- Nothing wrong with a service existing.
- Racist to assume that only people belonging to a certain race use these apps.
- The apps are exploitative, sure. Advocate for better labor regulations here.
This is the equivalent of saying “don’t wanna make your own coffee? Go to Tim Hortons to be served by lower class Indians”. Same message, but with the racism highlighted.
I have mobility issues, and neurological ones as well. It was a mistake for me to use DoorDash because it’s convenient and for someone who suffers from being a shut in an expensive but perfect tool. I’d like food delivery though that wasn’t explotive.
Fuck off.
Outrage successfully manufactured!
(It’s far more racist to assume only minorities work for Door Dash than it is to imply whatever the fuck this shit tier meme is trying to say)
It’s far more racist to assume only minorities work for Door Dash
Yeah agreed. Racial profiling is still racial profiling, using euphemisms like “lower class” and “minority” instead of the usual slurs doesn’t make it okay.
Agreed. Granted, it’s anecdotal, but everyone bringing my food (though, it’s been about 10 years) was (or appeared to be) white and all had a better vehicle than me.
This meme is the exact way outside influences have sabotaged all of our social messaging and desires for a better future.
A lot of people who think they’re progressive are going to latch onto this idea and start saying dumb shit like “Doordash is racist” and they will get scorn and eye-rolling from literally everyone else, ruining the actual thing we should be recognizing, which is the wealth inequality that pushes people to deliver other people’s food using their own car and without healthcare or benefits.
Doordash’s problems have nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the wealthy pinching off our lives at every possible avenue.
Not sure where you’re from, but it is becoming increasingly common in the West that non-white immigrants from the global south tend to do delivery jobs. It’s not necessarily that it’s racist, it’s just that locals don’t want to do these jobs and immigrants do them instead.
I live in the PNW. And most of the time when we get DD, they’re white as the driven snow. So, if we’re using anecdotal experience- I’d say it’s the opposite.
Maybe it’s best we all start learning that the world isn’t just what happens on our own doorsteps.
I could say the same to you. It’s a broader trend that migrants from global south do plenty of delivery jobs. I’m not trying to discount your experience, but there are exceptions and outliers when it comes to statistics. Since you mentioned you are from PNW, just look across the border to Canada, and an often complain by racists is Indians working in convenience stores or delivery. And I’m like “what are you complaining? Who’s going to do delivery for you or serve you in shops?” Same thing here in Europe, Indians working in convenience stores and South Americans delivering. The racists complain of poc migrants doing low skill job and not integrating, and yet can’t live without ordering migrants to deliver food for them or working in shops. Britain has had issue of shortage of truck drivers after Brexit, especially during the pandemic. You’d think the white Britons who voted to leave the EU would learn their lesson, and yet they are close to electing a far right, anti-immigrant party that cosies up to Russia into power.
and this is why we shouldn’t allow anecdotal experience to take the place of factual information.
Both posters seem to be relying on anecdotal evidence and what they “feel” is correct.
I think part of it has to do with the fact that the jobs don’t require you to speak English. I’ve also seen a decent share of deaf food delivery people for the same reason.
I’ve also seen a decent share of deaf food delivery people for the same reason.
That is news to me. It is actually sounds equitable to me to give deaf people such jobs. It reminds me of when the South Korean Supreme Court ruled in favour of only allowing blind folks to become massage therapists in S.Korea, because it is only one of the few jobs that blind people could do without being hindered by disability and have a means for living. And it doesn’t make the client feel uncomfortable if the massage therapist can’t see well so it’s a win-win for everyone. The policy is actually a legacy of Japanese colonialism, which is only one of a handful of colonial policies that proved to be a net positive for Korea.
While I think these apps are exploitative on both sides (exploiting laziness/convenience and exploiting workers), I think implying that people who use delivery services are racist, classist, or both, is a very “internet” thing to do.
Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas. A little walk in the real world, as opposed to Lemmy or Twitter or Bluesky, might help rebalance things.
Consider folks with disabilities or those who don’t own cars. I really don’t see the problem of a delivery service like DoorDash or UberEats that would pay its workers a living wage.
The reason those are unethical is that they don’t treat their workers as employees, and don’t pay enough. If someone started a generic-delivery service that used employed workers that are paid a living/thriving wage, didn’t request tips, had set fees, had customer service reps, and maybe had workers wear cams while on the shift as a security measure… would that not be worth supporting?
Hey, I totally agree with you.
