Dear Americans, go fuck yourselves.
Even if you didn’t vote for this imbecile child, nobody cares. You’re all in this shit together!
We are sick and tired of your excuses.
This is your president and this is your country behaving like this.
As a Native American whose citizenship is being argued against in the Supreme Court, whose people have been fighting against the invasion of white people from Europe for centuries and only got the right to vote in 1975: go fuck yourself.
What fault of ours is the invasion of your country by other white people from Europe hundreds of years ago? Our ancestors were the ones who stayed in Europe
Edit: a lot of people seemed to have found the downvote button, but no one seems to have found the answer.
Edit #2: still more downvotes, but nobody has answered my question, just some comments about colonialism and my stupidity.
People are entirely missing the point: why should a grudge against some random other white people that have nothing to do with us stop you from rising up against this white person? Why should we go fuck ourselves because of that? Wake up and do something and stop making excuses.
No one is saying it’s your fault dumbass we’re saying not to blame people being targeted by the fucking Nazis in the USA for this mess. Would you blame the Jewish, Romani, and queer people that got targeted by Nazis for WW2? Think before you comment.
No you idiot I’m talking about the part that we are told to go fuck ourselves because of the invasion of white people into America. Of course I wouldn’t blame Jewish people for WW2, but telling people to go fuck themselves because some other random ass people invaded your country 100s of years ago is moronic.
You guys still have the power to rise up but are making all kinds of excuses so you don’t have to. A Native American person is still perfectly capable of protesting against this regime.
Don’t compare yourselves to the Jewish people in WW2 because things that happened in the camps and on the streets there are far, far worse. Comparing what’s happening in America right now to those atrocities is beyond dumb. Think before you fucking comment.
Moreover, it’s not a europe problem it’s a class problem. It wasn’t the builders, gardeners, and plumbers of Europe deciding to subjugate the world. It was the oligarchs. They were squeezing all they could out of Europe and it wasn’t enough for them. So they dressed it up as duty to the country/religion to expand, but it was a way of enriching themselves.
Many Scottish crofters were also forced off their land during the sheep clearances when the lairds figured out that removing the population and replacing them with sheep was more profitable. They would either buy up the land and evict the crofters or charge them for fabricated crimes and send them to Australia. The place I grew up has a population of around 10% of what it should be because of this practice (that’s after steady growth in the last few decades).
It’s also worth mentioning that a lot of the settlers from Scotland who joined the Hudson Bay company for example, did so because they couldn’t earn enough to survive at home. Both because of taxes from the lairds and low wages.
So yes Europeans moved to America, but for most of them it was a matter of survival, not greed.
I keep seeing so many people saying to hell with all Americans, no matter who, and I feel like this best counters that sentiment. Those in power would love to see us bicker and fight each other over nationality while they reap in the riches. In reality, we’re all on the same side against the oligarchs. We’ve all been fucked over by the rich.
There is no war but the class war. Stand together and unite.
Now don’t get me wrong. If I see American uniforms in my hometown, then I don’t give a fuck if it’s some 18 year old kid who joined for a university scholarship. I’m going to come up behind him with a piano wire. Just because it’s not their decision to be there doesn’t mean I have to put up with it. If you don’t want your kids dying in Europe, do something about your leadership.
Oh absolutely. Being American and an American soldier are two very distinct things. Ones a choice, and the other many of us were born into.
Ah yes I see European solidarity is alive and well. No chance you’ll ever have fascism again over there with statements like that. Truly a bastion of the brightest and best ideals of humanity.
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^ This is what colonialism looks like, yt people
^This is what stupidity looks like
Colonialism? Are you serious? Or seriously out of your mind? Just because some random ass people who happened to come from my country went to another country I have to take “go fuck yourself” from an American who won’t do anything about Trump and get called a colonialist on top of that?
F that
your willful ignorance towards the indigenous is moreso what im referring to
Where am I denying or showing ignorance towards any of it?
You unknowingly told all indigenous people to go fuck themselves. An indigenous person told you that they are struggling and to go fuck yourself. You got your panties twisted and instead of saying " my bad, I agree you guys aint the problem" you doubled down.
Your mindset is one of willful ignorance towards the plight of the indigenous people of the americas. It is a colonizers mindset. Your ignorance towards them makes you feel comfortable looping them in with all the european immigrants that came over and their offspring without a second thought.
This seems as ignorant as the parent comment. Just like they ignored the native population, you’re ignoring whole countries full of white peoples who did not partake in any form of colonialism.
*whose citizenship / whose people
DAMNIT! I am going to blame autocorrect.
As an American who didn’t vote for him, I understand your anger. I feel it too but there are still genuinely good caring people here who do not agree with this monster. Please don’t hold it against all of us.
