US Democratic Senator Mark Kelly has said he will “seriously consider” running for president in 2028 as he battles the Trump administration over a video in which he urged military personnel to refuse illegal orders.
The Arizona senator, who was accused of “seditious behaviour” by Donald Trump over the November clip, said he and his wife, Gabrielle Giffords, received “many” death threats after the president’s comments.
“We get them on a weekly basis now,” he told BBC Newsnight. “We had to get security to protect us 24 hours a day.”
Asked if he was considering a White House run, the retired Navy captain said he was considering it “because we’re in some seriously challenging times”.
He seems ready to fight, and seems fearless. He has my vote if he starts demanding trials, convictions, and jail time for the traitors and pedophiles.
He’s one of the most right wing Democrats though, and he has voted for Republican budgets and frequently for Trump appointees. More so than Fetterman.
I’d vote for him in the general, but he’s not a good pick in the primary at all.
I was not aware, thanks for that info. Ill have to reconsider my position on him.
Worker led revolution please this system doesn’t serve us.
Here here. We need to counter the brownshirts before we worry about electorialism.
Heads must roll for what the trump regime has done already and the billionaires and corporations that allowed and backed it. So any candidate must be the driving force of implementing those consequences, or get out of the way.
ITT: People placing their hopes on a presidential race when they don’t even know if they are even going to be able to have a legitimate rollover on the midterms.
I myself am quite worried there will be no election this fall. I am preparing for potential mass civil unrest this summer. But we can’t let these psychos win in advance. They want to live in an autocratic country. It’s important to keep the flame alive
Have you seen how other Republicans are frequently defying Trump? (Mandatory “fuck them anyway” disclaimer, but still.) I’m sure he’ll try, but I don’t think he has the political capital to pull of a coup, and I don’t think there’s any route for him to build that capital before the deadline.
Yes, all bark, no bite.
I don’t think he can unilaterally seize power, because you’re right: not enough Republicans would support such a scenario. But I am concerned he can screw it up enough that no one will be able to accept the outcome. And as we saw with Minnesota, he can make an example of some cities and enrage enough people to trigger broader civil unrest.
Yes, but… they don’t have the numbers to do that nationwide simultaneously. At least not yet, they’re recruiting heavily, but the results of that drive seem pretty unimpressive so far.
Also I’m convinced they got scared out of Minnesota because people started patrolling the streets with guns, doing checkpoints, and generally warming up to the idea that they may need to shoot their way out of this situation. I think that actually did scare them, but that’s just my opinion.
Yeah, I am glad Minnesotans defended themselves. I just am very concerned about a cycle of mutual retaliation and cleansing getting kicked up.
How sweet. People still think there’s going to be an election.
Another fossilized dipshit. Can’t wait for more money wasted on space shuttle 2.0 the new scam and fear of the internet bill 3.0.
He would be better than Newsom, but worse than Khanna or AOC. I don’t like his lib-brained gun control perspective though.
Man doors 2028 seen so far away.
I’ll be the first to say I used to really like him and I will if I have to But…. I honestly think we’re occupied by a hostile genocidal foreign power and it’s a problem. He needs to denounce the genocide and come out for a two state solution. Still he’s better than Gavin
We need to get out of the situation we are in first, and then move to fix the other problems. Complaining about this when the US is speed running fascism is like bitching that you’re stuck in a burning building but you don’t want a fire truck to come save you because it has a noisy dirty diesel engine.
You don’t think part of that is we’re literally partners with Netanyahu while the rest of the world has issued arrest warrants for him, the fact aipac and Epstein and Ghisline’s MOSSAD! blackmail has any relationship to the situation we find ourselves in? I disagree I think history will look at Netanyahu the same as Hitler and Mussolini because the entire world can see that they’re partners in fascism and the AIPAC uniparty we have in office who is currently cheerleading a war in Iran that will cost trillions for Israel’s benefit just sinks us further into fascism because I guarantee another uniparty Israeli backed democrat isn’t going to reverse any of the damage of this administration and if we don’t ratchet WAY left out of fascism land we’re screwed. Although I’m skeptical we will ever have real elections again without violence
So what’s your solution?
Well I would say the public needs to put overwhelming pressure on the DNC to provide us with candidates who don’t support Israel and vote for that candidate in the primaries
So, sternly worded letters?
This is what I’d like to see in 2026 or at the very least 2028. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7dNLt5mC1A
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I’d vote vote for anyone (Mark Kelly) over anyone who protects pedophiles. Plain. Simple. Straightforward.
