Read the full transcript. There is so much more that is being overlooked besides the “war plans” that were leaked.
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Joe Kent: “I will send you the unclass data we pulled on BAM shipping” This indicates that Kent knew that this conversation was classified and that at least some people in the chat were not privy to at least some level of classified information.
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JD Vance: “I think messaging is going to be tough no matter what – nobody knows who the Houthis are – which is why we would need to stay focused on: 1) Biden failed & 2) Iran funded.”. He’s basically acknowledging what they’re doing is complete bullshit, but it won’t matter as long as they blame Biden for it.
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JD Vance: “1) this leaks, and we look indecisive;”. I don’t even know what to say here.
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Michael Waltz: “Per the president’s request we are working with DOD and State to determine how to compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans.”. In other words “We’re bombing Yemen, and Europe’s gonna pay for it.”
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JD Vance: “I just hate bailing Europe out again.”. I think this is a highly under-reported line in this whole debacle. It shows that the US position on Europe isn’t just some political theater to appease Trump, but shows that the US (or at least, this administration’s) disdain for Europe is very, very real. This is the geopolitical equivalent of finding out your best friend tells everybody that you’re nothing but a freeloading loser when you’re not around. Even if it stays quiet, this line will not go unnoticed, and will have a huge impact on US/EU relations going forward.
IMPORTANT EDIT: As I expected, these comments did not go unnoticed. European leaders are already rethinking their relationships with the US in response to not only this entire scandal, but also the specific comments made by JD Vance since it gives evidence of the true feelings of the Trump administration.
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JD Vance: “And if there are things we can do upfront to minimize risk to Saudi oil facilities we should do it.”. Good to know where his priorities are. Gotta protect that Saudi oil. Innocent civillians? Fuck 'em. They’re not nearly as important as that sweet, sweet black gold.
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Pete Hegseth: “VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC.”. See above. This is going to have a huge damping effect on our relations with our European allies going forward, as it reinforces the fact that US disdain for Europe is real and not just political theater for cameras.
So in other words, they’re bombing Yemen because Europeans are freeloaders, and if anybody asks why we’re even doing this just blame Biden.
European here: we did not ask for your help, we do not particularly want you to bomb the houthis (or anyone in the Middle East for that matter).
… You want shipping through the Suez.
This bombing campaign won’t prevent missile attacks on shipping. If anything, it will further motivate ships to avoid the area.
We would indeed prefer shipping to Suez. That’s why we deploy navy ships to the Red Sea. Doesn’t mean that we asked for this particular strike on Jemen (which as many already pointed out is unlikely to affect piracy much). You can’t say you do something for Europe when to my knowledge no European nation asked for this “aide”.
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I’m watching the hearing now. Democrats are ROASTING them and calling for their resignations, while Republicans are asking them about China and Mexico and praising their first months in position. It’s disgusting.
The NSA explicitly advised them all against the use of Signal back in February, citing recent breaches of the platform by Russian hackers. Two of them were in Moscow at the time the strikes were communicated, one being Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence.
Edit: The lottery assigned Judge Boasberg to their trial. It’s a good day.
There is obviously an easy fix for this. Get rid of the NSA, CISA, and other cybersecurity people.
That won’t stop a drunk moron inviting randos to chat.
one being Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence
…and Kremlin mouthpiece and asset
Good times, good times.
I mean if you assume her title is an intended insult it makes a lot more sense.
Like the secretary of education in Idiocracy.
Correct.
I’m not familiar with Boasberg, but a quick DDGing tells me he’s been blocking deportations. Someone with integrity ? Can you tell me more ?
Yes. He’s the judge that Trump and congressional Republicans have repeatedly threatened with impeachment for obstructing the Executive Branch. Impeachment of a federal judge requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate, and Senate Democrats have already stated that they will not vote in favor.
He has issued injunctions on the Alien Enemies Act deportations, and is the one demanding detailed flight logs and passenger lists for the flights to El Salvador. They very much dislike him for doing his job correctly.
Fascism is fucking gross.
Nice, what a bro. Thanks for the additional context, I was too weary to look him up thoroughly and sift through the bullshit
Oh Christ he’s gonna be the one they arrest in order to start the purge of the judiciary, isn’t he
Well, yes, republicans are worthless traitor filth.
Vance responded a minute later: “Excellent.” Thirty-five minutes after that, Ratcliffe, the CIA director, wrote, “A good start,” which Waltz followed with a text containing a fist emoji, an American-flag emoji, and a fire emoji.
You cannot make this shit up
They’re like a bunch of frat boys trying to outdo each other in their edgy hot take. They’re creating their own tiny echo chamber where it is cool to hate on other Western countries and admire Russia.
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'MURICA!
FUCK YEAH!
COMIN’ AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHERFUCKIN’ DAY, YEAH!
Unless you’re European, Canadian, or Mexican and then we give two shits, yeah!!
Or American really. The subset of Americans they care about is so close to zero it isn’t worth considering.
My new slogan: 👊🧔🏻♂️🇺🇸🔥 (Punch the nazis and burn their BS down)
I can’t find an emoji that looks like trump enough 👴🏽👦🏼 or just 🤡
Signal itself is not vulnerable. This article needs to correct itself. Signal is only vulnerable if the DEVICE THAT USES IT is compromised. Using devices that can be compromised is the issue here. Do not use that device to discuss anything confidential if you are in the government.
This is not Signal’s fault at all.
There is no doubt in my mind that their phones are compromised.
They are compromised, it doesn’t even matter if the software on their phones is too.
