I like how “american farmers” sounds like helping the little guy. No. Just another corporate bailout, nothing to see here.
Liberal America still envisions old dudes in overalls growing carrots in a small field, a single tear rolling down their cheek as their 6 children look on with empty bowls.
Rather than almost completely industrialized corn factories producing the raw materials for overseas ethanol production.
That view is confined to liberals?
No, but middle-class liberal america are still the country’s actual breadbasket, and the ones who are most easily influenced with simplistic imagery and narratives, so that’s who these stories are designed to appeal to. It would really, really twist official narratives if America broadly realized that some industries get socialism and others don’t.
this is the problem with politics nowadays. You see it as a left vs right thing, its just divide and conquer against the masses in what is rich vs poor.
I don’t understand what you’re going on about, I am talking about politics as it’s happening, and didn’t even frame it in a left/right way, I am talking about the administration and media’s framing of bailouts for “farmers.”
Are you a bot?
Fuckin welfare states. Pick yourselves up by the bootstraps you fuckin “without us America is nothing” fuck boys. I’m tired of these red states hurting people and still getting handouts.
I always have to laugh when I’d see people online arguing for rural areas/rural states and getting chapped about states being called “flyover states”. They’d start with that “but WE supply your food! The people in the cities would starve without us!”
WTAF. Get outta here with that shit. First of all, most of what I eat comes from Mexico and California. Secondly, it’s not as if these people are supplying food out of a sense of altruism. They act like they are really doing something truly noble and everyone else should bow and scrape over their racist bullshit because of that?
These people are going to really not know what to say as automation really, really starts taking flight for these kinds of jobs (why we started applying AI to things like white collar jobs first I have no idea). I know for a fact that full, end-to-end automation is a goal of the coal industry and it sure as hell is one for farming, too, as I saw a presentation on it being made several years ago. In any case, it’s going to be hard for these morons that happen to live near corporations extracting food from the land act like they should call the shots on how most Americans live their lives.
These assholes have been unable to deal with the reality that most Americans live in cities and have for quite some time…they just have not caught up. But these people think a minority are “real murica”.
as automation really, really starts taking flight for these kinds of jobs (why we started applying AI to things like white collar jobs first I have no idea)
They are, though? And it has massively changed the dynamics in agriculture. They just don’t make headlines because they’re technical behind-the-scenes stuff
It’s something that annoys me a bit when everyone started talking about AI, but only really a small part of it, and then thinking that’s the be-all-end-all of the field. It never was, and still isn’t. People just don’t know about the rest, and don’t read up on it either
Side note: farming is an area where the “Internet of Things” is used extensively as well, but when people think of IoT, they similarly only think about smart homes. Same problem as well
I watched a talk given about the mining industry (and this was pre-2023 by many years - that’s the year a whole lot of Americans seemed to wake up to “AI” being a thing outside of sci-fi) seeking to automate things end-to-end. Especially as they want to extract things in places that are more and more remote, having human involvement is very expensive.
So that was the extractive industry, talking to itself in frank terms; meanwhile, you had Donvict in his first term doing lots of performative bullshit (remember all the assholes screaming at journalists to “learn to code” when they were being laid off? Pretty sure that originated in stupid talking points related to miners) about “the miners” - the very miners the extractive industry wants to entirely eliminate.
I have no doubts that the agriculture is seeking to do the same and there are probably places where similar talks have been/are being given. I know that things like having GPS guiding the machinery is already a given. I know there were already pilot programs for automation in things like, say, picking strawberries.
It’s rather ironic given where things are likely going - it seems like neither Republicans nor Democrats have really copped to the stark near-term realities on such things…
They specified food that is actually eaten. As opposed to turned into animal feed or even stupider like corn turned into gasoline.
Useless map. The only potential human food on that map is wheat.
It’s also almost 20 years old
Edit: I actually didn’t see the fruits, nuts, etc but my point still stands IMO.
The only potential human food on that map is wheat.
Huh? Humans eat corn, soybeans, fruit, nuts and vegetables, which are all on the map.