In any war there are soldiers who don’t wanna be there. Good, honest people, forced to march on because their masters will it.
If they come for my country I will have to shoot them nonetheless.
Take this motherfucker down by any political means necessary and if you can’t, then form your “well regulated militia” that your all too precious 2nd amendment affords you and take back your own country instead of others
As an American, l say that any soldiers that willingly take part in this invasion, even in a support role, are NOT “good honest people”. They are traitors following illegal orders. I fully support you defending your country with lethal force if it comes to that.
I wish that I had more power to stop this, but I don’t. Do what you have to do, and don’t feel guilty about it. Give us the hell we deserve.
Isn’t every invasion like that?
Propaganda machine tells you the enemy is the worst ever, so children pick up the guns and march into death.
Your government is threatening to invade its allies! Our countrymen died fighting side by side with your military in your misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
We don’t have the patience and time to distinguish between good and evil Americans anymore. As long as your country keeps acting like this you’re all guilty!
Please read up about collective German guilt a term coined by the US when your country was still on the right side of history.
Americans spout all about needing their guns to stop a tyrannical government and then a tyrannical governmnet comes along and they don’t take their guns into the streets to stop it.
The venn diagram of Americans who think they need guns to stop a tyrannical government and Americans who support Trump is a circle.
(All kidding aside, while this is still painfully close to true, there are signs it’s changing, such as the recent resurgence of the Black Panthers. However by and large the people who are horrified over the pain and suffering inflicted by the Trump administration are also anti-gun on account of all the pain and suffering they cause. The peaceful, anti-violence, anti-war types are not exactly well equipped–literally or figuratively–to stage an uprising against the government, certainly not one with a military budget the size of Mt Everest)
Because the people afraid of a tyrannical government started supporting the tyrannical. Not to say I hate or am against guns but to think a yokel was going to make a difference in a country this big is absurd. The police are a military force themselves.
I often wonder if the Oklahoma City bombing would happen today by Tim Mcveigh. I mean this is literally the government they feared it’s just that they are targeting the people they hate so they don’t care. If it was the other way around it def would. And Oklahoma has embraced his ideas hell they might have shut down the FBI office in the last few years.
What am I or we supposed to do? The majority of us are broke. I don’t have money to travel to a blue state right now to help resist.
I have a family I very much love and a daughter I want to watch grow up. I know others are losing their ability to be with their families but I’m not putting that at risk unless I absolutely have to and if it was going to make a difference
Was that coined before or after we invited all the nazis here to help with with space program?
Our countrymen died fighting side by side with your military in your misguided wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I really wish NATO nations would have criticized those wars, instead of knowingly sending their troops to die in wars based on lies.
Do something about it.
America has the richest and most heavily armed population on earth. No one feels sorry for your inability to control the actions of your own country.
What in the wet fuck?.. Are you having a fever dream about some alternate reality USA?
Wealth disparity in the USA is higher than basically any country in history. The top 10 people or so have more wealth than the bottom 50%. There are plenty of guns in the USA but the vast majority of people don’t ever come close to owning a gun; the average gun owner has something like 7.5 guns. If you’re looking at the split between pro/anti-fascist demographics the weapon gap is massive.
So yes, the average American is dirt poor and unarmed. Come up with a different way to pin all of your trouble on foreigners.
I guess the alternate reality of the USA that I am dreaming about is the one that actually has measured statistics instead of stupid shit that people make up online.
Here is reality for you:
The US has the second highest MEDIAN income on earth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Median_income 82 million Americans own guns: https://ammo.com/articles/how-many-gun-owners-in-america
If you can hear me in your fever dream, please wake up
Median income doesn’t mean shit when median wealth is barely keeping up with the low end of developed countries. Median US wealth is closer to Estonia or Kuwait than Canada or the UK.
“Stupid shit people make up online”. My brother in christ your own source shows less than 25% gun ownership. That lines up exactly with what I’m saying. What are you smoking?
Is 87 million armed citizens not the largest population is armed people on earth? Cause that’s what I said. Why don’t you try disagreeing with what I said instead of your own imagination?
It’s cute that you think your Yahoo finance article is doing to convince anyone that average are poor when literally every other source refutes it.
Than maybe its time to take some good and caring actions? It’s not enought to see it and be bothered by it.
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What comic is this?
Superman black white and blue (eddit: or maybe red? )
I understand that there are a lot of Americans who did not vote for him or support his actions. But he’s your monster. You need to deal with him.
If you do nothing and stand back while he invades other countries and force them to fight the battles you won’t, then you are neither a good nor caring person.
