Better not try then…
The Democrats used to be the racist pro slavery party. Then it got captured and turned into Roosevelts New Deal Democrats, which were obviously to the left of the Republicans. Not perfect, but they really did a lot of good.
This can be repeated, but it takes a lot of work.
Honestly, the worst of it all started with Clinton. He was the first of the corpo Democrats, and was a response to 12 year of Reagan and Bush telling the world that Greed was good.
The 60s and 70s were full of Democrats who were on the side of the people, and not the corporations.
Sadly we need to rebuild the community driven fundraising that Democrats used to rely on, while also weaning off the corporate teat.
The Republican party was a party of radical abolitionists and it was captured by the capitalists. The Democratic party can likewise be changed to something it is not currently.
You can’t convince me of what may be by talking about what is.
…you didn’t say fascist…
Maybe you’re not ready to hear this: Both sides are not the same.
I checked my calculator, and according to this “capitalist + imperialist = fascist”. Imagine that.
Not saying capitalism is the best form, but which economic form is better given human greed and tendency for corruption?
We’re not doing capitalism in the US anyway. You can argue it’s state capitalism, but personally I don’t see it. I’d say we’re deep into full on monopolies and oligarchy. If you have enough money and you buy out it otherwise lock out competing business and create vertical integration, the government will subsidize your business, especially your payroll, and if you go bankrupt they will reward you with no taxes for life, or bail out money that you can 90% give yourself personally as a yearly bonus. None of that is capitalism, it doesn’t fit that model. We’re also letting corporations call themselves individuals with rights, which is absurd, and it’s the argument for letting business openly bribe and sponsor politicians, on top of making it also legal to directly pay politicians to vote specific ways, as long as you pay them after the vote happens and not before. None of this fits the capitalist model. Monopolies are supposed to be illegal in capitalist models because it’s known to break the model. Regulations are supposed to stop individual businesses from owning their own supply chain, distribution system, raw materials, manufacturing, all in one company. Because, again, it was always known this would break the model. We aren’t capitalist. We’re in an oligarchy. Might make rights, money is in charge, and there are only rules for the not owner class.
I gladly note, that maker of this propaganda meme is fuckin stupid xD
We need to get involved at the primary level, not lament the choices we are left with when primary election turnout is hilariously low. I’d be surprised if the average voter even knows what a primary election is.
It’s not the democratic party, it’s the US itself that is rotten. The dem are just another manifestation of the issue.
There’s no way to win political power in the United States without the Democratic Party or the Republican Party.
Socialists and progressives will always have an easier time infiltrating the neoliberal Democratic Party over the fascist Republican Party.
The longer the fascists are in power the harder it will be remove them from power because they will change the rules to maintain power.
The optimal strategy remains to vote for neoliberals when the alternative is fascists because that is how to create time for socialists and progressives to primary neoliberals in the Democratic Party and win general elections.
This meme is a continuation of the accelerationism we saw during the 2024 election. It supports the fascist cause by attempting to sabotage leftist’s best strategy and thus is pro-fascist. The user is prone to self-sabotage as they publicly admitted to not voting for Harris in 2024.
If a fascist drinks at your bar and you don’t throw them out it’s a fascist bar. If a fascist meme ends up in your community and you don’t throw it your a fascist community.
I am reporting this meme. And you all should too. I’m sick of self-described leftists backstabing me and every other minority group they pretend to care about because they’re mad about the 2016 election. I’m a trans, atheist, Jew. I’m close enough to the death camps for my liking thanks. You don’t have to like the Democrats, I don’t, but we do need to vote for them.
I refuse to go quietly. I refuse to tolerate memes that shrug at my right to exist and throw fuel to the fire in the hopes that the fascists kill everyone faster. That’s not a real political position. It’s black pilled bullshit and it can fuck off.
Hope that helps people stop tolerating this bullshit going forward.
Thank you for putting that out there. I still cannot see making any other choice when it came time to vote. The too-close death camps you refer to were a very predictable consequence of this administration. I’m just a straight white guy but I really prefer to not add death camps to the world, or to disappear peaceful productive people from their communities, or to significantly harm the lives of millions of young, old, poor, or disabled people. That includes the ones starving overseas because of recent changes.
“But genocide!” we expect to hear in response. And if any dear readers are already thinking that, I want you to take this one fact away from my comment:
The deeply flawed US voting system — the one which forces the two party system on us — is damned near impossible to change via normal legislation and votes.
It’s THE thing. It is that mechanism that lets the red/blue capitalist american machine continue to vacuum up the vast majority of american votes. Go look up just how much agreement there has to be to amend the constitution. And we’re going to ask the people already in charge to get together and agree to kneecap their future political power. You see the issue.
Sure, the media is complicit and most voters are ignorant of the fact that there are better systems in place around the world. It’s true that a lot can be done outside of elected positions. But when it comes to the actual voting ballot, since the system self-corrects (in a bad way) for significant third parties, the expected consequences of each choice were something like:
- Status quo, including any US resources being used for genocide and other shit.
