Who the fuck will trust the US when they bomb you during peace talks
Trump did this last term too, we killed their intelligence chief when he landed for peace talks with Iraq.
This is a war crime, BTW. Attacking someone under a perceived state of truce or ceasefire is called “perfidy”.
And was, IIRC, widely praised for it by the pundit class.
I still remember 2017, when Donald decided to drop the MOAB on Afghanistan and Fareed Zakaria praised him effusively on CNN.
Guess he learned the lesson.
Its like, I want my country to be better but I know the millions looking for karma arent going to let it happen.
manufacturing consent
War crimes don’t mean anything. It is a cudgel the victor uses to do more damage after they win.
disagree. What Israel did to the palestinians has meaning and is legally defined globally as war crimes. I am not willing to say those laws and global agreements have no real meaning.
I hate to disagree, but laws and rules have no actual meaning if there isn’t an enforcement mechanism. Considering how long Israel and the US have been committing war crimes without even the lightest of punishment for those in charge, whatever enforcement is in place is obviously insufficient.
I will agree if anyone gets convicted for any of it. I am not that hopeful
For decades American kids were taught that the Japanese were the lowest of the low because they bombed Pearl Harbor with no warning, also while discussing peace.
Trump would have heard the story over and over as a lad.
That’s the neat part. You don’t
This is the second time they’ve bombed Iran during peace talks. I know it feels like a million years, but it only happened last June.
with everything going on, it does feel like it was a million year ago
Idiots, sniveling toadies, and combinations thereof.
Who the fuck would trust America with Donald Trump on charge. Dude lies to he’s suit tailor. That’s how vain he is. Add in the fact that he’s being blackmailed into this and is a pedophile. I wouldn’t trust trump to watch my dog for an hour, let alone nuclear war.
For any US soldier reading this thread: you are attacking another country to cover up for your pedophile president.
Considering the average soldier is likely not the brightest bulb, and not the most morally compassed… Isn’t it likely the only thing stopping the US from invading EU-ish countries, is our skin color?
Tell that to Greenland
ASAB
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Well, Trump has now dragged us into a World War on behalf of Israel. Meanwhile people in America starve, are homeless, addicted to opiates, and have no jobs and no healthcare. Everything is unaffordable and the American people are hopeless, and now another endless war.
Fuck Trump. America First? America fucking Last…
Don’t worry, the AI bubble will probably export unemployment to the rest of the world before it bursts, so everyone can starve
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More or less, but it looks like the majority of the countries is not willing to do that (I only heard of real results at scale in Finland, tbh)
I’m not seeing any reason why a world war would erupt over this. China and Russia are glad that the US has entered into another stupid military mess, they have no reason to actively engage, the US is destroying itself all on its own.
Saying this is the start of a World War is such a USA-centric brain dead take. Ukraine war is closer to World War than anything that might happen in Iran will ever be.
Ugh… China is constantly itching while constantly glaring at Taiwan, and (recently) eastern Russia… Distracted 'murica makes braver China
WW started not suddenly, everybody kinda slowly joined the party
China is likely to attack Taiwan while the U.S. is distracted. Pakistan and India could get into it while there’s no one available to intervene.
US has been distracted many times when they attacked and invaded like a dozen countries since WWII?
Unlike the US, China isn’t governed by a attention-span lacking moron. They want Taiwan, and will not rest until they have it, but they also don’t want a war with the US over it, unless they can be certain to win it. This isn’t it.
If you can’t connect the dots between Ukraine, Iran, Taiwan, and Venezuela then I simply don’t know what to tell you…
I can. But if you think that the start of WW3 was bombing of Iran, while managing to connect Iran with the war in Ukraine but still think that the actual war in Ukraine was not the start of WW3… I don’t even want to know what I would need to tell you…
I think it is likely that the Ukraine war will be widely considered the beginning of a series of events that will later be labeled “the ramp up to WWIII”, of which this is an indirect extension.
Exactly my point. The Americans ignore an actual war that has the involvement of multiple countries across the globe, while focusing on some bombing runs done by their HeRoIc fighter jets. Silly and ignorant America-centrism.
While the US is distracted on two other fronts (Central America and the Middle East) China can take Taiwan with ease.
Despots back each other up and form an alliance network, because an alliance network is the only way to be powerful against the West. This hits their alliance and long term makes their alliance weaker. However Russia is busy, and China is too reliant on exports.
There is no alliance between China and Russia and Iran. Iran is a minor player in this. You are regurgitating Bush “axis of evil” nonsense as if it was actually true. China and Russia doesn’t care about Iran, and they were never allied to them. They benefited from Iran in various ways then, they will benefit in various ways from this US disaster.
Lol you don’t need a formalized alliance like NATO.
Why does it have to involve the big powers for it to be a world war?
IMO that implies that less powerful countries being in chaos doesn’t matter.
I always thought world war just meant a lot of countries in a related conflict.
Because it is a pretty basic and factual definition of world war. War occurring in different places in the world at the same time does not equal a world war.
Why wouldn’t China invade Taiwan at this point?
Yeah, “America first” just means leaders of America first. The people of America are last.
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Just goes to show how much the FIFA peace prize is worth!
A trophy, photoshoot and bribe for stolen land, all paid by working class. Brilliant. Art of the deal - never trade with your money, lives are worth nothing (on wall street)
agreed they are really making a mockery out of the FIFA peace prize.
/s
Iran signaled thgat they were going to give them everything they asked for so they attacked instead. They never wanted a deal, they wanted a reason to start a new zionist war on the American taxpayers dime.
Iran already had a nuclear agreement with the USA and other countries, which Trump tore up during his first term before he bombed them. Then a few years later they’re about to agree to his replacement deal and, as they prepare to sign, Trump bombs them.