Ah yes, the tired old “not all men” argument. Nobody cares. If you’re not actively part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
Look at all the Americunts downvoting the truth while they eat their MacDonalds hamburgers
You are forcing us to fight your fight. I am not going to waste time trying to determine who is who.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Just wanted to say - no idea what’s going on in the comments, don’t take it too hard. People are angry. Just as I would not condemn every Russian because Putin is a giant asshole, I wouldn’t condemn every US american. Especially not those in the fediverse - it’s likely you suffer as well under your dictator.
It’s hard to make that distinction. Even in Germany under the jackboot of National Socialism there were still good people, some even dared to take action while others dragged their feet as much as possible without endangering themselves and their loved ones. This is where the difference between guilt and responsibility arises. In my opinion not all US Americans are guilty, just like not all Germans were, yet all US Americans share a responsibility to rid themselves of their political polarisation and the hatred at its root, just like the good people of Germany managed to do in the decades after the war.
I agree. However one can address this responsibility in many ways, depending on ones skills and situation in life. Telling people to just go out on the streets and overthrow the government or get rid of their leaders is an easy appeal, but not everybody is able to translate that into action. Caring for yourself, for your family, your neighbors and your community is what most people care for in the first place. In hindsight it’s always easy to say you would have joined the resistance. Many young Germans today would claim they would have prevented the rise of the Nazis, but I doubt very many of them would have done so.
I’m absolutely with you on that point. The primary concern for the vast majority of people will always be for themselves and their loved ones. It’s the reason fatalistic compliance is so common in dictatorships. I’m convinced that in most countries, including modern day Germany and the modern day United States, people can be led into fatalistic compliance. In France on the other hand I wouldn’t be so certain. Imagine a scenario in which Marine or one of her stooges wins the presidential elections and tries to pull off the same march into fascism as we’re currently seeing from the party formerly known as the Republicans, there would be a general strike and major upheaval in no time.
I don’t condemn every Russian because Putin is a giant asshole, I condemn them because they’re content to “stay out of politics” and let Putin use their country to commit atrocities against their innocent neighbours. I condemn all of those who haven’t taken at least the same risks and efforts that their neighbours are forced to take to defend themselves.
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We know there are lots of great Americans. The world needs you to get off your asses and fix your shit.
Please don’t hold it against all of us.
Sorry, running out of sympathy here. All my life Americans have talked a big game about how anti-tyrant they are, how their democracy is so wonderful and in the event that it fails they’ve got their precious guns to go set things right. Land of the free, home of the brave.
You don’t get to talk that big game and then flip over to “please don’t hold it against us!” Without getting called on it. I keep seeing Americans begging for other countries to come in and “save” them. Isn’t that the problem? Sort your own problems out. The only thing the rest of the world is obligated to do is keep you contained.
Who is begging for a foreign savior? You’re arguing against a strawman caricature you made up in the shower.
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Dude, calm down. I know all of this is anxiety inducing. Americans are dealing with a lot of shit in their own country too. Our energy is better spent on encouraging Americans to keep protesting and resisting.
Yeah but they aren’t. Once a quarter getting together to wave signs isn’t protesting. They aren’t resisting. Look to almost every other country to see what actual protests are. What actual resistance is.
Permits to hold a rally with signs isn’t it.
Yeah but they aren’t.
That’s some confidently incorrect shit right there.
How the fuck do you know what’s happening or not happening when media refuses to cover it, or worse, does cover it but downplays it in such a way that thousands of people showing up turns into “some protesting occurred today in downtown Minneapolis.”
Actual resistance is what got the National Guard ordered out of LA, Portland, and Chicago, and why ICE is increasingly departing Minneapolis proper for places further out in more rural Minnesota. But you don’t know that, because you’re sopping up headlines and nothing else, if that much.
Look to almost every other country to see what actual protests are. What actual resistance is.
At this point, all I have to do is look past you and at my neighbors and fellow citizens: we know what we’re up against in ways that are clearly over your own head, and we’re showing up. We don’t need your discouragement and ignorance but if that’s all you have, that’s all you have.
Ok bud. If you think you’re doing enough to fight fascism by holding a sign, good for you.
Your elected government has 42% approval rating.
Your opposition party has posted a few memes.
There has been lots of strongly worded letters.
No one can come to save you. If you think you’re doing enough, i support you.
Hopefully your demonstrating will finally end the fascist regime.
I know what id do if it happened in my country.
Waaaah Waaaah Waaaah
You’re free to go march down to your local government office and demand that every US plutocrat’s assets be siezed today. Are you doing that? I’m going to play by your rules and assume no because I didn’t see a headline. I really doubt you “know what you’d do” if you can’t even do that much tough guy
Until they go on a nationwide general strike, sustained until it reaches its objective, they are condoning the administration
To be honest the time for protesting and resisting was about 10 years ago. Once they’re done weeding out undesirables over appearances they’ll go for ideologies and values soon.
