A “longtime” Hertz customer says he is “done” with the car rental company after he claimed that the AI-powered damage detection system improperly flagged a nonexistent mark on the vehicle — even though video that he filmed immediately afterward appeared to back up his claim.
When angry customers sought to dispute the claim, they were unable to immediately reach a customer service rep.
“The link they send you does NOT allow you to submit a dispute. Calling customer support? Useless. They said they can’t do anything, even when I told them I have clear video evidence of the car being undamaged at the exact time the damage was claimed,” one customer said.
It could have been worse. This is a shout out to not use Hertz.
Hertz will pay $168 million to customers it falsely accused of stealing its cars
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/06/1140998674/hertz-false-accusation-stealing-cars-settlement
They also own
- Dollar
- Thrifty
- Firefly
Whoa, I didn’t see the first time around that they double downed even after losing many cases. Sounds like it was intentional.
I used to be a weekly Hertz customer and I noped right on out after this started happening.
Chargeback. Credit card companies won’t accept that BS and a chargeback is for the entire amount.
You would probably only get a partial charge back. You still got it as a rental, so that isn’t eligible for a charge back.
Oh it certainly is if he was charged for damage that didn’t occur. I’ve been on the other end of chargeback disputes defending companies. A chargeback is absolutely warranted here and he can prove it. He’ll win.
No matter how the inspection is performed, it should not be done without the customer present.
Also if the car is moved after the customer returned it, the damage could have happened while the car is moved. Or for other reasons after the customer returned the car.I don’t see how an AI scanning or even a human evaluation at a later point in time can be legally binding?
I bet this shitshow doesn’t happen in EU, because I don’t think it would be legal here without the customer present.
It might. I rented a car for one day in Belgium from. A week after I got back to the US I got a letter saying I had badly scraped the rims and was being charged $1500. I emailed them and challenged it, and they said, “oh that was a paperwork error on our part, don’t pay it.” Not sure what would have happened if they had tried to fight me.
Could even just be their policy to try that all the time (or some random % of the time) and just back down any time a customer pushes back. Which is fucked up, but they might have never actually fought you on it because it was just meant to get free money from those who wouldn’t push back and just pay it.
Every type of insurance company does that BS. Always fight it. When they push back, fight even harder.
And the less regulation, the more this shit happens and people don’t have the time or energy to fight it. Probably never happens on their corporate accounts, because then it’s retained corporate law firm vs retained corporate law firm.
But standard retail customers? Even if only 10% don’t fight back, huge profits, and the CEO can buy a bigger jet.
Reminds me of this
“Alternative revenue streams”
Maybe they can make the claim, but I doubt it is legally binding for the customer.
The difference being that just making the claim may be illegal in EU.
We have way stronger consumer protection than USA, and as you state, you received the claim in USA.
It seems that every corporation in the US has openly turned into a con that’s openly fleecing its “customers”. There are no straight transactions to be found any more.
And inevitably, this will percolate into all the other regions so that the rest of the planet’s shareholders can enjoy this new bounty.
You’ve just described capitalism
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We can’t hate on it when the market is regulated and competitive.
Of course we can.
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At least we have agencies that will watch for these kinds of scams and bad-faith practices and bring accountability to shady businesses, such as the Federal Consumer Prote- oh, wait, I’m being told that was entirely dismantled for some reason.
You mean, the Federal Anti-Business Agency? Yeah, can’t have this sort of thing.
Except of, and that’s really weird, Amazon. Known for being shady in pretty much every other respect, they are weirdly still quite customer oriented.
Their customers are the sellers, and the sellers are getting fleeced just fine.
The buyers are a product they provide to the sellers.
Not quite, they sell a lot of stuff themselves as well.
It’s mindblowing the sheer VOLUME of Amazon Basics items there are, as someone who worked in their supply chain.
Sure. But they are often copies of best selling products from third party sellers, again throwing them under the bus.
I didn’t say they were nice lol
As someone who got fucked over so hard by Amazon that I am now boycotting them and every single subsidiary for life, this is false. They have always been shit, but their customer service has become so thoroughly enshittified that if you actually have a problem, you might as well just accept whatever loss you’ve fallen for.
This isn’t an AI problem. It’s an accountability sink.
I wouldn’t bother chasing Hertz. I would send an email and issue a charge back. Then they will cal me.
Unfortunately, they will just send you to collections.
They can’t on a charge back
And I will just change my number.
Hertz keeps failing again and again with their automated systems. Only within the past few years did they finally settle with 364 customers that were falsely accused/arrested for stealing their cars.
