Warframe players fr (I have over 3,000 hours)
I think the main reason The Second Dream hit so hard was because the game was so flat and plotless up until that point. Like, it’s a great story and all, but the “twist” would have been guessed within moments of starting it if players expected there to be any plot beyond the scraps of lore they’d been given thus far.
Though kudos to the devs for making that flatness part of the plot, as you’re basically just a machine going through the motions until you “awaken”. Still sucks from a gameplay perspective, of course.
Came here for this. I bounced before I could reach that “mission thar changes everything”.
I think I started playing Warframe when it just came out, but only like 30 hours maybe, came back several years later and played 30 more. A couple years ago I played 30 more. I’ve always been so confused and it only gets worse every time I come back. But I like the bits where the ninja goes woosh and chop and bang, so that’s pretty cool.
Once you get to like Neptune I think is when you unlock the first cinematic quest. It is kind of annoying that they haven’t gone back and done more “prequel” style quests so newer players can know what kind of story they’re getting into before such a long commitment.
They did just recently release a very short quest that unlocks at the beginning of the game but it ended up being a little underwhelming.
Also, depending on when you were playing those quests might not have existed yet. Iirc The Second Dream, which was the first “cinematic” quest came out in 2015
One Piece has a 25-episode fight at one point. Here’s a short list of anime shorter or the same length as this one fight:
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The first season of FLCL (6 Episodes)
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Hellsing (13 Episodes or 10 double-feature Ultimate episodes)
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No Game No Life (12 Episodes)
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Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo (24 Episodes)
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The first season of Re:Zero (14-22 Episodes depending on cut)
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Devilman: Crybaby (10 Episodes)
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Puella Magi Madoka Magica (12 Episodes)
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Bokurano (24 Episodes)
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Berserk (25 Episodes for the OLM show, 13 Episodes for Studio 4°C, 24 Episodes for 2016)
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Kill la Kill (24 Episodes)
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Ergo Proxy (23 Episodes)
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The first season of Psycho-Pass (22 Episodes)
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The first season of Assassination Classroom (22 Episodes)
I never watched one Piece but there’s no way you need over a thousand episodes for whatever story they are trying to tell. I can’t wrap my head around that.
It’s cause they’re turning 16 page chapters of manga into full episodes. If you made a succinct version, you could probably tell the whole story so far in 200 episodes. Much smaller than that and you’d really start cutting into the story being told.
Wasn’t there a project aiming to recreate the anime but without any filler?
One Pace, yes. It’s the only way I’ve consumed the anime. It’s good but occasionally the site goes down. Also it is not up to date with the current stuff because it can’t be, it’s all volunteer.
After a while you need to stop caring about the overall plot (which is pretty interesting on its own, but that is like drip fed to you) and start enjoying the arcs individually. Usually the structure is that they get to a new island, get to know the inhabitants and their culture and individual characters, the crew finds a mystery, problem or conspiracy, and they help the inhabitants. Quite often there are also multi-island plots that tie up all the plots of each individual island.
Admittedly the solution is always inevitably “Luffy punches the bad guy really hard in the face” while the rest of the characters are usually busy punching the bad guy’s underlings, but since you end up liking both the main characters and the characters they meet in each island (and the relatively rare but much beloved recurring characters), you don’t mind it as much.
One Piece is best enjoyed as a manga. Reading it goes much faster and loses a bit of the anime character tropes.
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In my opinion, base FFXIV A Realm Reborn is already a good game. The first expansion, Heavensward, takes it to great. Stormblood goes back to good. Shadowbringers and Endwalker together are the best Final Fantasy I’ve played, though other people don’t like Endwalker as much as me. I haven’t played Dawntrail since Endwalker is a clear endpoint for the story.
I cried throughout the entire game, but a sequence in the last region of Endwalker made me ugly cry like no other media has
Dawntrail has its issues but it’s definitely hard to get something off the ground after a conclusion like EW. I think it was alright, not too strong on the story department and they wasted some characters imo but the content was really good.
