Jay Leno’s star power wasn’t enough to persuade a California legislative committee to pass a measure to allow owners of classic cars like him to be exempted from the state’s rigorous smog-check requirements.
Imagine being rich and famous and this is your political cause. What an effing creep.
A handful of people, who spend a lot of time keeping old cars running and looking good, are not the problem. Not even close. The overall pollution from a parade of old cars is negligible compared to everyone going back and forth to work every day.
Even so, why should they get a pass?
What the hell is going on in this thread? Is this the “fuck cars unless it’s a pretty old car” community?
This word, “creep”, seems to have lost all meaning. What’s creepy, specifically, about trying to run his old cars? If America has anything resembling a culture, it’s cars.
The world has gone buckwild, political division is being supported like sports teams, there’s no rational thought, it’s us vs them and everything that someone does that didn’t align with the users view point is just abused with nonsensical insults.
CA needs exemptions. These vehicles are few and far between, and getting even more rare every single year.
The emissions from these handfuls of cars is negligible in comparison to what’s stuck in traffic on the 101.
CARB in California is a joke, it requires so many parts that literally are just a piece of bent pipe to be submitted for approval to be certified. Parts which have nothing to do with emissions.
I had a car caught up in this in Colorado and had to get rid of it. Specifically, I had to remove a bunch of obsolete air pump equipment and update the fueling system with a much more modern electronically controlled system. The car was measurably better than it’s original standards but failed the visual check because it was missing the old, polluting, inefficient and unavailable parts.
If the car still meets the emissions of it’s day, put a mileage limit on it and let it go. If there are too many on the road then implement a nontransferrable lottery system to get classic plates for them. The amount of pollution these few tens of thousands of vehicles put out being used a couple of times a month is a drop in the bucket compared to everything else that continues to get a pass.
Why not start banning camp fires? What about old boats? Stationary power units? These all seem to get a pass and probably dwarf the emissions of classic cars being used occasionally.
Nothing against strict smog regulations. But it’s wildly hypocritical that the government can be all hardass about it yet can’t even manage to finish building ONE FUCKING TRAIN LINE.
But you see some tech facist said that a underground tunnels for cars is the better more futuristic way to go
And he’s not wrong.
Oh wait. Yes he is. How is ANYBODY listening to this guy?
Oh right. Money.
No he is right underground tunnels with cars are wildly better. Just because you dislike Musk doesn’t mean everything he says is wrong.
Wait what he meant actual fucking cars… What do you mean “Like in Vegas” whomst the fuck does that… It only makes sense when you connect them together as subway cars… Yes he is fucking stupid.
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie
But it has rbg lights
Wish they’d do a better job policing modern cars blowing smoke constantly from abuse that somehow pass smog checks. Stop relying solely on computer monitoring and let techs do a real inspection again.
Leno is a narcissistic asshole trying to push a law that only benefits rich collectors like himself, in that respect I’m glad it failed.
Most of the people running these cars aren’t particularly rich. They’re older, often retired, and generally have enough financial stability to have a garage and buy an old beater to fix up with cash in hand, but they’re far from rich. It’s not a cheap hobby by any means, but except for the rarest types of cars, we’re talking thousands, not millions. The elbow grease is more expensive than what you buy directly.
For an example of a cheap build, look up “Look mum no computer” on YouTube and look for the “Big Bogey” project where he restores an old Mini that’s more rust than car.
Some old guy wanting to drive old cars deserves a “What an effing creep”? That’s just sad :(
Maybe creep is the wrong word (though I wouldn’t be surprised if he was also that) but essentially saying “I should be allowed to pollute because my toys that no one else can afford are pretty” is certainly jackass-adjacent.
The problem here is that people will just register those cars in other states. So that means you still get the same smog issues without the registration revenues.
I watched a yt video of some guys in england and they bought some cheap ass old american car for super cheap. It was falling apart and had like a 6l v8 with 110 hp or some crap. They kept making fun of how because it’s a “classic” car, they can drive everywhere with that car, while their little 600cc key car can’t, because laws are fun.