They have an automated system for generating police reports on stolen cars, but there were many instances of customers falsely reported when they had actually called in to extend the rental, or if they had rented a car which had previously been flagged as stolen (but not corrected in their system).
https://www.npr.org/2022/12/06/1140998674/hertz-false-accusation-stealing-cars-settlement
I don’t understand the point of this. Minor scratches and dings are a cost of doing business. Driving away your customers over a nickel or dime will leave you in bankruptcy. It’s bizarre.
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I don’t know, this would probably create an actionable issue with my company.
Is that even illegal?
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Ah, if they’re pretending to be a company they legitimately do business with, definitely illegal.
The point is to make money. Specifically to make a lot of money this year and get a bonus. Bankruptcy will be a problem for the next CEO.
Hertz went bankrupt during the pandemic and came out of it 4 years ago.
There just isn’t enough real competition in car rentals. There are lots of brands, like Alamo, Enterprise, National Car Rental, Hertz, Dollar, Thrifty, Firefly, Budget, Avis, etc. But, that’s just 3 companies. Avis Budget Group ($CAR), Hertz Global ($HTZ) and Enterprise (private).
Admittedly, I’ve had great experiences with Enterprise in the US. It blows my mind how expensive it is, but I’ve never had any issues like what OP posted.
They all end up costing roughly the same in the end. Enterprise is just more honest about it.
There are some other alternatives like Turo
But what if you turned the cost of doing business an opportunity for profit? All they know is squeeze.
I rented a car in Canada a few weeks ago and it required a lengthy argument with their staff to get written proof that the car was returned without damage. I’m done with Hertz too.
Instead of going after Steam for NSFW content, payment processors need to crack down on AI customer service traps. If your company doesn’t have a meaningful way of getting a hold of an actual human and disputing a charge, your company should be shut off from the payment processor networks. After all, the process of a chargeback normally asks if you’ve first exhausted their customer service options to resolve the dispute. Companies that don’t have any meaningful customer service simply shouldn’t be eligible for Visa/Mastercard payments. The chargeback risk is just too high.
The real “win” for Hertz here is that they can outsource their “accountability” to the machine. Associates love to say “I wish I could help you, but the system does X”, “We can’t override the system”
It’s all bullshit… Hertz put the system in themselves and could include as many overrides or as much control as they please. This is a transparent, customer-hostile money grab. They KNOW that many people won’t contest these charges. They KNOW it’s an extra revenue source.
If you want to see something similar to this scumbaggery, there’s a new “vape/smoke” detector marketed towards hotels. It says RIGHT IN THEIR sales material “Unlock a new revenue stream!”
Companies aren’t doing this to make things more fair or efficient. They are doing it to siphon money out of the customer’s pocket, and they are praying you either don’t notice or just accept it.
Really disgusting and makes me wish we had some of the same consumer protections as the EU.
One of the problems is having our current “swindler in chief” at the White House is it’s emboldening companies to do this type of shenanigan. After all, if the president runs various scummy businesses, why can’t anyone else? The fish is rotting from the head down.
All the car rental companies suck but Hertz is undoubtedly the worst. They have refused to extend my rental twice, when I refused to exchange cars they were like “it’s okay, we know where you are, we can just come and get it”. They frequently have errors checking the car in after return, creating a customer service nightmare to get a receipt. The last time I returned a car I demanded a paper receipt in order to avoid this, they told me to go to the service desk. After waiting in line with all the people waiting to receive their rentals, the customer service rep told me that they “couldn’t find the car” that I literally just returned. After 30 minutes of waiting they still hadn’t figured it out so I just left. Got the receipt the next day, but I have never used Hertz again. Fuck them right to hell.
isn’t AI fantastic. Hertz could probably downsize at least 1/2 a worker or so pr location, and all it cost are 100k++ in investments and terrible customer experiences. But it’s AI!11!!
I had a rental car after I lost mine in an accident, it was a rental through hertz. They tried to charge me a late fee onto my credit card even though I returned the car on time, my insurance agent called them out on it and I didn’t have to pay.
These companies are all scams. Expedia advertised cancellations and not needing a credit card. When we tried to get the car we rented from the rental company they said we needed a credit card. Expedia refused to let us cancel or give a refund or even give us that amount in store credit.
Don’t use Expedia. Horrible service. Even if you wanna blame this on me for whatever reason, the fact that they refused to give us store credit for the money we already gave them (not even a refund) shows they won’t care about your problems either.
I had Hertz call me because I had the same name as a supposed car thief 5 states away. 😂
Well he’s certainly mobile.
The funny part is The Hertz was in Indiana I am in NY and they tracked the car to Florida. My name is so common there are 24 of us in the local medical systems in a very small city. I have to use my middle initial, and Jr to be found immediately, and I am not related at all to the other 23. I hope they called 5000 of us. 😂
Sorry to hear that John Doe.
Correction… John D. Doe Jr