Honestly, I’m just happy if theres an alternative to Newsome. Kelly isnt a progressive, but hes not a full blown corpo shill that the DNC would happily shove down our throats if unopposed.
And I will seriously consider voting for just about anyone else left of him in the primary. No offense to him, he seems like a very solid dude, but the time for half-measures, centrists, and people that believe institutions will save us is well beyond over.
You nailed it on the head. If AOC runs, I’m absolutely voting for her. If not, Kelly seems a lot better than Newsom.
Kelly is quite a bit more right wing than Newsom. Kelly’s voting record is pretty terrible for Dems.
Yeah Kelley seems to be a centrist with a soul. I don’t want another fucking centrist but I really must insist on a candidate with a soul
As opposed to the literal Nazi puppets that were pushed into power?
Ya I’m not compromising. Leftist or nobody
You are the reason Trump won.
LMAO if even you clown. I played it safe with the Democrats non nominee the last two times Trump won. They still had their asses handed to them.
Done playing it safe. I do blame Trump’s victory on The pro Palestine protest voters though. Maybe you should be mad at them. They stayed home. I at least tried. You’re a fucking joke. This isn’t reddit noob This isn’t a safe space for dem neolibs
You fail basic statistics and common sense, you are free to do what ever you want, but the US election cycle is a solved problem. Drawing a line in the sand inadvertantly supports everything you are against because you are not supporting the candiates who wont do MOST of those things. You let perfection be the enemy of progress and everyone is worse off for it.
Vote for your candidate in the primary, vote against their opposition in the general. Tactical voting is most important right now, otherwise you get another GOP term.
LMAO no. Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi have shown who they are. Complicit with the fascists. Besides I live in a red state, my vote does not matter. Maybe occasionally for local
I love AOC, I think she’s the future of the country, but please please PLEASE do not nominate another candidate with a vagina in 2028. We’re just not ready for that.
I am selfish as a New York State resident and want to keep her, and give her Chuck’s seat in 2028. Maybe after a term or three in the Senate we’ll be ready to elect someone without a penis as President.
What utter BS. We have progressive women winning races in the house and Senate so the problem isn’t having a damn vagina. The issue is the last two women presidential candidates were neoliberal jackasses that had crappy policies and dismissive attitudes toward their electorate.
Sure be selfish and say you want to keep her representation local but piss of saying a woman can’t win and then say don’t even try.
The Presidency is a bridge too far, though.
Ask yourself: why did Joe Biden, of all people, win, where Clinton and Harris didnt? It certainly wasn’t because he had fewer “crappy policies” than they did.
America, as a whole, is simply too misogynistic to elect a woman as President right now but, they are at least self-aware to know they can’t say that out loud. So we get excuses, instead, like “I don’t like her laugh” or “I just don’t agree with her”.
My favorite was a dude who said “I can’t vote for Harris, she reminds me too much of my ex-wife”. At least he’s honest.
I do think this is a huge factor. My lived experience backs this up and the fact that so many women and mostly girl children were abused by powerful men and there’s literally no consequences backs this up. This country has a very serious mysoginy problem and we still can’t even talk about it without having our experiences dismissed and discounted. It’s undeniable that our system enabled the abuse of those women and children from top to bottom and were still not even allowed to talk about that reality. There’s a reason why most women you know have had an experience of sexual violence and no men that most people know have ever had any consequences for this and every time women try to discuss this online the conversation devolves into whataboutism with guys crying and mobbing on women about some guy they know who falsely accused or some issue they had during a divorce that proves all women are liars. Anyway I know I’ll probably get downvoted because honesty on this stuff always does and I’ll vote for a woman for sure but failing to acknowledge the mysoginist problem this country has is a mistake. At the end of the day the real issue is will a candidate who is actually popular with the people be allowed to make it through the corrupt DNC’s primaries?
I agree it’s definitely large factor but I argue that it’s not insurmountable within my lifetime.
https://www.genderontheballot.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025-GOTB-Deck-c4_release.pdf
Sure, four out of ten know of someone that knows someone that expressed they would never vote for a woman president but at the same time 80 percent surveyed would be open to a women candidate.
Now is not the time to shy away from having real competition for progressive women and minorities into government. If anything the data shows it’s time to keep pushing and making progress.
Yeah, going to call bullshit again here.
Let’s take a look at the 2016 election
Popular vote was 65 million Hillary to 62 million to Trump.