And all the other fascist countries that don’t fix their shit either and have been dealing with the fascism longer? Were new to this, give us a min to figure it out.
Many of us Americans are working on it. Meanwhile, it took the EU 14 years to begin to punish Hungary for Orban. The Serbs have been protesting for more than a year and still have yet to lead to lasting change. I could go on.
I know this is going to sound like a lazy American trying to do whataboutism, but I’m really just trying to say political change takes time and part of the danger of all of these leaders is how unresponsive they are and difficult they make it to change—especially the more powerful the state aparatus for violence they wield is.
Additionally, the US has regularly scheduled elections which makes just marginally harder to change governments unlike a ministerial system where snap elections can be called.
We can easily whataboutism to point to all the country leaders who are playing the game with Trump, saying they don’t agree but then when called on it don’t do much of anything to stop him. Compare this to Hitler and his first moves, the same things happened. Other leaders tsked and wagged fingers, the ones that didn’t just shrug it off as a temporary thing. It’s absolutely an American problem that should be dealt with here first and foremost, and that’s more complicated than a forum finger pointing can cover, but there’s blame to go around in different quantities. The whole economic tariff crap as an example - the world needs to stop playing with him and trying to come out profiting by cooperating. Shut it down, stop trading with the US, period. You don’t put out a fire by gently waving at it, you cut off its fuel.
Well said about tariffs. Von der Leyen should just use her “trade bazooka.” letting him set the rules of the game is exactly how he used the media to gain power in the first place: by breaking “norms” they went all Surprised Pikachu and couldn’t stop covering him and look where that got us.
You aren’t new to this, hitler got most of his ideas from americans.
You’re right, just like the incessant comparisons between ICE and the Gestapo conveniently gloss over ICE’s much closer resemblance to slave catcher patrols. They refuse to admit this is a very, very old and well-established movement in their country. The problem is that they never decisively put down the Confederacy.
Europe has been a vassal state of the US for years. It was clear that America has been spiraling towards fascism, and European leadership did not admit it, even if they recognized it. Europe should have developed their militarizes and not relied on the US military for decades for their protection.
What the US is doing is wrong, and Europe should have seen this was possible, and took actions to prevent it from being possible. Instead of focusing all of your anger towards Americans, reserve some anger for the leadership that has failed you, and allowed this to happen.
Europeans don’t realize they’re the eastern
romanus empireThe stronger much richer half that lasts for another thousand years?
I dont really care for either of the halves, I’m just saying they are the eastern west, and the us is the western west. They are one half of the western/american empire. After reagan and the cold war ended, nato seems like a raw deal for europe? america got a lot out of it in terms of weapons deals
You’re confusing the complex dynamics of international relations of democratic EU member states and its 450 million citizens with the psychology of a single person.
The EU isn’t just an entity that can make decisions. European leaders change all the time. Many decisions at the EU level can be vetoed by a single member state. There are many people, even political parties who have wanted a European military for a long time. But… there are others who didn’t.
What you’re seeing is one person, presumably from Europe, who is angry with Americans. There are other Europeans who feel bad for Americans and yet others who don’t read any news at all.
Most revolutions only succeed when they have backing from third-party countries. Maybe learn some history before making dumbass, unhelpful remarks 🙄
This is what no theory does to a mf
The American people as a whole are not the ones to blame for their capitalist dictators doing imperialism. You can and absolutely should shame all of the individual fascists that support even a little of what’s going on, Republican or not, but there are so many people who are against this and are also victims within this capital of global imperialism, either by being driven to poverty despite there being enough resources for everyone to thrive, either by literally being hunted in the streets by state goons.
You should instead be giving inspiration to the American people so that they unite, organize and resist, to liberate both themselves and also the rest of the world from their own rulers.
Getting real fucking sick of Europeans saying shit like this. You spent the last 70 years benefiting from the U.S.'s obscene military spending, and now you’re whining that the superpower has gone mad and come for you. Well, it turns out the imperial boomerang doesn’t just describe the people getting beaten and shot by militarized thugs in American streets. It also describes the countries that sat back and watched the U.S. empire grow, occasionally clucking their tongues in disapproval while happily lapping up the benefits of an imperialist ally.
The empire has come for all of us now. Find solidarity with those who want to fight it or surrender, but throwing up your hands and saying, “it’s not my fault, you fix it,” sure as shit isn’t helping anyone.
Dear American Administration*
No. You still don’t get it.
Yes, I do get it. I live here and I disagree with the administration.
