No, major OS releases used to cost money for a license. The same way a Windows 11 license costs money. Apple stopped charging for OS releases but Microsoft still does.
I know this is a joke. Apple is bad for some reasons and good for others. I think there are technologies where the bad clearly outweighs the good (e.g. anything Facebook/Meta). I don’t think Apple is as clear cut. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t put serious pressure (government regulation?) on them for the bad things. IMO Lemmy lacks the nuance for things that aren’t clear cut.
Here’s an example. Apple laptops are insanely well built +1 points. Apple silicon delivers incredible battery life and performance, and has pushed ARM into the mainstream +1. Apple locks down software and hardware too much -1. Apples labor practices -1. I would love to see better Linux support for Apple silicon (I think it’s exists, but idk how well it works).
I would love to see better Linux support for Apple silicon (I think it’s exists, but idk how well it works).
There’s not much demand for that as it’s generally a tad more expensive than similar hardware from other manufacturers, so usually makes more sense to get more open hardware for using with Linux.
I feel like I’m this weird combination where I love the design of their products - are there other aluminum laptops that are as sleek as Apple? But on the other hand, I also think something modular like framework would be sick. I guess that’s the issue is you can’t have the sleek fully aluminum design and have it be modular/repairable. But I will say this, my M2 Max MacBook Pro has been a beast for 2 years, and it shows no signs of slowing down.
Every 10.x version of OS X cost money up through 10.6, just like how every version of Windows has cost money unless you use one of the keygens Microsoft doesn’t care about.
Oh God yes. I used a Mac for work back in the day and it seriously had everything it needed to get me to dump all other operating systems (it was basically Unix with a cohesive user interface), but they couldn’t stop stepping on their own dicks at every turn.
First they charged constantly for minor updates by calling them major revisions. And then they would come out with software fixes to programs and call that a major update and force you to pay an upgrade fee… except that “new version” required the new OS. And once you paid to update the program and the Os, you would find that several other programs you needed no longer fucking worked because you were running a version of the os that the software didn’t support when it was built (because it didn’t exist yet). At that point you got to roll the dice and see if the company that made that software was still around and bothered to update their software.
I loved that it never suffered from bit-rot like MS, but once you got a work flow working on it you didn’t dare ever change anything on that machine again.
They used to charge for the OS, which was changed/updated every year 2 years to a new version. I remember prices around 20-30, so it was still cheaper than windows
Yeah, the first Mac I bought I only ever bought Snow Leopard as an upgrade, skipped other versions and then upgraded to Mountain Lion or whatever was the first free version. That’s basically 30ish spent over the entire almost 20 years I’ve been using Macs on actual software.
The comic is kind of dumb because it’s Microsoft who’ve typically made tons of money on software licenses, everyone knows that Apple makes their money on hardware.
And I like Windows Updates. They do actually add new features now.
Don’t understand why updates annoy people so much. Probably because they leave their PC running for days and keep putting them off until Windows literally forces you to restart your machine. But if you’re a normal person who shuts down their PC on a regular basis, the updates literally never bother you. They quietly download in the background and then install the next time you go to shut down your machine. You don’t even have to think about it.
Edit: If ads and AI are the reason why you hate Windows updates, consider installing O&O Shut Up 10 (it works in Win11 too). Or just switch to Linux.
It used to annoy me because it would show me screens after updating asking if I want to enable targeted ads, buy office 365 or send MS my location data.
Used to only happen after installing Windows but then then made it after every update…
It wastes electricity and heats up your house (so the A/C runs more often). Leaving my PC running 24/7 would cost me an extra $20-30/mo, for example, mostly from the A/C running all the time to keep the office cool.
If you have a proper NVME drive, boot times are a non-issue. Even if you’re still rocking a SATA drive, there’s always Sleep mode.
Honestly, there’s no real reason to leave your PC running all the time, unless you’re mining crypto, running a server/lab, or donating processing power to university research, and electricity is free for you. But even then you should be considerate and give your parents a break on their power bill.