I got super burnt out on the content in Dawntrail just because it felt like they got very comfortable in their formula and kept funneling everything into it more and more
Endwalker I already began having issues. A lot of the dungeon content felt dumbed down. I disliked how they mandated the pull-pull-boss formula in all dungeons. Especially combined with the crazy self healing they doled out to all tanks, it felt like the pack management got oversimplified, which was a double edged sword because in addition to being boring it made those sections take longer.
It was especially disappointing to me after Shadowbringers had some of the best and most comically massive boss to boss pack pulls in the entire game (Mt Gulg) and in many cases allowed you to pull directly into mini bosses, or had special tech that let you spawn enemies early (Qitana Ravel). I had a ton of fun learning these strategies from other tanks while doing roulettes on my dps and healers, and then teaching the optimal strategies to others when I leveled my tanks.
I was mixed at the time because I felt the actual dungeon boss fights in Endwalker were a lot of fun, and then I really enjoyed the extremes and savage content (Although I was also beginning to feel weary of an over reliance on floating bosses and arena sized bosses. I play tank in high end content and I love the gameplay loop of anticipating the boss moves and pre-positioning myself to bait their attacks, or lining them up well for my melee dps players). It also helped a lot that I loved the music and the story of Endwalker.
I should note I’m also very sensitive to the state of the casual content because I like to level and ~gear every job in the game. So I spend a lot of time in dungeons and such, running through content with FC members, and so on. I had a goal at one point to orange parse the extremes with every job in the game (extremely doable with the uncapped tome equipment and memeing on food and potions lol, it’s really just a test of if you can execute your rotation the whole fight without dying) and I did get at least one orange with each job. So having the ability to have fun while leveling all my jobs (a very time intensive task) is very important to me.
But yeah when Dawntrail dropped the dungeons felt even more restrictive than ever before, the boss fights hadn’t really improved much, and it felt like all of the jobs themselves got even simpler in their rotation. To the point where I felt like it didn’t even matter what tank I picked, it was basically the same rotation. Like the 6.3 Paladin rework to finish turning all the tanks into Warrior clones was just so gut wrenching to me. I looked at my hot bars one day and realized I had all the “same” buttons in all the same places. 1-2-3/4 combo, then press your big burst button 3 times, reach over here for your oGCDs. All of the defensive cooldowns were totally homogenized as well. I guess I’m a final fantasy boomer now but I used to like stressing the healers out by memeing them with Dark Knight’s old invuln and stuff like that lol.
It used to feel like I could get a lot of variety just from switching jobs but for Dawntrail I only bothered leveling one of each type (tank healer melee range magic) because at some point, after being able to make my own fun with the process for years and years over multiple expansions, it just felt like I couldn’t anymore. Eventually I stopped keeping up with the game entirely and for the first time ever I’m considering skipping the next expansion launch, which has always been a huge event for me that I take time off work for.
Anyway wow sorry for the rant, I started out just having a couple things to say but I guess I just hadn’t really processed all of that until now lol. TL;DR kids these days don’t realize the game was sooo much better back in myyy day
And then turns to garbage at the 400 hour mark. Dawntrail actually made me quit due to some of the worst writing I have ever had the misfortune of experiencing in a game. Serious whiplash coming off the fourth expansion.
The raiding is trash. They took a good idea and just rinse, wash, repeat. It has a few new ideas mechanically, but really after near a decade I hung it up.
It does get good at the climax of the base game, A Realm Reborn, when Rauban loses control. That’s what hooked me. There are other great moments and plots along the way through the whole game . But for the overall best time, it’s the 3rd expansion, Shadow Bringers, that’s a masterpiece all the way through. That’s some of the best Final Fantasy I’ve ever played from Squaresoft or SquareEnix.
Dawntrail, I can’t recommend. I can’t get into it.
Shadowbringers was a treat most of the way through, very unique and the constant feeling of dread was great. Except the trolley part, I spent weeks stalled on the story at that bit. Amaurot was worth it though.
To be fair about One Piece, there’s so little unique content in each episode, sandwiched between a lengthy theme song and recap, and next episode preview, that 37 episodes is more like 15 episodes.
And I love all of it.
Honestly pacing is the anime’s biggest weakness. The show simply has dogwater pacing to help it maintain a consistent run since 1999. One Pace, which cuts roughly half of the total run time is a godsend if you ever want to watch the show
I mean, I’m currently already 650 episodes into the main anime already, so I may as well keep going. 😅 One Pace sounds great though, so I’ll probably try that for a rewatch someday. Maybe after reading the manga for comparison.