Last time I checked, literally nobody here is in support of us invading Greenland. Just the muck at the top.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx
Gallup ratings record a 36% approval and 60% disapproval. Also your chart shows a positive trend for disapproval and negative trend for approval, which would indicate people are not content with his decisions, supporters or not.
It’s nice to be able to brag about how democratic your country is until the administration that your democracy put into power starts doing awful things. Then suddenly “please forgive us, this has nothing to do with us.”
You act as if I flaunt US democracy, which I didn’t, and like there’s only 1 party that we could’ve voted for, which there isn’t.
There’s two parties you could have voted for, you put the other one in charge in the previous term and it didn’t help.
The problem is that America is democratic and it’s getting the government that its voters are demanding.
Damned if we did, damned if we didn’t.
There’s these things called “primary elections” you could be using to get better candidates.
Yes…I agree….
Those Epstein files must be absolutely fucking insane for Donny.
We got <1% of the files, heavily redacted and it was still fucking wild. I cannot imagine how batshit fucking crazy the actual files are
What if Q was someone deeply embedded in the Epstein shit, but also a right-wing fascist so they just spun it all as Democrats doing all the evil shit?
Sounds like you’re describing the whole “every accusation is a confession…” projection shit that the GOP has been doing for 40 years.
We know who Q is. It’s Ron Watkins.
Probably like even worse than the Sasha Riley accusations.
It’s not just insane for him… pretty much all of the political power of the Middle East is also in those files. It has a reach that goes beyond borders of the US so they’re actually scared about what will happen when Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Muhammad bin Nayef, Netanyahu, etc all show up in pictures and financial records.
The orange thing must’ve raped loads of children to go to these lengths to distract from it all.
The thing is, in the current US i don’t see him being affected by it no matter how horrific the contents are
Donald Trump is America’s Jimmy Savile.
…except Epstein files are the distraction.
Maybe the Epstein files were the friends we made along the way.
so hot they’re literally on fire right now.
Yeah America is getting cooked for the next couple decades at least. Even if Trump literally dies tomorrow and his successor backs out no one is trusting them for a long time.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1. Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
American society
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1.
Americans didn’t seem to care, the rest of the world was screaming top of our collective lungs
Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
Business people are soulless ghouls so that could happen… but the regular people can hold a grudge. Look at how Canada’s population has rejected anything USA even when the Gov was all appeasement and boot licking until this speech… also remember how much Americans seem to hate Russia and Communism even though most can barely point to one in the map or understand the definition of the other in the dictionary
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
Again, you are judging the world on the template of Muricans
You conflate internal and international politics.
The tide is turning.
Checks and balances have to get a whole lot stronger before anyone trusts the US long term.
We need to deny the United States that marketing, then. Hollywood is failing right now. We need to make sure it doesn’t recover.
Unfortunately the damage is done. Nations that were asleep at the wheel so to speak and just complacent with the world order arangement have woken up to the danger and risk of doing that. Europe is not going to rely on the US for security anymore no matter who is in charge.
There will be agreements and treaties and shit like that, but our global power is waining (as will the dollar).
It’s not just that, I meant more from an international geopolitics POV.
Countries are also for example getting rid of US dollar in favour of gold and silver, or investing in non-US solutions or income streams for many problems technical, agricultural, medical etc because the US might tariff them for no fricking reason. People are no longer looking as much to US as a place where they can settle with their families long term, or a place to conduct research because a large population is brainwashed into being anti-science and anti-immigrant.
rapist, pedophile
I would like this to be true (which is fucked up when you think about it), but do we actually have hard evidence or is this still just speculation? Sure, a lot of information indicates that Trump & co has been involved in sexual abuse with Epstein. Not trying to be a troll or bait, but we need to base our claims on facts and evidence or else we will become just like Trump & co - liars and conspirators.
Well, he was found civilly liable for rape, so I’d say that one is settled. As for pedophilia, we have a lot of circumstantial evidence, and he’s literally blocking the release of the hard evidence, so I’d say most reasonable people can come to that conclusion.
He is an adjudicated rapist.
As for the pedophilia, his various comments over the years sexualizing minors (including his own daughter), eyewitness accounts of him entering teen pageant dressing rooms unannounced, his close friendship with Epstein, and his general unwillingness to cooperate with releasing unredacted versions of the files are just about all the evidence you need to have a reasonable suspicion that he is involved with the trafficking or rape of children. Unfortunately we probably won’t know the whole truth until after he leaves office or dies because we live in a clown country where the chief executive is immune to consequences.
Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
It remains to be seen if you’ll ever have free elections again. You might become a dictatorship well before then.
People forget really fast.
Do they, really?
