Summary
Trump reportedly held up a digitally altered image of the hand of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was deported by the Trump administration, in an attempt to prove Garcia is a gang member.
Trump can be seen holding a printed-out photo… demonstrating that “MS-13” is tattooed across his knuckles.
“This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back,” Trump posted. However, many have pointed out that the image appears photoshopped.
“MS-13 looks like it was typed on the photo.” “Needing to have a photo doctored… is definitely something a psychopath would do.”
It’s nice to see Trump can learn and grow. It wasn’t that long ago when he would have just scribbled it with a sharpie. Anyway, it must really annoy Trump that thanks to Senator Van Hollen’s visit, where he proved he could do what Trump admitted that he himself could not, we now have unadulterated photos of Garcia’s hand without the shitty photoshop.
Alright, I’ll take the bait. Let’s all assume he has an MS-13 tattoo. What does this change? The dude still gets his constitutional rights, and his day in court. On US soil.
This is what they always do, get you arguing about something that doesn’t matter. Just eats up time and energy about nothing.
The goal is to use fear, hatred, bigotry etc as a means to normalize authoritarianism and the destruction of rights, in exchange for non-existent “security” and “protection”.
See terrorism and pedophilia.
And on top of all that, even if somehow you could justify foregoing due process, the dude STILL can’t legally be sent to El Salvador because of his withholding of removal to that country which I’m pretty sure is what the"administrative error" was that the white house admitted lol.
So umm… What’s the problem? Return. Prove it in a court of law. Due process for all. It doesn’t matter who the person is or what they’ve done. What matters is how the government acts.
The problem is that they are trying to do away with due process. They want to be able to throw anyone they want into a gulag in another country where they will disappear forever. They start with immigrants, claiming that they are gang members and terrorists. They are refusing to prove it because they want to set the precedent that they do not need to prove their claims. They start with alleged foreign gang members, then will come “homegrowns,” as Trump has called them.
If we don’t make them prove their claims now in a court of law, it’ll be that much harder to do it later, and they know it.
Sure. We are in agreement. That’s exactly why it’s important to adhere to our constitution. Due process is an instruction for how to operate our government when looking to use its violent capabilities upon individuals. “No person shall” has nothing to do with who the individual is, only how our government must go about depriving them of “life, liberty, or property”, if it sees fit.
Until we change our constitution, due process for all.
Even if it wasn’t. We don’t throw people in jail, much less deport them for tattoos. I know some people in thr Trump shitshow who should go to jail for their tattoos if this is what they want to start doing.
What insults me more than anything is that he thinks I am so stupid that I would accept that obviously doctored photo as real. I felt the same way when he pitched his hurricane weather map with his Sharpie edit.
Hey, HitlerPig, we aren’t all as stupid as you, and the people around you.
Here’s a closeup of the image
A Nigerian prince puts more effort into fooling people.
Wait, the letters are clearly digitally added on top of the photo, but aren’t they just used to label the tattoos on each finger?
Not that would change anything…
If they wanted to indicate a translation for the symbols, they could have done so off of the part of the image consisting of the hand. Trump said verbatim “he’s got MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles”. Not symbols for MS-13, the phrase itself. Additionally, the real tattoos are clearly not on the knuckles, but the photoshopped letters are. Trump believes the photoshopped letters are actual tattoos and/or wants to convince people of it.
Can you elaborate?
like (M)arijuana (S)miley …. then i suppose devils advocate could say cross is like a 1 and skull is a 3? though skull is more like an 8? but also totally not either so…
edit: after writing this I kept scrolling and others have posted similar things way before i did. So maybe that is the “official” line they’re going with.
edit2: guys, we’ve had it all wrong…
(W)eed, (D)ead, 4 (jezuz died 4 our zins) 0 (as in nothing, like no more, like… a skull.)
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Omfg I literally had to double check this was really what trump was holding up. “internet sleuth” my ass, a ten year old could point out how stupidly fake this is.
That was my first reaction, but apparently the letters were placed there to explain the tattoos “meaning”.
Supposedly:
Marijuana stands for M Smiley face stands for S Cross stands for 1 for some reason Skull stands for 3 for some reason
They forgot that:
- wouldn’t the text be in Spanish and not English?
- MS 13 hand members are proud of being in it, they put giant letters on their chests, backs, face, if he wanted to hide it, why even bother having a tattoos? Wouldn’t other gang members get upset that he is hiding it?
I also couldn’t find pictures of anyone else from MS13 who was using such cryptic tattoos.
Also with the interpretation is that you can literally assign any meaning to it for example:
- Pot
- Ecstatic
- “t”
- Afterlife
This shows that Abrego Garcia is actually an animal lover and supports PETA.
But this is beside the point. The problem is he had no due process, and wasn’t deported but human trafficked to a prison in 3rd world country.
If they have undeniable proof give it to the court and then either deport him or put him in US jail if he committed a crime.
Spanish would work for the first two, as silly as it is, since marijuana is already a spanish word and sonrisa is smile. You could almost get away with 1 for the cross, though it would be c by the logic of the first two.
The skull, though, is utter nonsense.
Somehow this seems like lower effort than a sharpie.
That doesn’t even qualify as a Photoshop. It should be called an “MS Paint”
“MS Paint? That sounds an awful lot like MS-13! Off to the El Salvador gulag with you, terrorist scum!”
