Funny, but taxes ARE cool. Anyone who disagrees is welcome to do the research by living in any number of failed states.
Don’t be that guy that goes to dinner with a large group of friends then skips out on the bill.
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Nothing inherently wrong with taxation. The problems are how taxes are determined, how they’re collected, and how that money is distributed.
Exactly. Conceptually, taxation isn’t left, but the way some governments use those funds absolutely is theft.
Not to mention how angry people are about taxation, but are also completely unaware that conceptually, profit is actually left of your surplus value.
I have one simple trick for people who hate taxation but turn a blind eye to corporate profits. Instead of calling it “tax” call it “government profit” because, apparently, that’s all it takes to fool them.
You know you’re right because some libertarian is downvoting everything in this thread lol
paved roads/wastewater treatment/food safety/free public education intensifies
“The government is robbing us blind! It’s just like before the American Revolution, the winning local/state political candidate isn’t the one that I voted for, this is oppression!”
But what have the Romans ever done for us?
Anyone who disagrees is welcome to do the research by living in any number of failed states.
Currency is a tool of authoritarian governments to extract labor via the threat of poverty and state sanctioned violence.
Taxes are a means of legitimizing that violence by recharacterizing an extortionary rent as interpersonal debts, and the violence of collections as just compensation
Anyone who disagrees is welcome to live in the fascist police states that impose these rents on their people, then assault and imprison them by the million.
Taxes are not theft. They are contributing to the group that shares resources like water and services like roads. These are not naturally forming, they are planned and maintained by people doing a job who need to be compensated.
The problem with taxes is who is taxed. If only a few hundred families control a majority of the wealth, why are you paying taxes? They need to be taxed back down to the quality of life that we live.
Taxes are not theft. They are contributing to the group that shares resources like water and services like roads.
They are not contributing to anything. Taxation is fully decoupled from public spending, which is why the US can issue $1.8T in new Treasury bonds in a year to no noticeable effect.
Public utilities (such that exist - most of them have been privatized in everything but name) operate on the expectation that the staff providing engineering expertise and materials can enjoy a reasonably comfortable quality of life. Setting aside that most utilities bill separately from state and local taxation (I pay a monthly water bill and a gas tax per gallon to fund these amenities), they are provided at an extraordinary mark-up that the actual staff don’t get to enjoy. As a case in point, Houston waste removal services have been chipped away at since COVID, with staff working longer hours for lower pay using outdated equipment. The mayor has outsourced more and more of the work to a private contractor owned by one of his mega-donor friends. What money is collected via property taxes goes first into the profits of the private contracting agencies, then to their administrators, and only at last to trickle down on the actual laborers collecting the trash.
Meanwhile, the housing and personal transport and groceries and other lifestyle amenities required by the waste management workers is… once again outsourced to the private sector, where owners take their cut first and labor gets the dredges. The end result is a working class mired deeper and deeper into debt, while the landed class grows fatter and richer.
This isn’t taxation paying for labor or materials. This is taxation paid out as a rent to landlords and cronies.
The problem with taxes is who is taxed.
That’s a system functioning as intended. Taxation is rent-seeking at the governmental scale. You don’t tax your aristocrats, because they’re supposed to be the recipients of the labor surplus. You tax the laborers, because you need a legalized mechanism for extracting any surplus remaining with them, in order to redistribute it to your aristocratic peers.
I’m pleased that you can conceptually see this “possibility”, for lack of a better word. It speaks of creativity and imagination.
That your conclusion seems locked-in on this possibility as the only solution, is needlessly below your abilities and shows mental rigidity or tunnel vision.
Currency and Taxation CAN and HAVE been weaponized as you described, but so has a carrot. Just because a carrot CAN and HAS been used to stab through someone’s eye and pierce their brain, killing them, doesn’t mean that this is what carrots are for, or how public policy should treat carrots.
That your conclusion seems locked-in on this possibility as the only solution
I’m mostly just being contrary.
Currency and Taxation CAN and HAVE been weaponized as you described, but so has a carrot.
You’re going to have to cite how carrots were weaponized by the state to legitimize violence.
You’re going to have to cite how carrots were weaponized by the state to legitimize violence.
Exhibit A - Eat your vegetables.
Wow. Damn. I guess facts don’t care about my feelings.
I like it when daddy america dominates me by forcing me to pay taxes like the dirty little slut I am.
I’d rather live in a world without government or currency. Taxes suck, but only insofar as it legitimizes and enables the monopoly of violence
Have fun in Mad Max might makes right land.
Mad Max land is what we have where people in the third world are impoverished so we can benefit off their hard work.
Capitalism cannot survive without exploitation at the bottom level.
Sure, but taxation and governments do not equal capitalism.
To your point, perhaps more than you said, capitalism is exploitation all the way down, not just at the bottom.
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Capitalism is not cool, taxes are thus not cool.
Directly working to make your local community better is cool. Be the guy who comes over and helps you cook a meal with your other friends which you enjoy together.
Yeah, but can I be the guy who supplies industrial amounts of chlorine, alum, sodium hypochlorite, lime, ferric chloride, sodium hydroxide, activated carbon, polyphosphates, hydrogen peroxide, and ozone for disinfection for my local water treatment plant? Can you spare the steel and engineering brother? I’m so thirsty. Do you know anyone who is good at instrumentation and SCADA who wants in on our potluck?
I also have to take a dump. Can I give it to you? After we wash our hands, we can cook a meal together.
Your right, the only way people would want to do a job such as make life better for other people is through exploitation.
If we make them fear not having food or a home leading to death, we can force them to do the jobs you don’t want to do.
You’re such a good friend!
Feel free to play with your little strawmen, just don’t fall under the delusion that you are having a conversation with anyone but the ghosts in your head.
Socialism is just the highest tier plan on Taxes+
No its not, its when workers control the means of production. Stop creating propaganda. Was frudalism socialism? Did serfs control the means of production when they were “taxed” out of everything?
(Some people are so terminally political they have their sense of humour surgically removed)
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It’s shit posting not slop posting. Fuck AI slop, how difficult is to slap some text on a picture?
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Yes, and so do you 😘
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Is this AI upscaled?
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It would explain why it looks like crap
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We can rescue this slop post. Shut up and post pictures of Sasha Grey
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This HAS to be old school meme, surely
I duno if most of the youths today would recognise her
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The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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Uncles
Sex work is still work. They deserve dignity and recognition for what they do for the rest of us. In my moments of solitude only Lulu brings warmth to my life. She’s awesome. I hope things go well to all you guys who do porn for us ugly people.
Taxes are fine so long as they are fair and apply to everyone.
Including all businesses, which disproportionately benefit from publicly funded infrastructure.
I was thinking religious organizations and the ultra wealthy, but you’re right as businesses would cover those.
Religious organizations are businesses!
And not particularly honest ones…
Like fortune tellers with delusions of grandeur.
Tax evasion is no grey area!
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Taxes are cool when they work properly. The problem with taxes right now is that we’re not really getting much benefit for what we pay and those that have the most are not paying their fair share. Not only that, a large portion of our tax money is going directly to those companies that refuse to pay taxes.
In the U.K. we have this really cool thing known as “in work benefits” where the government tops up your income cause companies pay such shit wages.
Reform, one of the popular right wing parties wants to cut the benefits bill, which will include this and pensions. It’s exciting to find out how much damage that will cause, if they get in.
Mommy Sasha
Locking this thread because some of y’all are so dumb it’s unnerving.
TVTA
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