Remember how noone says “it was just Hitler and his thugs”, no, the world correctly identifies deeply rooted problems within the German mindset and German society of the time as major contributing factors to what ultimately led to the catastrophe we know as WWII and the Holocaust. Militarism, blind obedience before orders and oaths, blaming others.
Even today, Germans are very often confronted with their Nazi past, usually by Americans who think their sense of humor is superior when they crack a dumb Nazi joke (I would like to get a Euro every time I read “I did nazi this coming” on the internet).
No, people do NOT forget. And they don’t care who you are - a perpetrator or someone who was opposed to what happened and apologized for their country. They don’t even care if you knew.
“I didn’t vote for this” is fast becoming the new “I didn’t know anything about it”.
I’m German, so take it from me - sorry, Americans, I wish it was different, but the world will not distinguish what you think about what happened, they will only see an American. People are simple and will always blame the collective.
My granddad was shot by the Wehrmacht for defection, but the world will always just see the Nazi soldier.
And we also see your fighter jet flyovers at the super bowl, the glorification of your military, the gun cult, the lack of social laws and how every single person in America has to fend for themselves. This lack of empathy is a deeply rooted problem in the American mindset and I view it as a contributing factor that enabled Trump.
That’s because its something that is taught to every generation on purpose in pretty much every school system around the world. Most stuff is not something you learn in school, while it is alot.
People, yes, countries, no
Japan forgot they were in war with a country. There are probably more examples.
Can Trump just… not? When is the grim reaper coming for him? PLEASE I hope every night he dies the next day (legally and naturally).
This doesn’t stop with Trump. They voted for Trump and they voted for the congress that protects him. They will just pick another person that does the same thing, but probably sounds less stupid while doing it. This is an America problem.
Nah. This specific thing is all him.
Edit: shit, and Stephen miller, but he’s gone with trump I think.
He would have been legally fired a long time ago if he was alone.
His voters support him and are clueless about his actions and the world. Most republican representatives are just going along with it because he’s so powerful with his cult.
“His voters” being most of the people that cast votes in the presidential election, so yeah, its really not “just him” is it?
They don’t support his ideas and actions. They’ve never thought about most of them. They support him and if he switched stances tomorrow they would follow.
He has some kind of magical hold on his cult members. Of course the conservative propaganda machine (Fox, Newsmax, OANN, Twitter, TikTok) are so adeptly tuned to keep them brainwashed, but Trump himself is a once in a generation talent for leading the cult.
Really I’m so impressed at how efficient the propaganda machine keeps the base so angry and so oblivious to reality. It’s completely terrifying, but really really effective.
The magical hold is simply telling them what they want to hear. They are responding to their racist fascist desires being validated.
I beg to differ. His cult is hard carrying. Republican politicians don’t mind reversing all their opinions at the drop of a hat because opposing his cult has proven to be (until recently) political suicide. The [legal and natural] death of Donald Trump would leave the party in shambles. Susie Wiles and Stephen Miller need a figurehead and there isn’t any that can court maga.
It definitely does continue to some extent. He’s not only the cause but also a symptom of a rotten society. However, he is a once in a generation talent at leading the cult. While Vance is “fully enlightened” (as Yarvin and Thiel have said), he can’t command that same kind of magical hold on the cult.
Trump is a symptom, not the cause.
100% but he does have a magical hold on so many idiots. The conservative machine knows this is a once in a generation occasion so they’re trying to accomplish everything before he’s gone. Once he’s gone, Vance won’t be able to control that rabid base as well.
It’ll still be a nightmare I’m sure, but not as bad.
He’s a fetish or a lightning rod, without him there’s a solid chance the movement loses cohesive flow. Its far easier to kick a concussed coyote by itself than a pack of the things.
Hoping the problem just resolves itself and doing nothing will, well, so nothing.
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options!!!”
Some of these comments are awful. Apparently, if we all aren’t wrapping ourselves and children with explosives and becoming Jihadists overnight, we’re not doing enough.
This is a class war. The rich have taken over all the checks and balances in our system to where they can break every rule and comfortably get away with it; all the while getting richer and us poorer. We’re powerless and spread too thin geographically to do anything meaningful. Maybe we do need to get that radical, but I really hope it doesn’t ever need to get to that point.
Here are concrete steps we can take to combat this (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for a General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We’ll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).
Nobody is blaming you for what Trump is doing. Nobody is asking you to become terrorists and this hyperbole is extremely unhelpful. We are blaming you for the fact that we’re not seeing protests every day that make the BLM protests seem like small gatherings. You guys are way past the point of being able to hope. Do something today. This is your country, so it’s your responsibility.
We are blaming you for the fact that we’re not seeing protests every day…
This is just not possible and the rich are banking on that. It would have to become much much worse before people will risk their own employment, access to medical benefits, and personal security so that we can march.