OH, COME ON! That isn’t even a plausible fake. Couldn’t they find a third-grader to do a better job?
This is the HitlerPig 2.0 version of the hurricane weather map. I’m surprised he didn’t just scribble on the photo with a Sharpie.
Ok, so what happened here is that police added letters to the photo explaining what each symbol means. Some idiots on twitter thought those added letters are the claimed MS-13 tattoo. It’s not clear if Trump also thought that those letters were actually tattooed, probably yes.
And itd amazing to me how this is another of this shit is dumb, we dont need to make stuff up to complain about it being dumb
Like the excuses for the symbols dont make sense. We can just call that out. We dont need to lie.
It kind of looks like annotation to imply that the symbols actually on his hand mean MS-13, but I’d easily believe Trump is dumb enough to think he has “M S 1 3” printed in Arial font on his fingers.
If it is an annotation…show us those court records, you fascist son of a bitch.
It looks like people believe the M S 1 3 annotations are what they are saying is on his hand. We’re in some dire straits.
The annotations are bullshit tho
Yeah, they think that the evidence is the annotations and ignore them as being annotations as a bad faith argument.
Do the symbols on his knuckles means “MS13”? That is up for debate without supporting evidence from those who have relevant knowledge and authority on the subject, which DHS has not validated as of yet but the arresting officers in a 2019 incident when he was arrested with two others that were also “MS13 affiliated” by the local PD; if that was out of authority or guilt by proximity is up for debate.
Is it plausible that a gang member has coded tattoos? Absolutely because gangs do use symbols to code like white power people use 1488 and similar. To be fair members of MS13 and similar tend to be more blatant with their tattoos, but it may offer a tactical advantage to be more obtuse in tattoos depending on the individual’s role in the organization. So him not having “MS13” tattooed on his face is not necessary absolute proof that he is unaffiliated.
He was alleged to be affiliated to MS13 by an informant, who is advantaged by lying financially and legally. $100 bucks can make a guy busted for drug trafficking say anything to avoid the consequences of his actions.
His wife censors his tattoos in her calls for his return, which implies she knows the tattoos are a optics problem and she has also avoided admitting or denying any past gang affiliation. Not damning, but draw enough points and you can draw a line.
Could he have been a victim of circumstances and has a checkered past due to where he grew up and has been trying to reform himself and be a decent, honest, and lawful person? Absolutely, but his traffick stop in 2022 sure is questionable.
At the end of the day he was here illegally and two judges have decided he was at one time an MS13 member based on the information available to them, which is greater than we are privileged to.
You can disagree with deporting him because a prior administration decided he should not be immediately be deported, but administrations change and so can the decisions of a prior administration with a new administration.
How he is treated in his home country is a concern, but that is a concern of his family and the people of El Salvador who advocate on behalf of the imprisoned, not the American government because he is not a naturalized citizen.
From what I read his parents owned a store that started getting extorted, which is why he fled El Salvador originally at 16 to live with relatives in the US. Whether he is or was in a gang or not in a gang is completely irrelevant to the fact that people have a right to due process. Maybe he does deserve to be deported, but what has been done to him is not a deportation. Also a changing administration does not have any relevance to the court decision allowing him to live in the US, unless you’re suggesting the rule of law ended too? Until a judge says otherwise, he can not legally be deported to El Salvador. What has been done to him is a crime.
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At the end of the day he was here illegally
Actually, at the time he was kidnapped he was a legal resident and the administration had court orders specifically not to send him to El Salvador. Anything anyone tries to say about his tattoos, one way or another, is completely irrelevant nonsense and attempting to defend the administration’s actions against him is a moral evil.
There are literally annotations under the symbols.
Marijuana, Smile, Cross
How much more do they need to impeach this liar ?
Look. I wish he could be removed by impeachment. But we need to accept that he’s an outlaw.
He is a clear proponent of extrajudicial capital punishment.
Only an overdose of his own medicine will take him down.
The only two things that could remove Trump early is a military coup, an armed revolution, or both.
The SCOTUS immunity superpowers aren’t the gift he thinks. All they did was remove the civilized options for his removal, leaving nothing but the worst case scenario options for him.
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Even if. Have these people never heard of “ex gang members” I know a guy with gang tattoos who left the gang life 20 years ago. Should he suffer now because of his tattoos?
Well lets see, is he brown?
I mean at least he didn’t use a sharpie this time…
As it is just a photo of a hand, it could be anyones hand.
Anyone’s hand, presented by the man whose first column in the “customs tariff table” was a ridiculous lie made up of cooked numbers (trade deficit instead of tariff rate).
There’s no reason to put a grain of trust in him.
You need a hand? Heck, I’ll get you a hand by lunch.
Looking at the photo on top of this thread, which shows his hand, it seems like he has the tatoos, but not the letters MS 13.
So that picture was most likely of his hands, and then someone added the MS13 to it.
I just pointed out how meaningless it is to just show some random dudes hand.
You wanna bring up possibility of criminal history as an argument against someone being entitled to their rights as a US citizen? Let’s not throw big and obvious stones in very precarious glass houses.
It’s sharpie gate all over again!
They couldn’t use AI to doctor the image because everyone would instantly see the 7 fingers and laugh.
Trumps fascist base? No way. They believe him not matter what. They’d see 7 fingers and say he was the anti-christ or something just as stupid.
