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macOS updates haven’t cost money since 2009
But… They did?! (Never had a mac)
No, major OS releases used to cost money for a license. The same way a Windows 11 license costs money. Apple stopped charging for OS releases but Microsoft still does.
But Lemmy assured me that Apple is BAD!
I know this is a joke. Apple is bad for some reasons and good for others. I think there are technologies where the bad clearly outweighs the good (e.g. anything Facebook/Meta). I don’t think Apple is as clear cut. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t put serious pressure (government regulation?) on them for the bad things. IMO Lemmy lacks the nuance for things that aren’t clear cut.
Here’s an example. Apple laptops are insanely well built +1 points. Apple silicon delivers incredible battery life and performance, and has pushed ARM into the mainstream +1. Apple locks down software and hardware too much -1. Apples labor practices -1. I would love to see better Linux support for Apple silicon (I think it’s exists, but idk how well it works).
I would love to see better Linux support for Apple silicon (I think it’s exists, but idk how well it works).
There’s not much demand for that as it’s generally a tad more expensive than similar hardware from other manufacturers, so usually makes more sense to get more open hardware for using with Linux.
I feel like I’m this weird combination where I love the design of their products - are there other aluminum laptops that are as sleek as Apple? But on the other hand, I also think something modular like framework would be sick. I guess that’s the issue is you can’t have the sleek fully aluminum design and have it be modular/repairable. But I will say this, my M2 Max MacBook Pro has been a beast for 2 years, and it shows no signs of slowing down.
I think framework laptops look pretty sleek 🤷
And they sell an aluminium cover if you wanted it to be almost fully aluminum: https://frame.work/products/input-cover-kit?v=FRANHC0001
Every 10.x version of OS X cost money up through 10.6, just like how every version of Windows has cost money unless you use one of the keygens Microsoft doesn’t care about.
Oh God yes. I used a Mac for work back in the day and it seriously had everything it needed to get me to dump all other operating systems (it was basically Unix with a cohesive user interface), but they couldn’t stop stepping on their own dicks at every turn.
First they charged constantly for minor updates by calling them major revisions. And then they would come out with software fixes to programs and call that a major update and force you to pay an upgrade fee… except that “new version” required the new OS. And once you paid to update the program and the Os, you would find that several other programs you needed no longer fucking worked because you were running a version of the os that the software didn’t support when it was built (because it didn’t exist yet). At that point you got to roll the dice and see if the company that made that software was still around and bothered to update their software.
I loved that it never suffered from bit-rot like MS, but once you got a work flow working on it you didn’t dare ever change anything on that machine again.They used to charge for the OS, which was changed/updated every
year2 years to a new version. I remember prices around 20-30, so it was still cheaper than windowsIt wasn’t updated every year. Major paid versions came out every 2 years or so. They became free when they started updating major versions annually
Thanks, I didn’t remember exactly
Yeah, the first Mac I bought I only ever bought Snow Leopard as an upgrade, skipped other versions and then upgraded to Mountain Lion or whatever was the first free version. That’s basically 30ish spent over the entire almost 20 years I’ve been using Macs on actual software.
The comic is kind of dumb because it’s Microsoft who’ve typically made tons of money on software licenses, everyone knows that Apple makes their money on hardware.
And I like Windows Updates. They do actually add new features now.
Don’t understand why updates annoy people so much. Probably because they leave their PC running for days and keep putting them off until Windows literally forces you to restart your machine. But if you’re a normal person who shuts down their PC on a regular basis, the updates literally never bother you. They quietly download in the background and then install the next time you go to shut down your machine. You don’t even have to think about it.
Edit: If ads and AI are the reason why you hate Windows updates, consider installing O&O Shut Up 10 (it works in Win11 too). Or just switch to Linux.
actually add new features now
After taking away many of them in the first place…
It used to annoy me because it would show me screens after updating asking if I want to enable targeted ads, buy office 365 or send MS my location data.
Used to only happen after installing Windows but then then made it after every update…
Check out my response to the first person who replied to me. There is an easy fix for that.
Doesn’t annoy me any more, Windows free for two years now.
then I have to spend time undoing those shitty new bloated features, reset default applications. too much useless ai bloat too.
This keeps coming up a lot, so see my edit. There are no ads or AI in my copy of Windows 11.
I use: https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil but it’s still extra work we shouldn’t be forced to endure
also I use Linux, I just game on a windows partition
I haven’t paid attention to what changes between updates. What kind of features do they add?
Probably because they leave their PC running for days and keep putting them off until Windows literally forces you to restart
I mean, that’s a legitimate way of using your computer. I’m sure you can see how that’s incredibly annoying.
Wait, why are “normal” persons shutting down their computer on a regular basis? I tend to avoid shutting down because restarts are a tad tedious.
It wastes electricity and heats up your house (so the A/C runs more often). Leaving my PC running 24/7 would cost me an extra $20-30/mo, for example, mostly from the A/C running all the time to keep the office cool.
If you have a proper NVME drive, boot times are a non-issue. Even if you’re still rocking a SATA drive, there’s always Sleep mode.
Honestly, there’s no real reason to leave your PC running all the time, unless you’re mining crypto, running a server/lab, or donating processing power to university research, and electricity is free for you. But even then you should be considerate and give your parents a break on their power bill.
Thanks, I see your point. My computers are usually doing something (running servers, long-running computations, backups, downloads, etc) or they are sleeping (ie, not running up the power bill). Boot time isn’t the tedious part of restarting, it’s restoring state that isn’t saved. Anyway, I always disable auto-updates because updates change things; I want to choose when things change.