It’s easy to suggest those things but in reality it’s just not going to happen.
It’s easy to suggest those things but in reality it’s just not going to happen.
It’s even easier to make excuses for not doing it.
Ok but there is quite a way between going oh I don’t like what’s happening on social media and blowing yourself up.
Write to your representatives and make it extremely clear that if they want to be reelected they will stand up to Trump.
Massive protests, the No Kings protest were good but then you all kind of just gave up. Nothing violent but just a stubborn refusal to go along is all that is required. Boycott companies that support Trump, don’t buy the next iPhone (it’s basically the same phone every year anyway), don’t go to FIFA, don’t go to the Olympics, go to as many town meetings as you can and raise points of order and complain. Make it even possible for the powers that be to ignore the situation.
Just imagine you’re a French dock worker complaining about industrialisation.
Some of these comments are awful. Apparently, if we all aren’t wrapping ourselves and children with explosives and becoming Jihadists overnight, we’re not doing enough.
LOL right… maybe just stop the endless excuses and do something, anything… stop consuming, hold a march on a weekday, write to your corrupt Senator or House Rep weekly
The real problem here is that you have given the world Chlamydia but want to sit there pretending it is not your fault and any effort on your part is just asking too much
Agreed
Californian here.
There’s really no possible way I’ll ever have any sort of faith in my country again. I won’t go out of my way to help it. I’ll always default to assuming it’s a bad actor and that I need to protect myself from it. From here on out I’m a Californian, not an American.
Orange dipshit will die. Sooner than later. But the country will still be full of irredeemably stupid assholes. I don’t feel any allegiance to that. It only serves to make me feel nauseous.
This is why we will never trust you guys again up here in Canada. Even if Trump and his crew all died tomorrow and somehow the friendliest, nicest person became the president, it wont matter. The relationship is done for.
I realize to most Americans that doesnt mean much but its also how the rest of the world sees you. You guys are toxic. Maybe not as individuals. But as a nation.
Welcome to the sensible German’s approach to “patriotism”. Definitely after WW2, but absolutely relevant again. Our governments have been full of shit ever since, with surprisingly the only non-selfish head of state having been the conservative Mrs. Merkel, whom no one expected it of. She still did spearheaded a government with fucked up social politics, but at least not for personal gain (only for that of her buddies in industry) - which is arguably a low bar to clear. Anyways, the bottomline is: I’m a human first, European second, a lot of things then, and a German only by some piece of paper.
I’ve started to civilly disobey by removing myself from the economy as much as possible.
Cancelling my car insurance felt like a rite of passage.
Foreigner here. I know you civilians don’t control the government anymore & many of us see your hands are tied, but if Americans really want to stop wars, then stop enlisting in any branch of your military except the coast guard. Every other branch is primarily used for invasion. If you’ve already enrolled/are trapped by the military, try to become a conscientious objector.
And FFS, arm yourselves (civilians) to the teeth. The tyrannical government your Founding Fathers envisioned has arrived.
The problem with this is that the military is the only path out of poverty that provides socialized healthcare and paid educational benefits for large portions of our population. I think people outside of the USA don’t understand how the lack of worker protections, healthcare, debt based education and exploding homelessness crisis keeps Americans in bondage
If I miss a week of work I’m homeless. There’s some people a single day can bring them down. They precariously positioned us here so by the time we’ll do anything about it it’ll be too late as they sweep us over the edge.
A lot of us are armed. But you know that orange turd would order the military to bomb complete cities. We would be taking on the world’s most powerful military.
But. I do agree with you. That what it’s going to take. We just need to organize.
A lot of us are armed. But you know that orange turd would order the military to bomb complete cities. We would be taking on the world’s most powerful military.
Yes, you have made grave mistakes for many years that led you to this very deep hole… now they climb back is not going to be a walk in the park but either you do it or die in the hole
Having only people who are willing to do atrocities in the military is not going to magically make it better lmfao, nor will it stop it
Given the fact that the navy were quite happy to kill a bunch of unarmed civilians and then come back a second time when some of them didn’t appear to be dead enough, doesn’t give me a lot of hope that there’ll be a lot of conscientious objectors in the military. My view is that if you’re already looking at the military as a career option you’ve got a certain opinion about killing and that opinion is that it’s okay to do it as long as someone else gave you the order. Absolutely no need to think about the legality of the order either.
Advocating moral responsibility for your actions is kind of a prerequisite of military service.
Each of the branches have long had many global peacetime missions, including humanitarian. They don’t offset the offensive nature of a deployed force, but it can be a good thing to have for delivering defense and aid.
The problem isn’t the enlisted. It is also not limited to the officers. The problem, at present, is primarily the civilian leadership being absolutely unprofessional, unethical, and self-centered.