The corn and soybeans grown in the US is not for humans
Thanks. I wasn’t aware. I’m doing some reading and it’s surprising.
The fruit and nuts could also be human food. Other than California it’s pretty much only in Florida.
Yes, California.
Now show me how much of that shit is (or, should I say, was, until the advent of orangeboi’s brilliant tariff policy) exported.
This is what the bailouts are for; the symptom being treated is a gunshot wound to the foot, caused by the patient aiming and discharging a firearm at said foot.
Honestly, my reaction at this point is to engineer around the middle of the fucking country. New England and the pacific states and Illinois should just build shitloads of vertical farms and roll with that. Fuck the flyovers. They’re by and large holding us back with their idiocy and regressive politics - or more pointedly, their gullible susceptibility to such an incredible variety of idiotic political scams.
I’m not convinced any significant part of my food is produced by flyover states. I eat local when I can, I know California is a huge food producer, but it seems like most food is from other countries.
Let those flyover states continue to milk that high fructose corn syrup I try to avoid and that ethanol I don’t use in my EV, right into an early grave
Checking the tofu (soy) in my fridge…… it doesn’t say where it is from but “distributed by” and import company certainly implies it’s sourced from other countries
Yup. Same. The food made in flyover states is mostly stuff fed to animals (which I don’t eat) or is piped into a lot of processed foods, which I try to minimize my intake of, while I try to maximize my intake of things made in California (and Mexico), etc.
They say you have to bury a farmer 10 feet down to prevent their arm from popping out of the ground to collect another handout.
So US tax payers are paying for the tariffs. Who would have every guessed?
Paying twice. You pay the tariffs on imported goods and pay again to bailout the local farmers who can’t sell their goods overseas.
Three times because we are also bailing out the country that is selling the soybeans we would normally sell to China.
Well, it’s certainly not coming from the tariffs
Slinging that welfare to the farmers. SSDD.
Ah, the good old socialist handouts!
For this large of a bailout, my groceries should be free.
No, socialism is only for corporations and now farmers too I guess.
Don’t forget other countries.
We paid out 20 billion dollars to Argentina, fucked over a bunch of American soy bean farmers in MAGA country and so he’s paying them another 10 billion to not turn on him. Cool.
Framers are millionaires. Their farmland the equipment needed to run it is hugely expensive. They voted for bailouts and tax breaks the first time, and that’s what they voted for this time. When they weren’t getting what they voted for they threatened to turn on him until he gave in. They won’t learn anything from this except that they get tax breaks and bailouts from Trump.
Bail them out now, and then what? Their international customers aren’t coming back if they already found comparable trade partners elsewhere, and the non-billionaires here are tapped out from high food prices. Won’t they just need another bailout sooner than later?
It’s actually quite simple. Bail them out now, wait for the midterms. Let the farmers go bankrupt next year so mega corporations buy up their foreclosed fam land. Then the mega corporations and billionaires get to privatize the profits and socialize the loses. There’s no better investment than that.
Yep. They get to “own the libs”, but the megacorporations will get to own their farms. Cons are not really great at thinking shit through. Being the emotionally flighty people that they are, but ironically, calling everyone to their left a “snowflake”, they are easily manipulated…
What about everyone else’s wallets that have been hurt by his decisions?
While the MAGAt fucks continue to cry about SOCIALISM.
No, this is yet another bullshit excuse to feed money to the already wealthy megacorps that are in the Ag business. Small farmers won’t get a damn thing, just like last time.
Welfare queens
I think I heard some woman politician on an older podcast episode from Thom Hartmann who was talking about sitting down with conservatives in her state and why they voted for Donvict, even though they knew he would start another trade war that would harm them - they figured he would just bail them out again.
There is a video of a farmer saying the same thing. They knew they would get bailed out.
It’s funny how timely that episode was, because I’m catching up on older episodes and I’m pretty sure the episode was from March of this year.
It’s okay guys, Trump has gained 17 TRILLION from tariffs. Biden? 1 Trillion, Trump, 17 trillion in 8 months! Imagine that!
/dripping with orange sarcasm
