less than microdosing:
eat the protein equivalent of one 40th of a peanut every day for two weeks
Micro-dosing, so extreme homeopathy.
No, the other way around.
In micrososing and with this peanut thing, there are actually molecules of the thing you’re taking in the solution, just very small amounts.
In homeopathy, there isn’t any. At all. Zilch. None. Squat. Bupkiss. Nada. Elvis has left the building. Who? Dave? … Dave’s not here. This parrot is no more, it has ceased to be, it is bereft of life, it rests in peace. This is an ex-parrot.
I don’t know enough to argue about it, but I do know that there are some poisons that will kill you if you smell it.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/another-damning-homeopathy-report/
Conclusion
Homeopathy is based on magical thinking. It does not have even the barest toe-hold in science or reality. In spite of this it has been extensively researched for its clinical effects. While most of this research is of poor quality, there is some reasonably high-quality research, which consistently shows that homeopathy does not work.
The extremely low prior probability combined with the negative clinical evidence is devastating to homeopathy. There is simply no rational justification for further investment in this pre-scientific and disproved notion. We do not need further research. No government should fund homeopathy, pay for homeopathic treatments, fund research, or even approve homeopathy in any official capacity. This means that homeopaths should not be licensed, and homeopathic products should not be approved.
And yet homeopathy still enjoys the support of most governments. This is largely based on a misunderstanding among the general public as to what homeopathy is, combined with lobbying by homeopaths and supporters of unscientific medicine.
Science clearly needs a stronger lobby.
If you can smell it then it isn’t homeopathy. L
Just literally read like a two sentence definition of “homeopathy” on Wikipedia or something, because you’re literally confusing it with everything.
Definitely not homeopathy.
Unless it’s the peanut’s memory that you’re absorbing, and that the less peanut that’s in the final result that you take is, the more powerful the results become.
Because that’s the stupidity of homeopathy.
GooningMicrodosing on nut
Wake me when they can eat a jar of peanut butter in one sitting like a teenager about to grow an inch overnight
Vibe heroin
They seized it for RFK Jr.
Is that legal?
Doing a little napkin math here, that’s about a half an ounce of heroin mixed into 385 gallons of water.
That seems more like the 55 gallon drums had previously been filled with heroin, but were drained and refilled with water, and just a little residue was leftover.
dihydrogen monoxide is pretty lethal
Okay, I really want to know why these guys were transporting barrels of water with 0.001% heroin in them. Was it a con? A test run? Barrel re-use? A case of cops not having heroin on hand to frame them?
I’m just baffled as to why you’d be hauling around eight barrels of water and how the trace amounts of heroin got in them.
0.001% should had been bellow the threshold of any reasonable test, otherwise all of us are carrying drugs
It was probably just infused with poppy seed oil, for cooking.
May have been a bad smuggling operation? Mix it with water, ship the water, then boil off the water leaving the heroin? Too bad doing that ruins the heroin.
That’s like 6,000 pounds of water for a few ounces of heroin. There equipment is either off by a factor of ten or more and it’s contamination or probably more likely the cop sprinkled some in.
Hence the “bad smuggling”. :)
I refuse to believe that dilution ratio is intentional. Heroin gets much cheaper once you are buying ounces. It’s just not worth it, it probably would have cost more in equipment than the heroin value itself and that’s before you factor in peoples time.
Maybe they already removed the heroin and a little bit leaked into the water. Could have been a heroin “core” inside the barrels to fool dogs.
EDIT: I mathed wrong, see comments below.
Just my 2¢ as a complete nobody who likes to think about stuff and Google some numbers, take it for what it’s worth.
Of course the numbers here are all very fuzzy, but if we take the inaccurate initial estimate of “millions” of lethal doses at face value (which you probably shouldn’t, these estimates always seem to be massively inflated,) .001% of 2 million (the smallest number you can really call “millions”) is still 2000 lethal doses. Probably several times that in actual doses since most addicts aren’t looking to outright kill themselves.
I don’t know the physics/chemistry of how heroin dissolves into water, let alone how pure the heroin involved was or any of the other factors that would play into this, so these numbers are probably gonna be way off, but 8 55gal drums of water is 440 gallons. .001% of that is .44 gallons of heroin. And I believe that would theoretically be a solid block of heroin with that volume, not a loose power where some of that volume is air.
That’s an upper bound, because that’s not how volume works when you dissolve stuff, s let’s go ahead and assume the actual amount of heroin is ¼ of that (based on nothing but a wild guess, easy math and an assumption that I’m wildly overestimating) so .11 gallons, (1.76 cups, a 2.94 inch cube, 416.395 ml)
With the amount of googling I was willing to do, I couldn’t find the density of heroin, but anhydrous morphine is apparently 1.32 g/cm³, so let’s roll with that. 1.32×416.395 = 549.6414g (a little over a pound for my fellow Americans)
Let’s go ahead and call that 500g or ½kg to make math easy and further account for me probably overestimating things earlier.
