I never will understand how somebody gets into any facet of medicine (e.g. nurse, doctor, pharmacist) and find it okay to deny anybody healthcare solely based on how the person lives. Like dude, there are better ways to make money and be a bigot at the same time. Insurance CEO comes to mind. Cannon fodder as well.
Because nursing school will shove you through even if you should fail and it’s an affordable 2 year degree that pays. And that’s how I ended up explaining what the P in HIPAA stands for and how to operate a mask. White trash nurses are a meme.
My first college was a technical college that also trained nurses. If there’s one thing I learned it’s that nurses have nasty hygiene habits. Hopefully that gets washed out (pun intended) in the field; eventually.
I’m in a med lab program and they talk so much shit about nurses in our lectures (no offence). They even hire actors and we do conflict resolution exercises like phoning an exhausted nurse to let her know her third draw just got rejected and they need another sample or order of draw problems ect…
In practice you figure out which nurses are what kind of idiot and cling to the ones who are competent. The upside to the dumb ones is they never figure out why the new girl and the woman looking at retirement get more hours and are specifically called so often.
Don’t they have a lot of male nurses where you are? Maybe because it’s Seattle and a big town, but my parents in a smallish town had them too.
I’m in Toronto and just wrapping up my program so I can’t really comment on that but I personally know a few male and female nurses.
…HIPAA has one P.
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Same answer to both; cowardly traditionalist afraid to speak their minds.
From traditional/conservative families which value the status of being a doctor, not the “helping patients” part. Prejudiced.
This.
There are so, so many doctors who ended up in the profession merely for the prestige.
Doctors aren’t smarter than everyone else, they just had the resources to be able to study for more years.
The absolute gall they have to call it a “lifestyle” like people choose to live that way one day
It’s not a fucking lifestyle, LGBTQ+ people just are and they exist
They don’t choose to suddenly be that way one day, they have been that way their entire life and discover that about themselves
"Ah, but they choose to act on it! You see, my old preacher struggled with gay thoughts all the time because of Satan. He told us so nearly every Sunday. But did he act on them? No! He was straight, just as god intended.
So those people having gay thoughts are CHOOSING to be gay when they could pray and get a wife and have children like the lord said."
-Some dipshit I know
No this is literally it though. They think being gay is a choice because they’re repressed, and constantly feel tempted. They assume everyone feels that, and only gay people give in.
This. When I was a kid, I thought every man in the world had this envy of womanhood and that was the reason women were oversexualized in media, because men wished they looked like that.
That it was just quietly accepted.
Heck in Who Framed Roger Rabbit I thought the line “You don’t know how hard it is being a man, looking at a woman, looking the way you do.” Was a direct reference to the natural Venus Envy of the male gender.
Nope just my trans ass misinterpreting an erection joke because its the 90s and families and media both aren’t allowed to talk about gender with any nuance yet.
The various “Girl Power! Women can do anything!” Tropes were also something young me misinterpreted as “Venus Envy” being the natural state of society. Like women knew they were “superior” and were flaunting it to be mean.
Sexism against women? Young me doesn’t know what that is or why fighting it is important. Believed in sexism against men though… I was so dumb and confused.
Oh, I’m well aware. Not once have I ever been tempted to tickle a pickle that wasn’t my own. I’ve never struggled with homosexual thoughts. If I had I can almost promise I’d be face down in a whole pile of dicks right now.
I was quoting, as accurately as I could, a dipshit I know. I haven’t seen him since high school, right after I left the church, but this always stuck with me. I knew that pastor as well. That guy talked all the time about how Satan was going to make everyone gay and how he was tempted so he understood what the youth was going through. I remember being 14 and wondering when I’d get secret gay thoughts because of this dude. Apparently I was so steeped in sin that Satan didn’t feel the need to make me want to gobble cocks as well.
It’s a damn shame because I think I would have made an excellent gay guy.
I have said for a long time that the number of bisexual people must be huge. All of these right-wingers seem to be equally attracted to men and women, so they’re obviously bi and choosing to ignore part of their own sexuality.
As I said to my parents when they said something similar:
Not everyone is a 0 or 6 on the Kinsey scale. Plenty of people have some amount of choice. But not everyone is a 3, either. Most people have a preference. And some people are a 0 or 6. Just because one person with “gay temptations” successfully lived as a heterosexual doesn’t mean everyone can. The world is more complicated than that.
Here’s the thing, whether or not it’s a “lifestyle” shouldn’t even enter into the equation. Healthcare workers are supposed to treat everyone the same, regardless of what the patient has done or how they live. If you can’t deal with that, don’t go into healthcare.
Well, it’s a bit of both. The ostracized nature of ‘different’ people has spawned several sub-cultures that most ‘different’ people fall in to to some degree or another.
Not that anything is wrong with either being different or living differently. Hegemonic monocultures are so… fucking… BORING.