Thanks, I see your point. My computers are usually doing something (running servers, long-running computations, backups, downloads, etc) or they are sleeping (ie, not running up the power bill). Boot time isn’t the tedious part of restarting, it’s restoring state that isn’t saved. Anyway, I always disable auto-updates because updates change things; I want to choose when things change.
I’m surprised your PC runs hot enough to cost you so much for A/C. I doubt my computers impact my power bill very much compared to appliances, heating, charging cars, etc.
No. The OS license comes with the hardware that is bought. If your hardware supports the OS, you get the updates for free. There is no subscription needed to keep a Mac up to date.
First, because they always discontinue/remove/change APIs and stuff, apps need to be constantly updated (= pay subscription or buy new version every 2-3 years). You can’t just use something from 2008.
Second, because they set arbitrary minimum requirements, the average life of a Mac is in average 7 years from launch, then it stops getting updates.
Which means: $1200 for the laptop - $500 inflated resale value even after 7 years = $700/7 = $100 yearly “subscription” to use the latest version of MacOS
macOS updates haven’t cost money since 2009
But… They did?! (Never had a mac)
No, major OS releases used to cost money for a license. The same way a Windows 11 license costs money. Apple stopped charging for OS releases but Microsoft still does.
But Lemmy assured me that Apple is BAD!
I know this is a joke. Apple is bad for some reasons and good for others. I think there are technologies where the bad clearly outweighs the good (e.g. anything Facebook/Meta). I don’t think Apple is as clear cut. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t put serious pressure (government regulation?) on them for the bad things. IMO Lemmy lacks the nuance for things that aren’t clear cut.
Here’s an example. Apple laptops are insanely well built +1 points. Apple silicon delivers incredible battery life and performance, and has pushed ARM into the mainstream +1. Apple locks down software and hardware too much -1. Apples labor practices -1. I would love to see better Linux support for Apple silicon (I think it’s exists, but idk how well it works).
There’s not much demand for that as it’s generally a tad more expensive than similar hardware from other manufacturers, so usually makes more sense to get more open hardware for using with Linux.
I feel like I’m this weird combination where I love the design of their products - are there other aluminum laptops that are as sleek as Apple? But on the other hand, I also think something modular like framework would be sick. I guess that’s the issue is you can’t have the sleek fully aluminum design and have it be modular/repairable. But I will say this, my M2 Max MacBook Pro has been a beast for 2 years, and it shows no signs of slowing down.
I think framework laptops look pretty sleek 🤷
And they sell an aluminium cover if you wanted it to be almost fully aluminum: https://frame.work/products/input-cover-kit?v=FRANHC0001
Every 10.x version of OS X cost money up through 10.6, just like how every version of Windows has cost money unless you use one of the keygens Microsoft doesn’t care about.
Oh God yes. I used a Mac for work back in the day and it seriously had everything it needed to get me to dump all other operating systems (it was basically Unix with a cohesive user interface), but they couldn’t stop stepping on their own dicks at every turn.
First they charged constantly for minor updates by calling them major revisions. And then they would come out with software fixes to programs and call that a major update and force you to pay an upgrade fee… except that “new version” required the new OS. And once you paid to update the program and the Os, you would find that several other programs you needed no longer fucking worked because you were running a version of the os that the software didn’t support when it was built (because it didn’t exist yet). At that point you got to roll the dice and see if the company that made that software was still around and bothered to update their software.
I loved that it never suffered from bit-rot like MS, but once you got a work flow working on it you didn’t dare ever change anything on that machine again.
They used to charge for the OS, which was changed/updated every
year2 years to a new version. I remember prices around 20-30, so it was still cheaper than windowsIt wasn’t updated every year. Major paid versions came out every 2 years or so. They became free when they started updating major versions annually
Thanks, I didn’t remember exactly
Yeah, the first Mac I bought I only ever bought Snow Leopard as an upgrade, skipped other versions and then upgraded to Mountain Lion or whatever was the first free version. That’s basically 30ish spent over the entire almost 20 years I’ve been using Macs on actual software.