There will always be these stupid loopholes. Same like you can insure a big ass truck relatively cheap, because of the cabin size and it’s a “work” truck, even tho the car never leaves the road and only transports vapes and edgy stickers.
This is sad - most of these enthusiast vehicles are well cared for and driven less than 1-2k miles a year. The people who were asking for this were looking for a legal path to register their vehicles.
They’ll still be registered, just in Montana under an LLC because they don’t have a better option.
He could just move to Mississippi or one of the other handful of states that don’t have any vehicle inspections. Hell, we have Cruisin’ The Coast coming up soon, I bet people would love to see Leno’s rides.
Not like most of his classic vehicles are meant as daily drivers anyways.
Yes, a billionaire could move to a shithole state, but why would they?
Because people can do damn near whatever the fuck they want with their classic vehicles here, and Jay Leno has many classic vehicles.
I’m pretty sure billionaires like living in a society too.
Everyone lives in a society, even in Mississippi.
Although Mississippi doesn’t have nearly as many skyscrapers or mansions as California, we actually do have good decent housing around, even for the rich that own way more vehicles than anyone but a museum deserves to have.
Contrary to popular opinion, most Mississians don’t live in mud huts or tents.
Mississippi is in the bottom 5 of nearly every state ranking. It’s just not a place anyone should want to live.
No shit, ya don’t say huh?
We got rent here ~$200 a month, water included. Can’t say that about most of the other states huh?
You think billionaires are living on a budget where $200 versus $2000 is a notable difference?
He could also move just his cars. Flying from LA to Reno can’t take more than a couple hours.
I‘m really happy to hear that this bill failed. Those old cars smell awful. Keeping them on the road is unnecessary.
Jay Leno has always sucked, and will continue to suck.
The problem is that California has a lot of these cars, and they are daily driven. The solution, which will be expensive, is to run the cars on ethanol.
At least in MN the way it works is that vehicles over a certain age can be registered as collectors vehicles and get special lifetime collectors plates. If you register a vehicle as a collectors vehicle then it doesn’t need any updated emissions or safety equipment. But at the same time it is illegal to use a collectors vehicle for daily driving. You are only permitted to drive it to/from shows/events and to take it on occasional pleasure drives. If you get caught making a grocery run with one then you get fined, the plates impounded, and you could even face jail time.
This seems to work out pretty well here. It’s pretty uncommon to see these vehicles on the road outside of big events. And it doesn’t require owners to modify their classic vehicles when many pride themselves on keeping these vehicles as stock as possible.
Edit: Also ethanol isca very bad idea for these vehicles. Firstly the seals and hoses on these vehicles are not designed for it so it destroys them, as someone else aluded to. But more importantly, these vehicles aren’t being driven regularly and ethanol is not stable to leave in the vehicles. When it ages ethanol breaks down into a varnish that covers everything and clogs the hell out of things like carburators. That is the reason that you want to use nonoxygenated gas (no ethanol added) on vehicles that aren’t driven frequently. Ethanol is the main thing that makes gas go bad. If you don’t have ethanol in there then the shelf life is extended dramatically. If you ran these vehicles on ethanol you would basically be requiring people to drain and dry every fuel carrying component whenever they wanted to store it (which should be often if you don’t want them daily driving them).
My state just restricts their use during January. You also cannot use the vehicle for any type of commercial purpose. You must also have at least one vehicle that isn’t register as a collector.
In Minnesota, we don’t have smog checks or inspections. Furthermore, the registration tax for any vehicle 10 years or older is a fixed $30 no matter what the vehicle is actually worth. So if you have a old collector car, getting collector plates for it saves you like $25 a year versus just getting normal plates for it. So it’s not uncommon at all to see collector cars running around with standard MN plates, since the added cost is minimal and you don’t have to deal with the restrictions.
Lol rich people are something else. They have the means to reduce their carbon footprint to well below zero. But what do they do with all that money? Make smog. T Swift needs to do more than just carbon offsets. Jay Leno needs to grow up and either put those cars in a Museum) or junk them. Wealthy people’s personal choices can actually impact climate change.