I’m surprised your PC runs hot enough to cost you so much for A/C. I doubt my computers impact my power bill very much compared to appliances, heating, charging cars, etc.
Sleep mode is a thing. My PC gulps down a massive 1.8W when napping.
I said that already.
You mentioned sleep mode yourself. Do you not see the contradiction there?
It’s called extending an olive branch. Trying to find a happy medium, even if I disagree with it.
I had someone refuse to install windows updates because “spyware”, also refuses to use linux… 🧐
lol I hope they get a virus.
That’s right, instead they moved them to service subscriptions which people pay for instead and then forget about. Evil
No. The OS license comes with the hardware that is bought. If your hardware supports the OS, you get the updates for free. There is no subscription needed to keep a Mac up to date.
I was referring to iCloud and other apple services which so apple uses instead of the is payment to make money.
Microsoft does this too.
Also Ubuntu does this now.
Yes and no.
First, because they always discontinue/remove/change APIs and stuff, apps need to be constantly updated (= pay subscription or buy new version every 2-3 years). You can’t just use something from 2008.
Second, because they set arbitrary minimum requirements, the average life of a Mac is in average 7 years from launch, then it stops getting updates.
Which means: $1200 for the laptop - $500 inflated resale value even after 7 years = $700/7 = $100 yearly “subscription” to use the latest version of MacOS
Now they only require you to upgrade your hardware, like windows.
Except they are tied to hardware so eventually you get no updates at all
which is also true for all the windows users who can’t update to 11 because their computers don’t meet the arbitrary requirements
Sure ofc but linux user be like “let me update my vacuum cleaner to run doom”
Huh, never had to pay for a Mac update.
That’s because Apple hasn’t charged for OSX/MacOS updates since 2013 with OSX 10.9
Edit: I also don’t think they were ever $99. I upgraded from 10.5 to 10.6 back in 2009 and I think it was only like $30, and they had to ship me a disc with the update so it’s not like they didn’t have any overhead they had to pay for
And they were the first commercial OS to do so.
MacOS updates don’t cost money. They’re also completely optional (even security updates) and major OS versions introduce new features.
The comic is from 2011. The upgrade to OS X Lion, released that year, was paid originally and then made available for free.
Calm down, Tim Apple. It’s just a meme.
Mac OS updates are free
Maybe this meme is from the times they weren’t?
Until you need to buy a new mac cause your is not being updated anymore?
Meh, a linux user: Nah. (there’s a major version update I’ll really have to do in the next month or two, but my setup has so many customizations that the update will probably break a couple of things that I’ll have to set up again, and I’ve been really unmotivated to do that)
Or, I really don’t want to reboot so I’ll put it off
It’s been years since I ran Linux as my DD, but the major updates seemed to break my setup pretty regularly. Audio, or USB, or sleeping when I closed the laptop lid.
I assume that isn’t the case anymore.
Well, what can I say about that except … “works for me”.
Also Linux: oh good. Maybe it’ll fix this issue so I don’t have to lol
It is amazing how much I dread new Windows features.
I mean, I was pretty optimistic for a long time. I loved the DRM/presentation changes and hardware scheduling. I like a new task manager or finishing half-finished settings menus or little security optimizations. This was even going into Windows 11.
Now…
I know they’re not going to finish anything, like UWP or the settings menu they overhauled in Windows 8.
I know, in all likelihood, I’m not getting improvements to performance, presentation, latency, audio, resource utilization. No new filesystem or neat features…
We’re getting bloatware. Or ads. Or tracking. Or broken Copilot in yet another orifice I don’t want it in, and that’s speaking as a fervent local ML runner.
And every time it updates, I know I have to check the programs, task manager, services, and purpose made debloating programs to see what crap I have to castrate next. It’s unreal. No wonder folks are dumping it for Android/iOS.
Me, a Debian user: “Wow, been 5 years already? Cool beans”
TBH, I say “Not again!” on Linux if it’s a kernel update, because it means I’ll have to reboot.
I say “Not again” on Linux too if it’s a kernel update because anything newer than 6.10 means that sleep is broken again and I have to roll back to 6.10.
More like: Your battery is too old so we’ll pre-bill you for your $99/year subscription for the privilage of installing this CPU-Throttle update that you cannot refuse to install, and battery replacement costs almost as much as a new device.
Linux update: … click … forget about it as it runs in the background
Windows update: … why is my system running like molasses??? … oh there’s an update … click … now it’s running even slower!!! … I’m in the middle of something!!! … I DON’T WANT TO SHUT DOWN!! … WAIT FOR THE UPDATE TO INSTALL!!! … How long is this going to take???"
Mac update: … I wouldn’t know, I’ve never owned a Mac because I could never afford one.
Mac update: …
It downloads in the background, and sends you a toast notification that it’s ready to install. It gives you the option of restarting “Now”, or it’ll do it “Later Tonight” when it determines you’re not using your computer.
So, exactly how Windows behaves? This entire meme is wrong for all three OSes and seems to just be designed to annoy everyone…
What? Someone on the internet trying to ragebait people with misinformation?
I’m shocked. Shocked I say. 😉
Haha, I just had a huge list of dependency errors with my Linux PC. I’ll have to find 1 hour in my day today to figure out wtf is up this time.
The current mainline kernel hangs on my laptop when the system goes to screen off idle.
Report button > Check “I’m in this photo and I like it”
- Linux Master Race
My distro is downstream of arch, there’s always an update. I just install them when I feel like it
We need to find more ways to fund the lovely FOSS devs
The ways exist, but a lot of people are using FOSS for the first letter in the acronym.
