• Obinice@lemmy.world
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    22 days ago

    They’re not wrong though, assuming they’re in the UK and/or their contract agrees a minimum of two weeks notice, as is standard.

    This applies both ways. I expect this employee would be angry if their employer breached their contract to sack them immediately without this notice, but if the employee breaches those same terms of their agreed contract that’s…okay? No.

    Regardless of their feelings, it’s very unprofessional, petty even, and depending on how litigious and unhappy with them their employer is, not a very smart idea.

    There are many edge cases where things must be looked at differently of course (someone resigning over harassment at work would not wish to remain there for a fortnight serving their notice for example), but this must be discussed and agreed upon, because again, it deviates from the legally binding contractual agreement they both signed.

    This employee, regardless of any legitimate grievances, in this communication is unprofessional, petty, and frankly childish.

    While I don’t know the story behind their falling out, I suspect the employer will be glad to see them go. I wouldn’t want them working for me, or even work with them as a colleague. They sound awful.

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      OTOH, if this is in the US, we are almost entirely at-will when it comes to employment; we can be terminated at any time, for something as petty as the boss not liking our socks, no heads-up required.

      Here the two weeks notice is considered a courtesy, and sadly fewer and fewer businesses are proving worthy of that courtesy. It seems from the post title that this company did not deserve much respect at all.

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        22 days ago

        I thought from the last part that this was an ironic joke about all those quitting with text posts where the boss is really unreasonable and shitty

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      22 days ago

      In the Netherlands, by law there is a minimum of one month’s notice. If the employers fire you, the notice time is doubled. So if a company would require three months notice it means you can still work there for 6 more months after you’re fired.

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          How so? You might not be required any longer to come in to work, especially if they think you could stir up some shit, break some plates on your way out. In fact, the company might even bar you from entering the premises if there’s a good reason for it, like “IP protection.” The company is only required to keep paying your wage, for 6 months in this case.

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    I’ve spent the last year trying to make it work with one of my guys.

    At first, I told him the rest of the team was having trouble connecting with him. He would wander off without telling anyone where he was going or what he was doing, which gave the impression that he wasn’t working. I explained that optics matter, because we’re all in this together. If we can’t count on each other, it makes it harder for everyone. He appreciated that conversation, but things didn’t improve.

    He continued to show up late or call in sick, often on days when he knew we’d be busiest. I talked to him again about reliability—how it’s the most basic form of respect. Not just for your workplace, but for yourself. When you say you’re going to do something or be somewhere, it’s vital that your word means something. If you can’t be counted on, how can anyone rely on you?

    I didn’t just tell him this. I lived it. I showed him with kindness and consistency how important those basic values are.

    Last week was the busiest week our team has ever faced. It was also one of the most critical in terms of proving what we could do together. I prepped the team ahead of time and told them how proud I was to step up to the challenge with them.

    On the first of the two most important days, he was late. The first 15 minutes were the most crucial of the entire day, and he missed half of them. I wasn’t angry. I handled it myself. But when he arrived, I told him how stressful that time was for me, and I reminded him again how important these two days were. He said he understood. He said he was sorry.

    The next morning, I was 15 minutes into busting my ass alone. I texted him: Where are you? Nothing. Radio silence. No reply that day. Not a single call or message.

    The next day, he told me he was sick and had a doctor’s note. The note was timestamped 3:45 p.m., and it said he was cleared to return to work that day.

    I just stared at it for a moment. I didn’t get angry. I didn’t yell. I just said, “Okay,” and continued working. We worked in silence for most of the day.

    Later, he said casually, “I heard you were upset yesterday morning.”

    I replied calmly, “I was. Yes. It was stressful.”

    He shrugged and said, “Sorry about that.”

    I didn’t respond. I just kept working. Then, just before I left, I turned to him and said this in a calm but measured tone:

    “Let me clarify something. Yesterday, I was upset because it was stressful. I’m not upset today. I’m disappointed today. I wanted to be able to say to the rest of the team that I could rely on you when it mattered most. But I can’t say that. I can’t defend you to the team when they feel like you leave them to figure it out on their own, because you left me when I told you I needed you the most. I’m not upset. I’m deeply disappointed.”

    He tried to defend himself with the doctor’s note, but I raised my hand to stop him. He waited for me to say something else, but I didn’t. I let the silence speak, then walked out.

    I’m sharing this because I saw this meme and it made me feel sad and reflect. I know it may be counter to the fun of the meme, but I thought the point was worth sharing.

    Sometimes, jobs are crappy. Sometimes you work for people who don’t care but still expect you to. In those cases, I understand the temptation to stop caring or to burn bridges that don’t seem worth crossing.