The comic is kind of dumb because it’s Microsoft who’ve typically made tons of money on software licenses, everyone knows that Apple makes their money on hardware.
And I like Windows Updates. They do actually add new features now.
Don’t understand why updates annoy people so much. Probably because they leave their PC running for days and keep putting them off until Windows literally forces you to restart your machine. But if you’re a normal person who shuts down their PC on a regular basis, the updates literally never bother you. They quietly download in the background and then install the next time you go to shut down your machine. You don’t even have to think about it.
Edit: If ads and AI are the reason why you hate Windows updates, consider installing O&O Shut Up 10 (it works in Win11 too). Or just switch to Linux.
After taking away many of them in the first place…
It used to annoy me because it would show me screens after updating asking if I want to enable targeted ads, buy office 365 or send MS my location data.
Used to only happen after installing Windows but then then made it after every update…
Check out my response to the first person who replied to me. There is an easy fix for that.
Doesn’t annoy me any more, Windows free for two years now.
then I have to spend time undoing those shitty new bloated features, reset default applications. too much useless ai bloat too.
This keeps coming up a lot, so see my edit. There are no ads or AI in my copy of Windows 11.
I use: https://github.com/ChrisTitusTech/winutil but it’s still extra work we shouldn’t be forced to endure
also I use Linux, I just game on a windows partition
I haven’t paid attention to what changes between updates. What kind of features do they add?
I mean, that’s a legitimate way of using your computer. I’m sure you can see how that’s incredibly annoying.
I had someone refuse to install windows updates because “spyware”, also refuses to use linux… 🧐
lol I hope they get a virus.
Wait, why are “normal” persons shutting down their computer on a regular basis? I tend to avoid shutting down because restarts are a tad tedious.
It wastes electricity and heats up your house (so the A/C runs more often). Leaving my PC running 24/7 would cost me an extra $20-30/mo, for example, mostly from the A/C running all the time to keep the office cool.
If you have a proper NVME drive, boot times are a non-issue. Even if you’re still rocking a SATA drive, there’s always Sleep mode.
Honestly, there’s no real reason to leave your PC running all the time, unless you’re mining crypto, running a server/lab, or donating processing power to university research, and electricity is free for you. But even then you should be considerate and give your parents a break on their power bill.
Thanks, I see your point. My computers are usually doing something (running servers, long-running computations, backups, downloads, etc) or they are sleeping (ie, not running up the power bill). Boot time isn’t the tedious part of restarting, it’s restoring state that isn’t saved. Anyway, I always disable auto-updates because updates change things; I want to choose when things change.
I’m surprised your PC runs hot enough to cost you so much for A/C. I doubt my computers impact my power bill very much compared to appliances, heating, charging cars, etc.
Sleep mode is a thing. My PC gulps down a massive 1.8W when napping.
I said that already.
You mentioned sleep mode yourself. Do you not see the contradiction there?
It’s called extending an olive branch. Trying to find a happy medium, even if I disagree with it.
That’s right, instead they moved them to service subscriptions which people pay for instead and then forget about. Evil
No. The OS license comes with the hardware that is bought. If your hardware supports the OS, you get the updates for free. There is no subscription needed to keep a Mac up to date.
I was referring to iCloud and other apple services which so apple uses instead of the is payment to make money.
Microsoft does this too.
Also Ubuntu does this now.
Yes and no.
First, because they always discontinue/remove/change APIs and stuff, apps need to be constantly updated (= pay subscription or buy new version every 2-3 years). You can’t just use something from 2008.
Second, because they set arbitrary minimum requirements, the average life of a Mac is in average 7 years from launch, then it stops getting updates.
Which means: $1200 for the laptop - $500 inflated resale value even after 7 years = $700/7 = $100 yearly “subscription” to use the latest version of MacOS
Now they only require you to upgrade your hardware, like windows.
Except they are tied to hardware so eventually you get no updates at all
which is also true for all the windows users who can’t update to 11 because their computers don’t meet the arbitrary requirements
Sure ofc but linux user be like “let me update my vacuum cleaner to run doom”