- Genocide Max plan, with 4 free years of Death Camp Prime
- Flip a coin between 1 & 2 above (stay home or vote for a third party hoping it will get them recognition and funding)
- Revolution and replace the system, like right now!
And I want to add a caveat that I’m not trying to blame the people who chose #3 above. Before the election I would disagree with that choice, but now in retrospect we know those people weren’t the reason Trump and Republicans won. I guess it remains to be seen how much of it was the genuine love for Trump the maniacs in this place have, and how much of it was election rigging and cheating BS.
Harris wanted to end the war. So option 1 is better than your argument has advertised. Harris was a huge improvement over Biden in that regard. But I digress.
Every vote counts. The tighter the margins the better. We need the Democrats to do better, as in run better candidates, in order to win, but if they ever do that, there better be a leftist voting block who helped them get into office. Otherwise the Democrats will not feel safe enough to shift left.
Leftists need to be voting in record numbers to shift the Democratic Party to the left. Part of the way we do that is to vote for Democrats consistently. This should be a mechanical choice of who to vote for in the general. It’s hard to do that when posts disparaging fixing the Democratic Party as impossible or so hard it’s not worth trying are going unchallenged on the internet, including Lemmy.
Fixing the Democratic Party and this country will take time and a lot of work. Part of that work involves voting for Democrats.
This should be a mechanical choice of who to vote for in the general.
This is a very easy point for others to attack, but I want to reiterate its importance and how it relates to what I already said.
GIVEN all the stuff I explained about how the nigh-impossible-to-change voting system enforces the two-party system especially at the federal level, the reasonable pragmatic conclusion is that you always vote blue in the general because it is the only way to vote against the actual far right nazi party, and you work to get progressives elected to local offices and in national Democratic primaries.
This is a right-wing troll talking point. Don’t listen to it.
Go to the Democratic primaries and move the party left. And then, no matter who gets the nomination, vote Dem in the general election. This is exactly what the nazis did to move the GOP to the right and it worked great for them, and it’s something we can emulate.
Yeah, not listening to this defeatist garbage. The Democratic party has been changed before. It will be changed again. The party is not defined by some monolithic ideology. We need massive electoral reform in the US to ensure elections are actually fair. First past the post is problematic. House and Senate functions are problematic. We need a solution to the two party problem, but until then, our vehicle is the Democratic party. Best to make it do what we want it to rather than just give up because “they’re corporatists”.
Yeah, not listening to this defeatist garbage.
Defeatism is thinking the only option you have is playing by the rules the bourgeoisie instated, not “stop believing in a corrupt party”
no matter who gets the nomination, vote Dem in the general election
Its never worked before, but lets just try that again.
This is a right-wing troll talking point. Don’t listen to it. This is a far left anarchist talking point
Not true. It can be reformed the same way the republican party was deformed. By gutting it from the inside out and replacing all the dead weight.
the dead weight is… most of it though. A lot of people just joined because it was the only alternative to republicans. And now its pretty much dead.
Forward party checking in.
Can there be another Whigs party
So let me guess. The solution is to vote for a 3rd party that has absolutely no presence in our federal government at all, hoping that magically one of their reps can become president and save the country, despite having absolutely no support within the federal government, at all? And we’ll just all agree to pretend like they won’t become susceptible to corporate interests as well so they can actually accrue enough money to start winning elections.
Ok, so enough of that stupid bullshit. Let’s hop on back to reality.
In reality, we have to vote Democrat for the time being because WE JUST FOUND OUT WHAT FUCKING HAPPENS IF WE DON’T. Meanwhile, we hope that a 3rd party can get off its fucking ass and start winning local/state elections so they can start getting MORE THAN ZERO representatives in the House and Senate, so that someday they can actually have a real shot at running a candidate for president.
This meme is grade school level dogshit. It only serves to split the vote more on 3rd party candidates that can’t win and ensure Republican control of our government for even longer. We don’t live in fantasy land. 3rd parties can’t recite magical incantations and gain control of our federal government. There’s a really fucking long process for a road to the presidency for a 3rd party, and in the meantime, we fucking vote Democrat because HAVE WE FUCKING LEARNED NOTHING?
WE JUST FOUND OUT WHAT FUCKING HAPPENS IF WE DON’T.
No, you just found out what happens when your only choices are either nazis or capitalistic corrupt “let’s debate nazis” centrists
No, at the moment, we have to vote defensively. But we had to vote defensively in 2000 and couldn’t and it got us here.
And to be fair there’s a trillion-dollar far-right propaganda machine that sucks up the majority of viewership. So yes, in fact, a lot of influence is assuring we’ve learned nothing and will continue to do so until our own necks are in the mire.
It may be too late now. But it may have been too late in 2016. It may have been too late in 2000.
Fascist autocratic dissolution of the society is not the only great filter we are facing. An overwhelming amount of work must me done to reverse the FUBAR, and the people are not yet ready for it. Nor are they ready for the horrors of war, famine and pestilence (transmissible diseases like measles), all whose hounds have vaulted their slips.
This is GOP propaganda
Absolutely.