Let me repeat here, Hilary, the vaginal candidate, WON the popular vote.
She lost because she didn’t listen to Sanders and other Democrats that told her don’t do your quixotic Southern strategy and listen and talk to your disillusioned working class voters in the rust belt.
And because she’s was a stubborn, neoliberal ass hat that thought she knew better, she lost the electorial college.
As for Harris, fuck, there’s so many things she just did wrong along with Biden.
So again, with all due Internet respect, get out of here with your anti woman BS and America as a whole won’t elect a woman. We just need a non-shitty neoliberal one.
Both she (and Harris) lost because their votes were not in the right zip codes. Biden got those votes. Biden was not a magically better candidate than either woman. There’s only one explanation that makes any sense at all.
Some voters may not even be aware of it. They might not even realize they are giving male candidates the benefit of the doubt, while assuming the worst about female candidates.
Did anyone ever say they couldn’t vote for Bill Clinton or GWB because they didn’t like the way they laughed?
Okay, so let’s get some data behind your Ludacris’ Area Codes Theory of Misogynistic Voting caused the loss of the 2016 and 2024 elections then.
You’re anecdotal evidence of some guy who said they would never vote for Hilary or that one guy who went and said they didn’t like her laugh, the only thing that proves is that America has people that are misogynistic, which of course is true, but isn’t proof of your premise that women can’t win elections. I can point out people that said they wouldn’t vote for her because Harris was black but that doesn’t provide enough of a basis that she lost due to racism. Anecdotal stories does not equal causation.
Here’s some more supporting evidence that Americans are becoming more open to women in office.
https://www.genderontheballot.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025-GOTB-Deck-c4_release.pdf
Some highlights because I’m sure you won’t read:
- four in 10 Americans personally know someone who would not elect a woman to the White House
- 83 percent of people polled think it’s important to elect more women into office.
- 82 percent are open to a qualified woman candidate for president.
So again data allows that women still have a hurdles but supports that a woman can win the presidency and I’ll continue to vote for a qualified progressive women in the primaries to counter your misogynistic vote.
Ask yourself: why did Joe Biden, of all people, win, where Clinton and Harris didnt?
Because he was an already known name that evoked memories of better times. He was Obama’s VP and people liked him in that position, that’s why he won, it’s very simple. Clinton wasn’t VP, wasn’t well liked, and was known to be an unreliable prospect. Harris was not known to the majority of people. Both Clinton and Harris had contentious campaign statements that worried and alienated a significant percentage of their potential voters. Harris, in addition, also was never voted for in a primary, she was simply assigned as Biden’s heir and we were supposed to just run with that and be okay with it. She really never had a chance no matter who she was. Clinton was consistently cringey and reeks of moneyed interests, she was never an attractive option to democratic voters, and would never stand a snowball’s chance in hell of converting any Republican voters like she seemingly wanted to because her husband was one of the favorite Republican whipping boys of all time. They all hate the Clintons, for poorly defined reasons.
Your out of line…but your right
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Correct. She cannot win.
AOC does not move me honestly. I would vote kelly over her. Maybe yang.
That’s just a vote for the aipaic uniparty
Ew
Ya I’m done placating Dems, anyone left of Gavin or Kelly will have my vote. I’ve played it safe the last 2 elections with trump. We need a Hail Mary. Not more complacent. Marks only in this for a personal grudge, which is fine but when it come to big picture he will be just another dem.
I just realized while walking my dog today that a new hard line for me with Democrats is that if you accept corporate / billionaire PAC donations, I’m not donating to your campaign.
I cannot continue to pretend like you will actually give a fuck about my interests when you got into office using mostly money from sources that are actively working against my interests.
I’ll still vote as left as possible in both the primary and the general regardless, but I’m through giving campaign contributions to candidates where my money – and therefore my influence – is a drop in the bucket.
Either the next president will be a Democratic Socialist, or it will be a fascist. Democrats need to get back 20% of their base, plus the margin they need to pick up in the places they need to make up the differences they’ll need to win the big house.
Ask yourself this without looking at this announcement: Can a corporate Democrat do that?
I’m telling you now, either the next president will be a Democratic Socialist, or the Republicans win. No amount of glazing liberals is going to make them capable of winning an election.
Bernie 2028.
People dragging out Bernie in 2028
As a Canadian, can you please stop picking ridiculously old people?
Find someone in the 45-65 year age range, you’re going to get a better outcome that way.
