• VinegarChunks@lemmus.org
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    I went to Paris once, and despite everything I had heard my whole life, if you start off with a Bonjour and end with a Merci, in between, the locals are almost all perfectly happy to speak English with you.

    I’m sure I say these things with a thick American accent so they all know not to continue too much further in French.

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      “I’d much rather stumble around in English than witness whatever the fuck you’re about to do to my mother tongue” - the French

      But yes, a simple “Parlez vous anglais?” puts most conversations firmly in friendly territory. It’s entitlement that puts most people off.

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        Yeah most people are self conscious about their accent/vocabulary so if you roll in speaking English it kinda feels like you’re going “hey I expect you to bend over backwards to try to speak my language while I’m visiting your country” which is of course even worse if they’re working at the time. Opening with any attempt to speak French shows that you’re willing to accommodate them and the person will immediately be more relaxed at the idea of exposing just how bad their English is.

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      The meaning behind the idiom is that “jig” is an old term for a trick, so you’re no longer fooling the person.

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        I thought it was “jig” like the dance, so the metaphorical dance is over

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            Huh, you’re right. I checked the OED online (it’s a subscription thing through my library, here’s the link the OED “cite” button gives, let’s see if it’s paywalled: Oxford English Dictionary, “jig (n.1), sense 5,” December 2025, https://doi.org/10.1093/OED/1036112357.)

            edit: well, I’m not a fan of that. Here’s what it says, minus the examples

            A piece of sport, a joke; a jesting matter, a trifle; a sportive trick or cheat. the jig is up (or the jig is over) = ‘the game is up’, it is all over. Now dialect or slang.

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              No dice, paywalled

              To continue reading, please sign in below or purchase a subscription

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                that’s a shame. I’ve edited the text into my comment above.

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      A “jig” is a fast lively dance, usually somewhat comical in appearance.

      Because jigs were often performed as comic interludes or sketches at the end of plays, the word “jig” started to mean a a piece of entertainment or a “performance.”

      Eventually, slang-users in Elizabethan England started using “jig” to mean a clever trick or a “con.” If you were “playing a jig” on someone, you were fooling them.

      “Up” means that the “time for the performance is up” or concluded. The most common way we use “up” to mean finished is in relation to time. When a clock runs out, the time is “up.”

      Imagine a cup being filled with water. When it reaches the brim (the top), it is full; it can’t take anymore. In the same way, when a situation or a “jig” (a trick) reaches its limit of time or tolerance, it is “up” at the brim.​

      In English, we often add “up” to verbs to show that an action is finished 100%. This is known as a “completive particle” in the study of language.

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      Thanks for asking, it have been quite confusing. Like hello, hello, what can I get you, ouch busted … 😁

      A swede in France.

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    i’ve worked as a cashier in quebec, and i promise you if you don’t speak french, don’t pretend, you’ll only make things more awkward for everyone lol. personally, if someone speaks to me in french, even with a big accent, i reply in french, tho i know that not everyone does

    ask if we speak english, more often than not (especially in montreal) the answer will be yes, and if not we’ll get someone who does. (at least that’s how it was where i worked, maybe other places who are less used to have english-speaking customers would react differently)

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      when you go in with the plan of saying “one coffee please” and you know how to say it and you think you know how to pay for it, and then you get a question you don’t understand after “hello”, that is something i can relate to
      i guess it’s probably different in canada, where english is a majority language, so you can basically assume everyone speaks it, but when i was driving through germany, i first tried using my rusty german, and if/when i reached my limits, i asked if they spoke english
      and also it’s a challenge for oneself, i wouldn’t want to take that away from people, although i can see how it can be frustrating when a long queue halts for some time due to communication issues

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    I only know enough French to start bar fights in Montreal, which gets awkward because the folks involved are generally better at bar fights than I am.

    Regardless, I’m convinced there is nothing in this world more satisfying than a hearty “TabarNAK” at just the right moment. Fuck’s a great word, but there’s just something about those extra two syllables and the emphasis at the end that fills me with joy.

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      I’m french and I fucking love the sacres. It is my personal opinion that my countrymen mock québécois and its accents because they’re jealous of the funny expressions and the way they can seamlessly slip some English words in any sentence with an impeccable accent.

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      I’m convinced there is nothing in this world more satisfying than a hearty “TabarNAK” at just the right moment

      CaaAAAAaalice

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    I still can’t quite accept that the French for “what” is literally “what is it that”

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    written french is a lot easier to understand than spoken french, we need IRL real time subtitles for these people…

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    Yeah. You can tell the people who don’t travel internationally that much always insist on trying to speak the local language as much as possible without understanding the high time cost of language switching in the middle of the interaction instead of establishing the language at the beginning.

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      Some words have a different meaning, they use a lot of English words, and have a unique accent. We Frenchmen can understand québécois with minimal difficulty.

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          The easiest way to compare is Irish/Scottish relative to global English. Or better yet, a thick American southern accent compared to a British accent.

          The idioms, the accent etc all have their particularity. Typically quebecers can understand French from France but the opposite is a little more difficult.

          All that being said, just like all languages there’s localised variations around quebec. And a trained hear can usually tell the difference between someone from Gatineau, Montréal, quebec, Gaspésie or Lac St-Jean.

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      Interestingly, Québécois French is less likely to use loanwords like “le weekend”, preferring instead to use terms like “fin de semaine” (literally “end of the week”). In terms of vocab used, a French person is still likely to understand a Québécois French speaker (and vice versa). I can’t speak for how much impact accent has on intelligibility though

      Source: English person who did 8 years of French in high school, who also has a French Canadian friend

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        I lived with a French Canadian while living in France. They like to get so high and mighty about speaking “purer” French with “less loanwords”, but I would say they use just as many if not more.

        One example was a day we started taking about cars. I hear him use words like “wheel” and “bumper” (literally just the English words with a French accent) and I’m like “bro do they really not use the French words for those in Canada?”

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          French people and French-Canadians both use anglicisms, just in different ways.

          For example, if we take the sentence “I parked my car in the parking lot for the weekend”, someone from France might say:

          J’ai stationné ma voiture dans le parking pendant le weekend

          whereas someone from Canada could say

          J’ai parké mon char dans le stationnement pour la fin de semaine

          Both have influence from English, but in different places. English loanwords in Canada tend to originate from the beginning of the 20th century (a reason why many car-related terms in Canadian French are anglicisms, such as “bumper”) and in France loanwords tend to be a more recent phenomenon.

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          I suppose it wasn’t all in high school. It was between the ages of 10 and 18, which would mean that it was from Year 5 to Year 13. In my country, secondary school is from year 7 to year 13; I said “in high school” because that’s when the majority of it took place

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            I wasn’t sure if you were trying to make a joke about the quality of your ability to communicate in French lol

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        They do like the words un hamburger/hotdog. They have their own slang, want to test your mingled(mangled) language skills? Try talking to an Acadian, a mixture of french and english in the same sentence, so much fun. Accent has a HUGE effect, rural folk(not living in the cities like MTL, Quebec city, and a few others) can have such a thick accent I can’t understand 2/3 of their words

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      Some pronunciations are very different for sure. For example, France French says montagne (mountain) sort of like mohn-tahn-yeh, and in Montreal it’s mohn-taine.

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    When I went to Montreal, I’m not exaggerating when I say that every single service worker I interacted with opened with “Bonjour, hello!” You would only have to fuck that up once if you didn’t realize what was happening there.