A German three letter agency had a similar ad. They were looking for someone who was proficient in encryption, hacking, protocols on Windows, Mac and Linux, and a few other things in that area. Experienced both in programming and leadership. And as a cherry on the top, this person would have to have knowledge about all the legal aspects of all of this, too.
All for a midrange bureaucrat salary. A security expert commented on this something like “if i had someone with that kind of skill set and experience, I would hire him out for a daily fee about as high as their offered monthly salary.”
Many years ago I got offered 20% over minimum wage to manage, among other things, all email servers of a large banking association representing >90% of a national market.
It was less than what a Tesco cashier was making in the area.
When I was a student, I already had my Novell admin certificate, so it got some jobs on the side. Someone pointed me to a law firm where the owner wanted their PCs networked. We met, he showed me the list of hardware he wanted to buy - everything top notch, big server, new PCs with all bells, whistles and gongs back then, 19in rack for all the necessities, etc. That list was an offer from an expensive office outfitter he knew.
He “just” needed someone to install the stuff. I could easily have done that, but all he offered was a kind of internship. Oh what I could learn from working with top of the pop equipment! I told him I was here because it already knew everything that was needed. He then offered me that I could take the old PCs as “compensation”.
I left, and warned others not to waste time with that idiot.
And people still get mad when we give honest feedback about compensation.
Shout-out to the recruiter who tried to convince me to take a 60k paycut because nobody will pay my current rate ( the one I was already being paid ). I strive to reach your level of audacity one day.
Wait this is just my current job but with double the pay…
fuck I gotta get a new job
Yeah, you need a new job. This is also my current job for not enough pay. You’re getting shafted.
With that being said, this isn’t really 3 jobs like the post implies. If you’ve worked with data integrations before, you know how SQL, APIs and cloud solutions interact.
Shhh don’t let hr know, or your manager
same here, ouch
Sammmmmme
Same
Am I crazy that those sound reasonable IT manager level things? If company size is 100-200 endpoints, the IT manager should understand all of these, if he/she doesn’t, I would not want to work at that IT team
It manager level for entry level pay
Have you seen pay these days? Where are you getting 110k entry level?
If it’s an onsite position, it depends on living costs.
Some people are claiming 3k for rent is the minimum in the area. Just north of Beverly Hills.
That’s half the salary, just for a studio apartment. Then there’s another chunk for taxes and they’re left with 1-2k for general expenses and living life.
Salaries isn’t a simple thing you can move from one area to another
That’s when you live in a van down by the river instead
I guess where I work, if you’re on carpet you’re 80-110k salary for jobs like purchasing, inventory etc not engineers or supoort. if you work in shipping or manufacturing you’re around 65-85k depending on experience
Must be nice
California has a minimum wage for software employees to be salaried and not pay them overtime (salaried exempt). It’s about $123k. I’ve never seen an entry level position that didn’t expect overtime, so $110k is actually low unless it’s a part time internship.
Also leaving that link there for anyone who might have just discovered their employer is doing wage theft and owes them a lot of money.
Ok anywhere with a cost of living that isn’t California
The pay scale people have become accustomed to is absurd.
I’ve worked at places with <50 people where the 2 IT people had “manager” titles, but they were just “the IT people” in practice - one handled user stuff, the other was focused on the client-facing infrastructure.
Our lone HR person was also the “HR manager”, we had a single “accounting manager”, and a couple more like that. Some departments ended up expanding and the “managers” did end up with direct reports, but that’s kinda just how small businesses work, this posting sounds a lot like that.
110k usd is entry level pay? I hate america so much its unreal.
“Manager” in this context generally doesn’t mean someone who has people reporting to them, it means someone who manages the IT. It can absolutely be an early-career role. See also: equipment manager, facilities manager etc.
There’s not enough hours in day to do all those tasks that this will entail. You’ll constantly be dragged between different domains nd have no time to focus on anything
Source: I’ve done this job before. Company wasn’t even big either. Just 30 people or so
Honestly for 30 people it’s understandable, hiring properly would be like 10% of the company already lol
When you consider that IT is used by everyone and often the entire company is built on IT and communication i would hire properly
Depends if the company is growing or just a small company
You’re not crazy, it’s just that posts like this are generally tribal. Nobody here actually knows what the day-to-day of that job is, they just want a pretext to vent about their own experiences of being asked to do work that they didn’t want to do.
also potentially unpopular opinion: I’ve encountered about as many engineers over the years that were under-skilled for their positions, than ones who were competent. Whenever I see posters whine about how unreasonable the requirements for a job posting is, I always instinctively read it in one of the former’s voices…
P1: Printer not working again!
P2: Ah I’ll go tell that programmer guy
That company, probably
“You’re good with computers, right?”
I swear these people probably ask their Uber drivers to fix their transmission because they’re “good with cars”.
Well it doesn’t say you have to do any of them well.
Well you must have excellent communication skills.
For the actual IT stuff, they don’t really care.
That one’s the dealbreaker. If you do all that stuff, you only have time for a grunt or two from behind your 17 inch TFT monitor.
If its a small company you are going to have people split between multiple things as it doesn’t make financial sense to have 3 specialists.
Where I work is under 30 people, we don’t have a HR department or even a HR role. HR is done by someone who also has other roles to fill.
You won’t get away with 100k if printer issues are included… your soul and those of the other employees would be a start.
God, I hate printers.
Don’t work with me, I manage 60+ across 2 sites with 3 separate-function print servers.
Anyone else here still manage a fleet of dot matrix??? We’ve got about a dozen left 😅
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Well we can at least thank them for a big part of the open source movement.
anything to do with printers better be 200k or higher
The funny thing about jobs is that demand for the job tends to scale with pay. Of all the IT positions in an office, the guy fixing the printers is probably earning the least.