Our oldest Prime Minister in the last 50 years started when he was 65, most of them have been under 50.
I love Bernie, but that ship has sailed. AOC is our next best hope, but we have to back DSA candidates at every level in every race. Even if we succeed, there is a real chance we don’t avoid violence. The Republic of Gilead is already here and the Republican pedo nazis don’t intend to ever allow or accept another fair, democratic election again. They are nothing if not open about that fact.
She cannot win.
You’re getting downvoted, but I agree. Sadly, I don’t think a woman will win the presidential election in the U.S. for at least another decade or two. Too many sexists, and subconscious misogyny
Yes and also being Latina. Many people aren’t ready for that, either. Irrelevant if her heritage is Puerto Rican. Too many idiots don’t recognize that as American.
Still doing the work to get fascists elected I see.
Is he not a democratic socialist?
As long you understand that appeasing your perspective on who the candidate needs to be isn’t important, we should be fine.
If you are BNMW/ Blue MAGA/ ABWD, whatever you want to call it: We don’t need to cater to your perspective. You’ll vote for anyone. Great. We appreciate you taking a back seat, because when previously your perspectives have been centered in the party, Democrats lose those elections to facsists or neoconservatives.
As long as you can accept that you don’t matter when it comes to who Democrats pick to run as president, we’re all good.
You’re not wrong
Getting downvoted for being right about the DNC, yep it’s .world’s politics forum.
I think Gavin’s going to do well even if the left is doing all the work spreading the right’s propaganda about him.
But maybe Bernie will win the primaries and it’ll usher in a new golden age and we’ll overthrow capitalism.
Gavin gives the whole thing to whomever the red fascist is. Period. Just fucking do what you are told this time and we’ll be fine.
Would love it but to old. If AOC ran with him as vice, I would back that.
I will vote for anyone that promises to hurt Republicans
Is there an American equivalent to Lord Buckethead?
Sheriff 10 Gallon Hat perhaps?
Vermin Supreme! Why not elect a real loon!
I am hard pressed to think of a democrat I would vote for in a primary over him.
I’m struggling to think of one I wouldn’t vote for over Kelly, honestly. His voting record is one of the worst in the party, he’s more right wing than Fetterman. He frequently votes in favor of Trump appointees and Republican budgets. He talks a good talk though.
People, please research their positions and voting record. If you only vote based on vibes you’re going to always be disappointed. Remember Fetterman.
ok I do research voting records but only for active canidates in a race I can vote for. not potential.
A lot of lefties going to complain about his support for israel, even if modest. But honestly I cannot see another viable candidate in the wings. We have a couple years still but things are getting scary in terms of actual prospects and we’re going to have to throw our hats in with someone (other than Newsom) so Kelly is probably going to be a great bet, he appeals to the largest swath of moderate America who are tuned out and just want to hear that someone strong and professional will keep them in their comforts, and he has enough established clout with the legislative branch that he already has political capital, they won’t be afraid of working with him.
And he’s seen Earth from space, and had to be a caregiver for a wife who was the victim of a political assassination attempt, I imagine that builds all the best kind of character and empathy.
A lot of lefties going to complain about his support for israel, even if modest.
Really depends on who he is running against and how he positions himself along the way. If he’s out saying “Israel is our oldest and dearest friend, they just made a few mistakes” or god forbid “Anyone critical is anti-Semitic” he’s DOA. If he’s out there saying “We spend billions of dollars so Israel can have clean potable water and top tier health care, so it’s time to bring those amenities back to the US”, he can probably hurdle that criticism well enough.
he appeals to the largest swath of moderate America who are tuned out and just want to hear that someone strong and professional will keep them in their comforts
I mean, Biden appealed to these same voters by adopting half of Bernie Sanders’s platform and half of Hillary Clinton’s. Then he spent four years yelling at people for using TikTok and arguing the need to kill more brown people.
Kelly’s fine on paper, but if he opens his mouth and sounds like another “moderate Dem”… I think he’s going to have the same kind of trouble Cuomo did.
Yeah that was something before trump got in but for democrats like myself the only thing that matters now is getting our house in order. Even then it was not like my top concern more of a hey why are we even involved in this bs but now its something that just is not part of the equation for me. I mean its a strange comparison but its somewhat like obama. Character, intelligence, ability. Honestly the age thing is likely the biggest factor but hoowee compared to we have been having he will still be a pup but who knows how the next two years will go.