I’m so tired of these “Ackchyually” excuses, pretending to be smart yet failing to see you are still pointing the finger at your collective selves
Those “civilian leadership being absolutely unprofessional, unethical, and self-centered” were appointed by the regime of the Orange Pedophile whom the American people voted for a second term in office… the vast majority of Americans either voted for this or could not be bothered opposing it with a simple vote they could have mailed in
I’m not “pretending to be smart”, at least not intending to do so. I’m just saying exactly what I said. The military branches all have some non-offensive parts of their mission. That’s just true. Airlift for aid delivery has traditionally been part of the mission, for example. I was also careful not to exonerate them for missions that cause harm or for violation of LOAC or UCMJ. They should know better.
I said the enlisted aren’t the primary problem. Maybe you think they pick and choose their missions, but they simply don’t. As far as voters… yeah many of us are pissed too. What do you want me to do? I vote, I try to persuade others to, try to do my part to keep the electorate informed, try to feed my family, etc. Are you asking us to build some fifth column or some such? That sounds great, but many have a lot of context that informs their decisions.
Let me ask you this. I believe this is true but let’s pretend it’s just a hypothetical scenario:
Democracy in the USA is over, no more elections, everyone lives under martial law and your precious enlisted are your direct oppressors now.
What are you willing to sacrifice to return your country to Democracy? your life? an hour of watching Netflix?
Let me remind you that you ARE in this scenario and the longer you wait, the harder it will be
I’m an immigrant, living in Europe, taking care of a few people that need me. I’m also a veteran with prosthetic discs in my back. Be specific; what do you suggest?
I should also add, to answer your question. I would absolutely lay down my life for the cause, but unless I can see a direct line from that to success, there is still a big, complex risk benefit equation I’m working on.
Since you already left America, I guess you did see the writing on the wall long ago (or maybe just got lucky)
Thinking you were in the USA, I was hoping you’d stop consuming as much as possible and start organizing marches… not on weekends to minimize disruption, on weekdays and preferably during peak hours so they can be noticed (and yes that can be done in whatever little town or big city people live, no need to pretend only marching in DC works)
Whatever you do, do NOT accept a payment to leave. This is YOUR land, YOUR country, YOUR inheritance in this world
Plus, you know, you’re dealing with a professional scammer. I guarantee you that you will never see a dime if you accept and leave
Good thing Genocide Joe was stopped
That wasn’t one of the reasons that a bunch of absolute fucking morons didn’t vote.
If the usa was gonna come crashing down, the earlier the better
It’s behind a paywall and I’m not giving Bloomberg money
Yea fuck bloomburg
I seriously cannot picture this happening. More of Trump’s dementia addled Twitter rambling. Even the puppets pulling his strings wouldn’t want this.
I mean, crazier shit has happened, but I see the US going full Handmaid’s Tale long before I see them invading a self-governed nation full of almost exclusively white people.
My money would be on Russia making that play before the US.
Even the puppets pulling his strings wouldn’t want this.
One of those string-pullers is Stephen Miller, who is obviously mentally deranged and maybe even sub-human. A living embodiment of all the cringey super-villain speeches made by incels since the millenium.
He absolutely wants war and suffering.
It won’t happen, it was never going to happen, but Trump will throw such shit-fits they’ll basically give him the equivalent of what he’s asking for so he shuts up. See also the Nobel Peace Prize he strongarmed. It wasn’t technically taken by force but it’s in his hands now, innit.
It’s so bizarre seeing people capitulate to toddler tantrums. We’re all being held hostage by an ipad kid.
How exactly does one prepare for invasion?
There are a lot of ways to prepare for an invasion. They range from the personal (stock up on food, find a safe place) to the societal (arm yourselves, prepare defenses, organize militia or resistance cells).
Nobody is denying the US would flatten Greenland but they can make governing the people impossible. Thats the point of resistance.
Arm the polar bears.
In Greenland specifically, it means staring wistfully out at the ice and ocean and considering your life choices.
Just fucking sad.
Just fucking sad
Its a lot worse than that, its world war 3
Maybe the alien invasion from outer space we were expecting since Independence day. was just the Americans using either their space force toys or the solar warden fleet to take over the world?
Alien abductions always seemed like fascist black bagging to me.
ITT: Americans once again diging up the nuanced difference between the people and the government from the memory hole they dumped it in the last time Russia was mentioned.
Difference is that Russia’s experience with democracy basically amounted to a brief but insincere flirtation during the 1990s, while Donald Trump and the Congress that enables him were democratically elected by the American people. Trump even won the popular vote this time.
If anything, I’d say that makes it even more glaring.