    But here’s my advice:

    Respect—not because others have earned it, but because you are worth giving it to.

    Hold yourself to a higher standard, not for them, but for you. Elevate yourself because it’s worth doing. Be better to yourself.

    And when others who also respect themselves find you, they’ll recognize that quality in you. That’s when you find people worth teaming up with. That’s how you build something greater, something that’s not just productive, but meaningful and fun.

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      20 days ago

      Do your guys benefit from all that team building? Or do they just get the same minimum wage no matter what while all the benefits of team efficiency go to the owner?

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        I hear you, and honestly? You’re not wrong. There are too many places where all the talk about “team” ends up being just a way to squeeze more out of people without giving anything back. That kind of exploitation deserves to be called out, and I’m with you there.

        In our case, I do think our company tries to be generous in a lot of ways. But no, my team (and myself) don’t get paid more based on performance. So when I talk about respect, reliability, or rising to a challenge, I’m not saying the system rewards that. I’m saying you do.

        What I wanted to share was really about a different kind of return on investment: the kind that lives inside you. Growth. Character. Reputation. Confidence. The way you carry yourself. The way people start to trust you without question. All of that sticks with you, no matter where you go or who signs your paycheck.

        Being great doesn’t mean being a doormat or ignoring unfairness. It means choosing a higher standard for yourself, even when others haven’t earned it, but because you are worth that standard. This mindset has helped me build a career I’m proud of, even in imperfect systems.

        Thanks for the push back. It helped me realize I needed to say this part more clearly.

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      Whenever I have an employee that I really need to get rid of, I call them in and say… “We need to formulate an exit strategy for you”. I leave it up to them. Want to resign today or in 2 weeks. Accepting your fate gains you a good recommendation for future employment. (Hoping that they will get a job with a competitor and continue to be inept)

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    Don’t give 2 week notices. The only incentive you have is if you are leaving on good terms you can use them as a reference or maybe come back if the circumstances work.

    The downsides far outweigh the benefits. They could terminate you, cut your hours, get mad that you’re quitting and give you bad references.

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      I work in a professional environment where it’s not unusual to give months notice because you appreciate the people you work with and don’t want to leave them hanging.

      in this same environment I have witnessed people getting fired on the spot with zero notice, zero reasons, zero sympathy. I have also seen people give a month notice only for mgmt and HR to fire them on the spot and then tell their team the person quit.

      take my advice, don’t give a two weeks notice for your employer. give it to your trusted colleagues and quit on the spot for your employer.

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    22 days ago

    There’s only one state in the U.S., and since it’s an iPhone, sorry, kind of assuming you’re in the States, that that’s true in.

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    I have attempted the 2 week’s notice 3 times. Only 1 of which have I actually made it to the end. First job in HS, I had no bad blood, but it was a union shop that paid like .10 over min wage. When the union tried to shake me down for dues (of which they wanted like 2 check’s worth of money since I was the Lowest level and only working part time) I told them no thank you, put in 2 weeks notice, worked til the end.

    2nd job it was the end of high school, 2 weeks notice was in bc off to college. The company fires my boss, then I tell his replacement I need x and y days off next week for grad night/ graduation related activities. I show up the next day and it’s a different guy working who made the schedule without talking to anyone apparently. I told him I had asked the other lady for X and Y days off. “Well, right now you’re scheduled to work, if you want those days off, you’re going to need to get someone to cover your shift.”

    I’m good chief, I’ll take my last check please.

    The other one I had the new job desperately needing help and wanting me to start ASAP, so I worked it out where I was going to grind a 60+ hr week where I’d train in the AM at the new job and take a late shift at the old job. The 2nd day I was burnt out asf. I walk into the old job at 6 pm after grinding 8 hrs at the new job to a severely understaffed store and I was supposed to close down with the worst fellow supervisor we had. She was a very sweet older lady, but she was just slow at absolutely everything she did. I knew that closing with her while short a cashier and a bagger meant I’d be doing double/ triple duty that night and getting out an hour later than usual. I just said fuck this shit and bounced. I made up some sob story about personal issues going on to not completely burn that bridge and actually kept eligibility for rehire, but I was fucking done with that place.

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      “You’re going to need to get someone to cover your shift.”

      Bro, you’re the manager in charge of the schedule — sounds like a you problem.

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    My asshole boss got what he asked for. He was hired in 2023, +15workers quit during his first year in charge, and by surprise 2024 was record breaking bad year for the company. I guess things can happen when you don’t respect the ones bringing in the revenue.

    • Mickey7@lemmy.worldOP
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      this is the old baseball analogy. Fire all the players or fire the manager. If everyone quits it’s not the players but an asshole manager