A little googling tells me the value of heroin is between $10,000-$100,000/kg, so for half of that we’re looking at $5,000-$50,000 of heroin in those drums (assuming that all of my many assumptions weren’t too far off-base)
So for that kind of money, assuming they have the means to recover the heroin at the other end (industrial freeze dryer maybe? Not sure what the best method would be,) I could definitely see it being worthwhile to have a couple mooks rent a u haul to smuggle heroin from point a to point b this way.
Also gives you a little insurance against the driver stealing any of it en route. It’s not easy to just walk off with a full barrel, and if they siphoned some off, they probably wouldn’t have the means to recover it, and even if they did it wouldn’t be much.
One of the barrels tested negative, and I kind of suspect they didn’t just put in a barrel of plain water for shits and giggles, so I have a hunch that the plan was to dilute the heroin down to below the detection threshold for whatever field test kit cops usually have, so if they got stopped they’d just say they have barrels of water, which would be weird but probably not illegal, but either they just had bad luck and the cops had a better batch of test strips than usual, or someone fucked up dividing the heroin between the barrels.
Again, take that all for what it’s worth.
Someone else here said the total amount of heroin in those barrels was less than half an ounce. That sounds like they were reusing dirty barrels for some other purpose, not transporting heroin. I have no idea why someone would move barrels of water around in a truck, but I don’t think it is illegal.
EDIT: I mathed wrong, see comments below.
I also saw that comment, all they cited was “napkin math” for that number, which is really all I’ve done here, so both of our answers should be taken with a big grain of salt.
They might know a lot more than I do and started with better numbers and used a better methodology, or they might be talking totally out of their ass and just picked a number that sounded about right to them, I can’t say. If they want to look over my math, they’re more than welcome to, that’s why I wrote it out, so that people can fact-check me, I very well might be wrong. And if they they explain their napkin math, I’ll look that over as well.
And to just do my math another way to back up the idea of it being more than a half ounce, let’s go by weight. A gallon weighs about 8lbs, x 55 × 8 = 3520lbs of water, or 1596.645kg. 1596.645 × .001 = 1.596645kg of heroin by weight. And let’s go ahead and assume I’m being overly optimistic about those weights, the purity of heroin, and all of the other science involved, and go ahead and use that cut that by 75% again like I did the first time, which gets us to about .4kg of heroin, not too far off from the .5kg I estimated the first time, and in either case significantly more than a half ounce.
EDIT: also, I just watched the video included in the article. A lot of the screenshots and such there seem to be talking about fentanyl while the article says heroin, so there seems to be some crossed wires here. Fentanyl is of course much more potent, so if the substance in the barrels was in fact fentanyl that would also be worth considering, ½oz of fentanyl would still plenty for a few dozen lethal doses, still a far cry from “millions” but it’s something else that may be worth taking into consideration.
Is it too far fetched that the cops got rich by replacing the heroin with water? Initial suspects would be happy to go along with the lie just to avoid life in jail.
These were always full of water, I promise.
Jokes aside, isn’t all tapwater just diluted heroin when you think about it?
Jokes aside, isn’t all tapwater just diluted heroin when you think about it?
If you were into homeopathy, you’d claim that diluted heroin is more potent than the stuff you buy on the street! 💁♂️
So how much of that would you have to drink to get high? Can you get high from drinking it?
Also
The case dates back to January 2024, when four men were arrested at a Motel 6 in Tigard after investigators said they were transporting a massive shipment of liquid heroin from Yakima, Washington, to the Portland area.
Officials said at the time that the men were driving a rented U-Haul truck with eight 55-gallon barrels inside and that seven of the barrels tested positive for heroin. Six men were eventually charged in connection with the case.
What the fuck were they doing driving around barrels of water?
That’s the new big gulp size at 7 eleven
If they’re a cop, just tell them it’s fentanyl, and they’ll pass out as soon as the water touches their skin
When your dealer is into homeopathy
They got the decoy shipment
To be fair, they weren’t 99.999% water until after they were blasted into the ocean by a hellfire missile.
Homeoperoin.
Told you dihydrogen monoxide was deadly.
My goodness. Well, folks, we finally did it. We convinced the people in power that dihydrogen monoxide really is deadly.
This is gonna be a stupid question but is heroin a liquid? I always assumed it was some sort of crystal
Sooo… it’s complicated.
To produce heroin you need a specific species of poppy, called oddly enough an “opium poppy”.
You gently slice the heads of the poppy to extract a milky liquid. That’s the base for a whole HOST of drugs depending on how you process it, but yes, it starts life as a liquid.
Opium sap -> Morphine -> Heroin.
Man, now I’m envisioning a whole series of black market “How It’s Made” videos.
Probably more of a suspension than just a liquid, but chemistry was never my strong suit
It’s typically sold as a powder, “cooked up” into a liquid by dissolving in water, then injected.
It has different bases it can be in, depending how its processed or how many steps its processed. Street heroin in america could be water soluble or not depending on location. Sometimes you need to add something to make it react to make it water soluble, other times its already in water soluble form. You need it to be water soluble to snort or inject it.
It kinda sounds like those drums were previously used for heroin or the cops had just kinda framed them entirely by tossing something in water drums.