Not suddenly, but gradually
Very much not true for all. Some realise things over time, but most were born like they are. Some also do choose things, but it’s a very small percentage and that in no way makes it any less important to accept and support.
I’ve even seen it flipped around by the people who invented the term in the first place. “They call it a lifestyle, but that’s a euphemism for gross behavior”. Well, not those exact words. “Euphemism” has too many syllables for their education level.
“I refuse to treat left handed people. It’s a lifestyle I don’t agree with.”
This was or maybe even still is a thing. My grandpa was forced to wear a sock on his left hand when learning to write as a child. He would be hit if he didn’t.
Back then he would be hit either way I wish I could go back to being a kid and approach adults discipling me with my current knowledge.
I’d ask for beatings and pretend to get pleasure from them. I bet suddenly you get no more beatings.
Stupid sexy Flanders…
“Is this career path okay with discrimination? Because I have groups I want to die.”
It is important to consider both sides on any issue. Thank you for keeping things Fair and Balanced.
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I don’t trust anything about this… meme? I don’t know what we call context-less clips of other people’s comments that get circulated.
Whatever it is, it is trying to sound positive but it’s implying some false narratives. It’s implying that this is a common or new issue that professors are always dealing with, that there’s some common wave of pushback against treating LGBTQ patients. If you’re studying to be a doctor or healthcare professional, most likely you already don’t give half a fuck about someone’s gender identity or sexuality unless it impacts their treatment. (Yes there are some bigoted healthcare professionals out there, but they’re not the norm.)
The narrative here is making it seem like poor, naive students are now suddenly worried about how they’re going to deal with all these trans and gay people flooding the healthcare industry.
If it’s not subtly trying to introduce a false narrative like this, it’s serving that purpose all the same and should be buried and not circulated any further.
Medical malpractice is a huge issue for LGBT people - especially trans people who require specific care and are therefore much easier to spot. It’s honestly a big issue in the sciences in general, and it’s definitely not a new issue, but more likely against specific groups. Women are much more likely to have to be their own advocates to get proper care, often being denied pain medication, told that they’re just making up their symptoms, or having their agency denied or choice of treatment being deferred to their husbands (generally when it comes to things that might affect sex, such as surgeries to constrict the vagina after giving birth or having their uterus removed due to medical issues).
And it’s not just that trans people often have to understand HRT at a doctorate level in order to fight for their right to the proper care and treatment that they deserve. I have read plenty of stories of trans people being denied care by bigoted healthcare workers - even a case of a woman in New York who only found out she had an aggressive form of cancer after the technician who diagnosed her tests called her to ask her how her chemo was going. Her doctor simply never told her the diagnosis and the only reason that she’s still alive is because of that technician who made sure that she got proper treatment after the shock of hearing that she didn’t even know that she had cancer.
Bias affects medicine all the way up the chain, from how nurses treat you to what gets taught in schools and even what fields get research funding. I taught my therapist pretty much everything he knows about transgender people, for example - because he’s older and they didn’t teach about trans people. And I have no qualifications in the field other than being trans and therefore having to teach myself to ensure I get proper care. Many doctors don’t know about trans specific medical care despite HRT starting to be researched in the 1920s in Germany (and only reappearing at the end of the 20th century after the Nazis burnt all the research). The medical field is taught based on the white body of a specific weight, which leaves out the differences in care that black people and people above or below that weight require. We only really started looking into what exactly female ejaculate is in the past 30 years or so. AIDS research was denied funding by the US government for at least a year while roughly 120 Americans died of AIDS every day, during which time all bottled medication was pulled from stores and the safety seal was developed and implemented over the course of 3 months because somebody poisoned a couple of bottles of Advil with cyanide.
It’s not a new issue, but it’s become more prevalent in recent years as people like the student above have become emboldened by recent events - like the rulings that say that doctors don’t have to treat certain people if it would “violate their religious beliefs.”
What I always find funny about this is, back when I used to do IT, if I refused to do something for someone who had bible verses on their office wall or a cross necklace I would be the one fired.
I mean, this is correct. You take the oath, you have to live up to it. You will be treating people you don’t agree with, and you have to square up with that, or your rep will take a dive.
Oaths are not magic spells. Mengele and ishi were both md’s.
To be fair their reps did take a dive.
Ishi was head of the med school at tokyo university after.
And Mengele’s skeleton is a teaching tool at the University of São Paulo, cause it’s the most ironic thing they came up with.
Somebody at the university must’ve been a john deere fanboy.
A friend of mine is a devout Muslim from a very conservative family and a doctor: he believes that his faith has no place in his job and therefore treats all his patients equally.
I think fundamentalists of all religions should take a leaf out of his book.
Please give him my gratitude for his level of professionalism. I mean it. We need more people like your doctor friend in the world today.
His faith demands he treat all patients equally:
“whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity” Qur’an 5:32
Nor can he impose his beliefs on others:
“Let there be no compulsion in religion” Qur’an 2:256
This would never fly in today’s era. Nor should it.