No one will want to negotiate anything with the USA after Trump’s behaviour in the past year. No agreement with the USA is worth the paper it’s written on.
This just taught the world when dealing with the USA you strike first. I’m of the mind this is the start of WW3 now because I doubt the other BRIC countries don’t get involved.
You really see Brazil or India getting involved in that shit?
I’m of the mind this is the start of WW3 now because I doubt the other BRIC countries don’t get involved.
What? None of them are going to do that for Iran.
Also what are they going to do…? Even the UK is attacking Iran at this point. And almost every other country doesn’t actually give a shit. And hated the Ayatollah.
Even Iran is going to respond halfheartedly.
This is why the bullies are doing it.
US: “You can’t enrich uranium!”
Iran: “We reluctantly agree to this term.”
US: Bombs Iran anyway
We live in a clown country 🤡
Gotta distract from the files and stop the elections somehow, after all. Nice lil twofer for sure.
US: “You can’t enrich uranium!”
Iran: “We reluctantly agree to this term.”
US: “Oh fuck, we were hoping for more resistance, it’s only a cover for stealing your oil.”
That’s not entirely what happened. Though you do live in a clown country.
After US withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, Iran did continue to still follow the terms for quite a while in hopes that the US would once again rejoin (presumably).
Then the US assasinated an Iranian general or major, could be mistaken. Either way, they assasinated someone. Iran, shockingly, wasn’t all too impressed and quite upset about the whole ordeal, so they said fuck it… if that’s how you wanna play, we’re gonna do whatever we want.
And then now, you have US and Israel both striking Iran, with the justification that Iran was “about to strike us first”.
At least they took out that PoS Khamenei
The US and israel are not looking for peace.
No foreign wars #2.
So that’s why they gave Anthropic that deadline, huh? I should have seen that one coming, that’s on me.
I knew it was coming when they said there were bears on the moon with ak47s.
Goddamn interstellar wizard alliances at it again.
Uhhhh what
link (comedy sketch by WKUK)
Friday? Stock market closed?
One way to cover up the Trump-Epstein-Gate cover-up.
It proves once again one cannot trust the USA and Israel under their current regimes.
God fucking damn it
Selected excerpts from:
THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF
OLIGARCHICAL COLLECTIVISM
by
Emmanuel Goldstein
Chapter III
War is Peace
The splitting up of the world into three great super-states was an event which could be and indeed was foreseen before the middle of the twentieth century.
[…]
The frontiers between the three super-states are in some places arbitrary, and in others they fluctuate according to the fortunes of war, but in general they follow geographical lines.
[…]
In one combination or another, these three super-states are permanently at war, and have been so for the past twenty-five years. War, however, is no longer the desperate, annihilating struggle that it was in the early decades of the twentieth century. It is a warfare of limited aims between combatants who are unable to destroy one another, have no material cause for fighting and are not divided by any genuine ideological difference. This is not to say that either the conduct of war, or the prevailing attitude towards it, has become less bloodthirsty or more chivalrous.
On the contrary, war hysteria is continuous and universal in all countries, and such acts as raping, looting, the slaughter of children, the reduction of whole populations to slavery, and reprisals against prisoners which extend even to boiling and burying alive, are looked upon as normal, and, when they are committed by one’s own side and not by the enemy, meritorious. But in a physical sense war involves very small numbers of people, mostly highly-trained specialists, and causes comparatively few casualties. The fighting, when there is any, takes place on the vague frontiers whose whereabouts the average man can only guess at, or round the Floating Fortresses which guard strategic spots on the sea lanes.
In the centres of civilization war means no more than a continuous shortage of consumption goods, and the occasional crash of a rocket bomb which may cause a few scores of deaths. War has in fact changed its character. More exactly, the reasons for which war is waged have changed in their order of importance. Motives which were already present to some small extent in the great wars of the early twentieth century have now become dominant and are consciously recognized and acted upon.
To understand the nature of the present war – for in spite of the regrouping which occurs every few years, it is always the same war – one must realize in the first place that it is impossible for it to be decisive.
[…]
In any case each of the three super-states is so vast that it can obtain almost all the materials that it needs within its own boundaries. In so far as the war has a direct economic purpose, it is a war for labour power. Between the frontiers of the super-states, and not permanently in the possession of any of them, there lies a rough quadrilateral with its corners at […] containing within it about a fifth of the population of the earth. It is for the possession of these thickly-populated regions, and of the northern ice-cap, that the three powers are constantly struggling.
In practice no one power ever controls the whole of the disputed area. Portions of it are constantly changing hands, and it is the chance of seizing this or that fragment by a sudden stroke of treachery that dictates the endless changes of alignment.
All of the disputed territories contain valuable minerals […]. But above all they contain a bottomless reserve of cheap labour.
Whichever power controls equatorial Africa, or the countries of the Middle East, or Southern India, or the Indonesian Archipelago, disposes also of the bodies of scores or hundreds of millions of ill-paid and hard-working coolies. The inhabitants of these areas, reduced more or less openly to the status of slaves, pass continually from conqueror to conqueror, and are expended like so much coal or oil in the race to turn out more armaments, to capture more territory, to control more labour power, to turn out more armaments, to capture more territory, and so on indefinitely.
It should be noted that the fighting never really moves beyond the edges of the disputed areas.
[…]
Saw this cool site with a live map of alerts of the region, but I also noticed an odd name on the map. TIL Batman is a city and province in southeastern Turkey, serving as a major hub for the country’s oil industry near the Tigris River.
https://iran.liveuamap.com/?filter_cat=&ll=37.247821%2C31.398926&zoom=6
Fun fact : Batman the comic came before Batman the city (namewise)
Good luck.I hope this hurts you bad.