The concept behind these apps is fine, even helpful. I’ve used these types of apps when I’ve been unwell and couldn’t get to the shops. I’m not forgetting people who are disabled. I don’t own a car.
I agree, an app that provided a similar service that took care of its employees would be fine. An app that provided a similar service without jacking the prices up massively and pushing junk food would be great.
I know and agree with you that the poor treatment and underpayment of workers is a problem.
Yes, of course your alternative app would be worth supporting.
We do not seem to be in any disagreement here.
Perhaps it would be healthy if OP went outside for Christmas.
Don’t worry I will have to go to my horrible laboring job.
The kind that only lower class minorities work? /s in case it wasn’t obvious
Yes that one. Literally mostly lower class minorities. Why the sarcasm?
Are you familiar with the clip of that person saying like, “Well Mr Trump, if you deport all the Mexicans, who will clean your toilets?”
I’m only asking cos this feels like the same situation. I think you’re pointing at a wider problem which is legit, but the way you’re expressing it is really hamfisted.
I think the problem here is that I didn’t make the meme and wouldn’t have made it about minorities. I think it’s bad that someone has to deliver food for a bad living, no matter the race.
But I find a lot of people here are making excuses about how they really really need their nuggies delivered by people deliberately kept poor and they can’t just put frozen ones into the oven themselves.
Ha, yeah I’m on board with your second point, man.
Thank you that’s nice. There have been special situations, where even I have ordered delivery. Also not everyone needs to have the exact same rules for this as me.
But still, I see this with acquaintances as well: Those who can afford it start using a lot of the working time of poorer people.
am I at lemmy meme.ml? lol
Walk 10 mins…? What bull shit magic fantasy land do you hail form that ANYTHING is a 10 min walk away. The nearest fast food to me would be like just shy of a 2 hour walk at an avg pace.
For most people getting anywhere is like 8-12 miles here in America if not further.
Pretty much every country except for the USA seems to be a bull shit magic fantasy land. At least when living in any kind of larger city.
Canada is the same as USA in that regard. The only restaurant in 10 minutes walking distance to my place is Wendy’s. Anything good is 30 to 60 minutes walk or 5-10 minutes drive.
I can walk to a spot, but it’s 15 Minutes there and then again back, plus getting dressed, plus waiting for my order. I could order pick-up of course, but at that point I would have to use the same app I can use to get it delivered. Can I spare an hour for dinner? When I’m meeting someone, of course. Several even. But when I just need to eat something, I’m not going to.
This may not necessarily apply to you, but those 30 minutes of walking would do wonders for the overall health of your average American.
Can I spare an hour for dinner?
If it’s more affordable for you to order someone else to drive through the city to bring you food that someone cooked for you then there’s something nefarious going on.
Wdym more affordable? I pay extra. I buy an hour of lifetime for like 3€. Sounds like a great deal to me.
Hi, yes, that’s a very USian issue. We here don’t believe in the separation of residential and commercial areas.
Sim City taught me that causes something called “congestion “ and the sims get pretty pissed about it.
Seems like USAians are very happy with congestion.
well I have like 10 restaurants within 10 mins walk…
Then you’re a privileged person who shouldn’t be shitting on people who don’t have it as good as you.
No I’m not I just live in a different country. Still poor, I would be the person working this job if I didn’t have another bad job already.
Money is not the only form of privilege.
There are 8 billion people on this world. You and your experiences account for about 0.000000012% of the human experience. You’re absolutely stupid if you think your experience is anything like what others are. You live in a privileged city as a privileged person. You can talk about workers right without being a complete and utter ass clown about it. Please learn how to.
Do you not understand you and your experiences equates to fuck all to me nor anybody else besides yourself and or those in close proximity to you.
You’re a narcissist clown who would rather shove his fingers ears in his ears and keep feeling superior then realize that that is NOT the norm for almost everybody.
You would rather deny people their own experiences than admit your experience is not universal.
You are the epitome of “boomerism”. It’s all about me and I’m always right.
You can talk about yourself and your experiences. That’s fine. What you can’t do is be a privileged insufferable cunt about it and insist that your experiences trump every else’s.
I hate to be the person to throw a brick into a spinning washing machine, but chill out.
You’re probably talking to somebody who would agree with you, someone who would be a friend.
You have a lot of absolutely righteous and justified anger about a situation that they’re attempting to make light of. I can see how you would take that personally. I also would take it personally if I were in your shoes.
Even though this situation is what it is, it’s still a good idea to attempt to drizzle a little honey on the words that you use to communicate it with them so that you can pull them to your side and explain your reasoning without pushing them out of the social group, right?