Yeah, their terrible behavior, policies, and plans all make sense when you finally realize that they are all Russian assets. They aren’t acting like Americans charged with the responsibility of protecting and managing our government. They are acting like Russian deep cover operatives charged with dismantling and crashing the American government.
But a presidential administration is required to keep classified records, and records of all meetings in general.
It may take decades of FOIA requests, but those records are SUPPOSED TO BE KEPT, not deleted forever after 7 days.
This regime using Signal is a major red flag and a permanent information black hole.
That’s exactly what he’s saying dude. The app works fine, there is no problem with the app. There is a problem with these people using the app.
Tulsi only gave her device to Russian intelligence to install exclusive games not available in the US.
I don’t see the issue here. Gabbard is known to be trustworthy. Let her play the cool games.
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Signal itself is not vulnerable. This article needs to correct itself. Signal is only vulnerable if the DEVICE THAT USES IT is compromised.
I think the description of vulnerability is subjective in this case. It could be that signal is inherently more vulnerable than official channels, as Signal is a private corporation that has no motivation to disclose any failures in their security.
I don’t think the article is trying to blame Signal in any way, it’s just not the proper communication channel and thus utilizing it is an inherent vulnerability no matter how secure their encryption may be.
I think the description of vulnerability is subjective in this case.
No, it really isn’t. The Signal protocol enables E2EE, meaning you don’t have to worry about the server infra (that is, even if you don’t buy that they’re using the FOSS server code they say they are, it’s irrelevant). The Signal protocol is open and has been examined forwards and backwards over and over by security researchers around the world. I can’t emphasize how many eyes are on this protocol because of how prolifically used it is, including by government officials worldwide. The app is FOSS, and like the protocol, it has a ton of eyes on it for the same reason. The app is a reproducible build, meaning that if Signal baited you with a fake app, it would be found out immediately.
It could be that signal is inherently more vulnerable than official channels, as Signal is a private corporation that has no motivation to disclose any failures in their security.
They’re a corporation, sure, but in the sense that they’re a 501©(3), not a for-profit. Signal would have every incentive to disclose a failure in “their security” (where here that means their app or the protocol; again, what’s happening on the servers literally, provably, mathematically doesn’t matter). For a privacy org like this, it’s in their best interest to immediately report any problems that might compromise privacy.
I don’t think the article is trying to blame Signal in any way, it’s just not the proper communication channel
Agreed. But here, I agree it’s not the proper channel 1) because it’s on their personal devices which the person you’re responding to clearly stated and 2) a Signal chat (likely intentionally on their part) bypasses crucial records keeping laws. A known vuln for example is if someone has access to your phone, they can link their own personal device and read your messages as they come up. But again, that requires access to your phone, which becomes problematic if and only if you’re using your own personal device rather than a secure government one.
and thus utilizing it is an inherent vulnerability no matter how secure their encryption may be.
No. Again, that’s not an inherent vulnerability. Using it on their personal devices is, but unless you can come up with a vulnerability in the app itself or the protocol itself, then you’re just agreeing with the person you’re replying to.
Signal is a publicly available app that provides encrypted communications, but it can be hacked. It is not approved for carrying classified information. On March 14, one day before the strikes, the Defense Department cautioned personnel about the vulnerability of Signal, specifically that Russia was attempting to hack the app, according to a U.S. official who was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity.
One known vulnerability is that a malicious actor, with access to a person’s phone, can link his or her device to the user’s Signal and essentially monitor messages remotely in real time.
This reads to me like Signal has weaknesses. Also, just so everyone is aware:
The Signal Technology Foundation, commonly known as the Signal Foundation, is an American Non-profit organization founded in 2018 by Moxie Marlinspike and Brian Acton. Its mission is to “protect free expression and enable Secure communication through Open source Digital privacy”. Its subsidiary, Signal Messenger LLC, is responsible for the development of the Signal messaging app and the Signal Protocol.
Signal is an open-source, encrypted messaging service for instant messaging , voice calls, and video calls . The instant messaging function includes sending text, voice notes, images, videos, and other files. Communication may be one-to-one between users or may involve group messaging.
The Government that hires by merit. :\
Pete Hegseth is not top shelf, but his liquor is.
I know. And he’s not a good hire for the merit based government either.
Do they know what that means?
They don’t care. They only care about owning the libs, killing brown people, and fucking up their own country… to own the libs (again). Pete Hegseth is so incompetent it isn’t funny. He is also an astonishingly racist fellow. He even had a Tattoo that says kaffir. Which is odd because Muslims have never used it in the way he and many other islamophobes think it is used. Basically if you are a Jew or a Christian, you are not a kaffir. There is more to say, but I kept this comment in process for more than a day now.
Nothing is going to happen right
With Kash Patel on the case, we can be rest assured hell for absolutely nothing about these idiots.
The problem doesn’t even seem to be the hacking but how easy it is to gain access to a chat. I didn’t look into how the editor got invited but think of how easy it is to get a random number invited to a signal group chat. It doesn’t take much social engineering to slip a number in there with this chaotic oh no wait DISRUPTIVE administration. No authentication required. Just send a mail to xXshitlord2006Xx@doge.boys with the text “Oy bro, send group invite”
The people who pulled this off, lol. They probably hacked Waltz his (private?) phone, replaced the number of some high level official with the number of the Atlantic guy, and then just sat back and relax. Watch this shit show unfold.
No-one “pulled this off”. Walz fucked up.
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LMAO I can’t
Yup, that is a grade A f*ck up right there.