My job in data analytics occasionally involves pulling printing volume data. Does that count as “anything to do with printers”?
Because fuck trying to aggregate by printer location when the location string is manually entered by humans with different “standards” and varying adherence even to their stated standard.
that sounds like a nightmare! yes that counts
Eh I had a job like this. Was for a small company. If that was a large corp id say fuck no but if small company? Its fine.
Exactly. Company makes doors, by hand. 10 employees total and 2 computers. Easiest job you’ve ever had and you actually feel guilty every time they pay you for the first few months.
Typical of a 20-30 people company where everyone has to do different things.
Our client is a large Law Firm in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks Area) that is looking to hire a talented IT Manager. They have an excellent culture and do a great job at retaining their staff long-term. This person MUST live in LA and be willing to be on site!!
Though it’s not an IT company so their IT department may very well be like 2 or 3 people
Sounds like their IT team is going to be this one person
Yes, that’s pretty normal outside of IT companies and gigantic non-IT companies.
That looks closer to a 220~260k salary job posting.
100~110k in LA area is entry level IT.
in the rest of the world that is basically a three-job salary.
Yeah I was gonna say. I didn’t understand what people were complaining about, that’s loads of money to me. I know stuff’s more expensive in the US but it’s not that much more expensive that 100k isn’t an insane amount of money to live off.
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That’s about 5-6k a month pay, with rent around 3-4k a month
100k/12≈8k, including taxes, after taxes idk depends where you live. My rent is the majority of my income, and I make much less than that, so the absolute amount of money I have after paying for things like rent and utilities, to spend on food, is much less too, even if we assume the same % of income going to rent. Again I’m not saying things aren’t more expensive in the US, but it is still a lot of money. You aren’t going to be struggling financially. My friends in the US make much less than that. Maybe you’d be less well-off than peers who do the same job, but I hope you realise that for a lot of people elsewhere in the world, that’d be 3 salaries already.
Yeah its not a bad pay, my wife makes close to that amount, I make less and we were able to buy a house after we split the mortgage with her parents, instead of them renting, and us renting, we teamed up and split the house. we are comfortable just a bit cramped. We converted the garage to a kitchen/ living room and we get one bedroom. In laws with their kids get three rooms and the living room and kitchen. now we just have to deal with the two hour commute a day, my job offers free ev charging so that saves us about $500 a month we used to spend on gas.
It’s USD 8333 per month, or EUR 7177. I wouldn’t say 3 jobs, but pretty good even if it has to feed a whole family and/or taxes are high.
You aren’t going to get close to that amount per month after taxes and health care. Its definitely not minimum wage, its around a teacher salary, or entry level office worker
Honestly, this is what we currently have at our mid sized company. We get paid dogshit, nobody has a dedicated position we’re just all “IT” and we do everything to keep shit running
This is basically my current job. Almost the same pay (120k) in the Seattle area.
I work 50-70 hours a week
You’re worth $200k in that HCOL area.
I worked a short stint as a network administrator for a company I did not like at all. I figured it’d be a foot in the door, but boy was I wrong. I didn’t last 6 months, I was doing work of a network tech, network admin, security tech for door locks and cameras, a custodian, and general computer tech in all that. It was a VASTLY underpaid position for the work.
It’s three jobs on a slow day.
100-110k is a lot of coin, you’re being paid pretty well to wear those hats.
It’s less than twice as much as I make as a line cook. It’s not that much coin.
Line cook isn’t an easy job, to be fair.
It’s low skill and easily replaced.
We don’t pay based on how hard.
Yeah, we do to a point, someone has to want that job.
5% weighting. Tops.
If no one wants it, harder to replace.
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Lol, I’ll fight you on “low skilled”.
Go ahead. Line cook ain’t complicated. Show up, prep for a few hours, real with the rush, clean up. Easily replaced. Days of training for competency.
What’s minimum wage in the area?
Around $18.50
Listen, if you meet the requirements for this job your entire resume is just a link to your wikipedia page. This is a hilariously, bafflingly out of touch posting.
A lot of it is vaguely described. I could probably apply and argue I meet all of these as it depends on what level of experience they really want.
Communication skills - whatever, many jobs asks for this.
Data migration and APIs - HR don’t know what an API is but I have setup software that uses them and I can copy data from a server easily with rsync.
SQL - I passed a SQL test in an interview despite having never used or seen it. Only had some HTML, CSS and bash from a few home projects. Now used SQL a fair bit.
Cloud - yep, used GCP to run a factorio server when I didn’t have Ethernet for a stable connection to run a server
Train staff - generic, sure.
Deploy security solutions - yeah I can probably install an antivirus.
Software/hardware/user issues - I worked in a computer repair shop, got that coveted.
But 100k USD isn’t enough of an improvement over 29k GBP. I’ll stay here thanks.
I know it’s a joke, but in case you decide to go for a position like this in the UK: you probably wouldn’t make it past the technical with those examples. Mainly, data migration is a system migration process (rsync might be a tiny part of the process but it’s absolutely not what they’re asking about) and endpoint security is not the same thing as an antivirus.
Honestly it’s pretty standard stuff you’d find in a posting for a senior technical position, but it’s just… three senior tech positions rolled into one (Four if they actually want training plans) and for low-journey pay. Pretty damn ridiculous.
Probably a posting to justify hiring a foreign worker needing a visa. Claiming they can’t find anyone qualified in country.
It absolutely is not a lot of coin.
May not be in USA, because the employer doesn’t pay social security on your behalf.
Sherman Oaks = Los Angeles, California suburbs and it’s not that great of pay for LA.
Source: SoCal resident.