What bull shit magic fantasy land do you hail form that ANYTHING is a 10 min walk away.
The American mind literally cannot comprehend the default state of being in Europe
My lazy as SIL and her boyfriend will doordash food that’s a block away from the house.
I am so glad to be living in Seattle. I have at least 2 food trucks at breweries a 2 min walk away, sometimes 4 trucks. There’s also a Chinese place we love going to once a month for their to go boxes that’s about 6 mins away. But don’t live downtown or apartments all around (not that it would be bad, just making a point). It’s great to be walkable without all the noise.
Other cities need this but we gotta get rid of suburbia and most lawns really.
Ok, just replace the word “walk” with “drive” and the point still stands for most of the rest of america. In fact it shows even more laziness as driving is much easier.
This was the biggest culture shock I saw moving to NORAM, and other is MRP(maximum retail price). Back home, nearest convenience store sells an item at same price as any other place except for bulk grocery.
Two semi disabled folks here, the services are a godsend but I always tip. People don’t tip here, our last rider said we were the first tip in 3 days. :(
Tipping is communism, comrade.
How often do you use delivery?
Once or twice per week, give or take, mostly for small supplemental grocery orders. I have a shop that’s close but sometimes I just can’t.
I feel like grocery orders are a totally different animal. They can be delivered in bulk with a truck, going from house to house. It’s totally possible to pay a good wage there. But the individualized a single driver can only deliver a single order at a specific time of day seems made for exploitation (Edit: There’s a sentence in there somewhere, sorry). You’re not going to earn a fair wage here because then it would have to cost as much as idk a visit to a barber.
Anyways, no hate towards you, it’s probably hard enough, I understand.
Yeah! We use Morrison’s delivery too which is different from Deliveroo (EU Doordash). I try to prioritise that. :)
Every three days if I had to guess
They can cook my food all day, but only racists have it delivered 😡😡
If the middle man app wasn’t so exploitative, I don’t see what the issue is.
We’ve had delivery as a middle class job for decades with milkmen and paperboys, the issue is that those jobs aren’t paying living wages anymore.
Okay, that’s just plain ol’, made up non-sense. No one in the USA walks
Duh
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The way you’re proud of 30 minutes of walking a day basically confirms their point.
I can’t see their comment but everyone should get some exercise in their day. I take a bus in my town which I acknowledge isn’t available to 90% of rural communities but getting out, even in the winter, and walking is good for you. I usually bike in the warmer months, again not always the best option in single family communities. Don’t blame me for Big Oil robbing you of fundamental ease of transportation
I wasn’t trying to ridicule or sound dismissive (but I accidentally did, I swear it wasn’t on purpose), it was just a bit funny to me that 30 minutes of walking a day counts as “actually we do walk around, even though I live in the most walkable county in the country”. Not funny in ha-ha sense, more like funny in “what the fuuuuck” sense.
One time I ordered lunch fron Doordash and it never came, I checked the food tracker and it was somehow in AUSTRALIA.
I don’t believe that.
I mean no shit, the food didn’t REALLY end up in Australia. Burger King would’ve had to SEVERELY mess up for it to end up 9,496 miles away from my house.
Who ask for delivery from a store that’s 10 minutes walking?
More like one hour walking, any food would be long cold before I come home. And I don’t own a car. The delivery comes usually by motorcycle in something like 5 minutes in an specialized bag that keeps warm.
I recently did that due to a leg injury and the fees hurt more than the leg. (I’m getting better)
Who ask for delivery from a store that’s 10 minutes walking?
A lot of tech workers in San Francisco. They get paid enough that the $20 in fees doesn’t mean much and lazy / overworked enough to not go and get it themselves.
I assume door dash makes most of there money of those customers, rich / upper middle class people in big cities, as those people are the ones willing to pay the outrageous fees they charge.
Well look at Mr(s) Fancy Pants living somewhere walkable!
And send a billionaire a third of your dinner money while you’re at it!
B bb but my parents haven’t taught me how to cook 50 cent of pasta with homebrand sauce :(
white poor people work door dash all the time….
btw, MLK Jr started the poor people’s campaign shortly before he was assassinated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_People’s_Campaignwhite poor people work door dash all the time….
sure and it’s a shitty job for them as well
Two things can be true. It’s a shitty job, but a job nonetheless, and we can also want those jobs to be less shitty.
Have you ever actually spoken to a gig worker? Because this comes off as some really strange white knighting.