I’m personally getting caught up, just finished Wano, which One Pace has only covered MOST of and the viewing experience noticeably declined when I went to the official content. Would recommend, even for first view
dude episode 37? try episode 130+ lmao one piece is so slow and boring until a little past the alabasta arc.
I made it through about one minute of one piece once.
One of those “every trite shitty fucking anime trope fist fucked into a pile of shit” anime’s. Which I’ll admit ismost of them imo.
I love good anime. The problem is the overwhelming majority of it is fucking shit.
Honestly, the opposite is why I struggled to get into the show for so long. I have a bunch of messages with friends who were pushing me to watch it of “I don’t get why this happens, I don’t feel enjoyment out of the fights. He’s doing the same thing every time and then for some reason it works the last time”
I think one piece is one of the few shows where I don’t actually like the main protag. I understand Luffy’s personality, and I understand that perseverance is his thing, but he takes a hammer approach for everything. I didn’t like how for the first 400 or so episodes his approach to fighting anything was to hit it repeatedly, just angrier. Defeating antagonists early on seemed super unrewarding because it was the same thing he does all battle, just for some reason it works that time.
Note this does eventually change, but like the time commitment required to get to that part where it’s engaging is super high. I do like the show now that it’s actually starting to pick up but, I defo don’t believe that I would have made it to this point if I wasn’t also being pushed to since I was in a one piece DnD campaign and not understanding key elements was getting old lmao
A simple premise stretched out across way too many episodes with flat, 2 dimensional characters, unrealistic fights laden with expository dialogue, weird-looking sexualized maybe underaged girls, side arcs that do nothing for the story but are zany and stupid, increasing levels of power which coincide with exactly the right increase in enemies’ power, is all this more or less in the mark?
It’s just shitty anime bingo. Beyond the superficial parts it’s interchangeable with all the other shitty anime.
Actually no, that doesn’t sound like One Piece at all.
Nah it gets good at Arlong Park
ARR has huge pacing issues and a lot of stuff that just isn’t that great. However, it’s basically essential for the later on stuff and can’t really be trimmed down that well without losing a lot of stuff. It does get good though :/
“It gets good at season 2”
“Then let’s start there.”
“But then you won’t know what’s going on”
“If it’s good then I won’t have to”
I got bored after 8 episodes.
I thought it was so cool since protestors in Nepal used the pirate flag thing in the Gen Z protests, so I was like: did I miss out on a great Anime?
Nope, boooring. (no offense to the fans, but it just aint for me)
But the opening was cool tho…
Read the manga
The anime is boring
This has genuinely happened to me
One Piece is good before episode 37 (iykyk) but that’s when it really picks up in quality imo. Romance Dawn (aka the entire first arc) of One Piece is a lot slower than the rest of the series.
Depends on the individual. I found the game to be deeply moving even in the earliest stages. Though the Limsa and Ul’dah night themes could make passing a tapeworm into a bucket feel moving.
Wat? FF14 is good like immediately.
After reading basically all of the comments here, I’m gonna dissent and say that the first 300eps of one piece are great and I disagree with people saying they aren’t. The show is not a speedrun. I loved the openings and endings. Skip the recap when it grates on you because over time it gets longer and longer; I remember some episodes having like 6 minutes of recap, which is absolutely unacceptable, regardless of how complex the war-like battles with multiple factions are.
I was greatly saddened by the decision to get rid of outros, and the double length into drags. The show can admittedly be slow in a lot of places, but nowhere near as egregious as a lot of people make it out to be. I LIKE shows that take it easy and have world building and vibe building.
If One Pace does it for you, though, all the power to you. That’s a great project.
Yeah, I’m always surprised at how common the opinion “one piece gets good after 50 episodes” is. One piece was pretty fun from the very start to me. Later episodes actually get worse for me because of how much they drag. I had to switch over to One Pace in dressrosa because I thought the actual plot was amazing, but I couldn’t handle the pace of the actual show.
This is probably the more popular view i hear from actual one piece fans