But about two decades ago I dated a gastroenterologist… I think she had around 13 years of schooling.
Anyways, her first day of med school, they made the entire class watch gay porn. Like vicious, graphic, excessively graphic gay porn.
With of course the professor saying if this makes you uncomfortable, you’d best find a new track. Because you ain’t going to make it, this is going to be your life: assholes, boils, pus, cancer, shit, piss, if you’re going to be a gastroenterologist you’re going to have your head up people’s asses your whole career…
Etc
This would never fly in today’s era. Nor should it.
I believe we already have individual states that allow health care providers to refuse care based on their religious beliefs.
So unfortunately, it seems to be flying alright.
Wonder if there were any jars involved…that would be a pretty unfortunate situation.
i dont know who or what to blame but some healthcare professionals are among the most cruel members of society
Some think they know biology sooo well, and that LGBTs are anomalies not worthy of life
Hospital worker here. No amount of education can undo the dogma of right wing extremism. You wouldn’t think hateful bigots would be counted among nurses, doctors, etc since they literally spent years studying exactly why they should know better.
But then Fox or some preacher starts hating on trans folks and suddenly their medical knowledge about the community is just straight into the dumpster.
They need to be fired.
That line of thinking also breaks down once you consider that life itself is the OG anomaly, and that the evolution of complex life was fueled by a never ending torrent of anomalies.
Because of their religious beliefs. Someday as a nation we need to reconcile religious freedom with freedom from other peoples religious ideas. We generally just give religious people whatever they want, presumably to shut them up and make them go away-- but that doesnt work.
Damn straight. Same thing for pharmacists or any other health official.
If medical professionals are punished for refusing to treat patients because of race, then the same goes for refusing to treat someone for “having different lifestyle”.
Doctors and nurses see and take care of a lot of disgusting people, or people in disgusting states in all walks of the life. Them being LGBT should be the last hill for them to die on. Only shows how sheltered they have lived.
I have doctors/technicians in the family.
And… WTF.
Do the students know the horrific, gruesome, batshit crazy stuff doctors have to witness and deal with? Not just like objects stuck in orifices, but mentally ill and abusive patients, deathly contagious ones, slow motion tragedy, stuff oozing out of the body you wouldn’t believe. Criminal patients, criminal bosses and companies, drama with staff, corporate drama, other fucked up or abusive doctors, drug abuse (from the staff), plenty of sex scandals…
…And their thought is: “Patients that want to rub their genitals on the same sex? Eww. I refuse to deal with that, even professionally.”
Wut?
Let’s play devil’s advocate and say the bigotry is somehow justified (when it’s not). Still, how does that even work? Like, an anti-vaxx nurse I know makes at least some sense, by comparison.
Apparently in Tennessee it is now legal for doctors there to simply not treat people they don’t agree with their “lifestyle”.
Couldn’t pay me enough to live in a red state. Might as well move to a third world country for how backwards they all are.
“Woah this guys a millionaire you say? I’m afraid I cant operate on this man due to his choice to be wealthy.”
I’m in a red state. All we do is look at the blue states and weekly Whisper “help us”
It is sad that this is apparently considered to be impressive or even noteworthy.
It immediately makes my “Manipulation Sense” tingle. They are making it sound like this is a common or reasonable question from their students. Or that this is some kind of new issue that doctors are dealing with.
So either there really is a new wave of young up-and-coming health professionals who are absolute dogshit morons for even asking this kind of question, or this is being circulated by someone deliberately trying to stir up shit, I just can’t figure out which direction they’re stirring. (Hint: it doesn’t have to have a direction, misinformation and public discourse sabotage consists of just amplifying all the wildest and most extreme takes on both sides of any issue to keep people from wanting to get involved or trust anything at all.)
I actually think you’re right
I feel like there are a surprisingly large percentage of the population that just take most things at face value. It takes something painfully overt for someone to notice, and it’s usually only spotted on something trivial, like fifty thousand five star raving reviews for a beer coozie on amazon.
Astroturfing is real, and if you don’t think that a government would do it… Wow you have a lot of history to catch up on.
Excellent. And they can take the pharmacists who have “personal or religious beliefs” and get rid of them too. No one should need to ask some other citizen’s personal permission for a service I contracted with my own doctor and medical company.
There are even some drug store cashiers that will refuse to sell condoms. Americans need to learn that if it doesnt affect you personally, its not their place to pretend they are a stakeholder in anyone else’s life. Stay in your effing lane, American healthcare workers. No one cares what you dont like or what your personal sky-fairy tells you. Last I heard “freedom of religion” was actually more “freedom from the tyranny of religion” when it was implemented by the nations founders.
While they are at it, Americans should stay out of other peoples bedrooms too. If they arent part of the situation, they don’t get a vote. As long as its consensual between two adult humans, its no one elses business what they do in there. <eagle cry of freedom right here>
