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        What about the American people constantly complaining about aliens illegally entering their country? Explain this!

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        I also agree with this statement, although it’s well within the realm of possibility that life on Earth was seeded by an ancient extraterrestrial civilization. That’s a timescale of a few billion years.

        But it’s still not as stupid as thinking that the supreme creator of the infinite universe has a personal interest in how you live your life.

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        alien doesn’t necessarily mean sapient, humanoid or even anything larger than a walnut. if you took life on earth as a sample of the universe it would be much more likely for an alien lifeform to be a plant or bacteria. and even an animal is more likely to be an insect than a mammal-like animal, much less anything humanoid.

        (someone should look into the numbers my source is just vague memory at this point)

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      Also given the scale of time of the universe. We as humans have only existed for a small amout of time on the vast scale of things.

      Countless alien civilizations may have existed and destroyed themselves, and may others may have not come into existence yet.

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      “Earth First” is an interesting and compelling explanation for the Fermi Paradox.

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      People who are interested in aliens and UFOs rarely solely make this argument. Often, they’ve encountered or somehow know of these aliens.

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    Why won’t you get the vaccine? “Because idk what’s in it.” Why did you get Chinese dick and hair pills? “Because I NEED it!”

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    A lot of Christians will say no to believing in Aliens but because they believe God created humans and gave us the universe.

    Or in a similar vain, because aliens aren’t mentioned in the Bible they don’t think they are real.

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        I’m not at all saying this is how I feel.

        I was raised a Christian and considered myself one until I reached the age of reason. So I have some insight into how they think.

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          It’s funny how a lot of kids learn Santa isn’t real but keep believing in God. Maybe because learning God isn’t real is significantly more painful to the soul so they refuse to consider it.

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    Iamverysmart atheists understanding the nuances of religion and faith being an inherently irrational yet human response to existential dread challenge (impossible)

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      human response to existential dread

      I realize this was likely not intended, but you’ve ironically removed most of the nuance in why religions came to exist in this statement lol.

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    The concept of alien is inside our finite comprehension and logic. That is, if Earth is a habitable planet, and it is habituated, then there are possibilities of other habitable planets. If that so, then It’s science’s job to prove the existence of other habituated planets( eventually alien). But, maintaing this vast universe is believed to be done by an Omnipotent being/entity called God, I guess people developed this way of thinking by their conscience and comprehension. So far, science hasn’t been able to explain many cosmic events, why those happen, how they happen etc. But the melody, the harmony that lies in those events, even science sometimes has to say that those kinds of events can only be happen with the presence of an Omnipotent, conscious entity/being. Science and Religion are a total different thing. One is based on fact and the other is based on faith. Both have different psychological wiring on the mind thus people think differently towards these 2 subjects. Just let it as it be and laugh at this meme. Your faith or fact is unharmed. Don’t worry.🤝🫂

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      “But the melody, the harmony that lies in those events, even science sometimes has to say that those kinds of events can only be happen with the presence of an Omnipotent, conscious entity/being.”

      No. Scientists will collectively say “we don’t know” and continue research and asking questions. Modern scientists don’t chalk it up to God. This isn’t the 1600s.

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        Not knowing something isn’t the fault of science. Science naturally researches, digs up what it doesn’t know and then proposes an answer/explanation. But it doesn’t mean that it allies with the concept of religion. This loop will end up somewhere like: “If you know something, then you don’t have to believe it anymore. Because… Well, you know it now.” This kind of loophole will circulate around people who try to mesh science and religion together. Science “MIGHT” eventually find the answers behind those unexplainable cosmic events. If science find it, then it’ll be science’s success. But religion comes within faith. People believe something they don’t know the answer of, existence of. They live their life by the commands of the books in hope for what is promised to them in afterlife. That’s it. [ What would happen if religious people came to know about God, heaven and hell, afterlife is just the bottom pit of the loophole. If people knew those things, you can’t be 100% sure that all the ‘religious’ people would live their life according to the commands of their religion to get into heaven. Uncertainty exists both in science and in religion. ]

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          “If people knew those things, you can’t be 100% sure that all the ‘religious’ people would live their life according to the commands of their religion to get into heaven.”

          They already don’t 😂

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    If humans are born of the universe, and humans are sentient. Is the universe not its self sentient?

    The universe created life, and life experiences the Universe. The universe is thus aware of its self.

    This video depicting the concept of the Universe as a egg may also blow your mind.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fcK_fRYaI

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      • Humans are born of the universe.
      • Humans are sentient.
      • Therefore, the universe is sentient.

      Your conclusion does not follow your premises. Just because one thing has an attribute does not mean the thing that came before it has that same attribute. See:

      • Humans are born of the universe.
      • Humans are supposed to have two arms and two legs.
      • Therefore, the universe is supposed to have two arms and two legs.
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        This would all depend on peoples different views or understanding of God. Not everyone in the world may be religious or Christian, but it does not mean their view or understanding of God is any less or more correct then your own.

        I don’t considered myself religious, but I do believe in God.

        What is God, if not the Universe?

        I suppose the next though would be is God apart of the Universe, or do they reside outside of the Universe?

        If God were apart of the Universe, did they create themselves and the Universe, or did God themselves come into being at the Universe’s creation? Is God the Universe its self?

        That saying that God is all within us, at least to me seems to imply that God is the Universe, and since humans are “created of the stars” we have God within us.

        Or alternatively if God resides outside the Universe? Would that imply there is more beyond the Universe or do we simply reside in a “simulation” of sorts.

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          Great questions.

          These are the sort of questions that make talking about religion so difficult because everyone believes different things even though they think they’re talking about the same thing. These are often too many questions for online discourse, and you have to ask every person to make sure the conversation is grounded, so what happens is these questions are simply ignored and people keep bickering over misunderstandings lol. But that’s human nature I suppose.

          As far as I’m aware, many Christians believe Yahweh to be independent of the universe. He is the creator not the created.

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            Absolutely agreed, these conversations are generally very deep and definitely the Shit Post community is not the best fit for them.

            That being said this one idea always resonated with me.

            The idea that “we are drops of water joining to create the ocean”, suggesting that individuals are interconnected and form a larger whole, like drops of water merging to create a vast ocean.

            Or how’s Ajaan, the Buddhist monk in season 2 of White Lotus phrases it.

            “When you were born, you were like a single drop of water separated from the one giant consciousness. You are born, then you die to descend back into the water and become one with the ocean again. No more separated, no more suffering.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cZAe3F3rQ

            I thought this was beautiful put.

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    Unsure if relevant, since this is a meme post, but for anyone interested: faith is quite a complex concept. And this silly atheist vs religious conflict is so pointless. It does nothing but elevate some people’s egos and infuriate others.

    Sadly, both sides are heavily uninformed. Most atheists spent at most 3 seconds studying religion, while most religious people never questioned a single thing about their religion. How can you understand somebody and their point of view, if you haven’t even imagined yourself in their shoes, let alone walked in them?

    Short story is: to ‘believe’ in God, or any other religious entity, does not mean ‘to think He exists’. In fact, you can ‘believe’ in any god, while being completely convinced they don’t exist. Fact and faith are fully separate.

    At least some confusion here is intentionally created by religious institutions, like the Catholic Church. Most of what they do goes against the Bible and Jesus’ teachings, but it’s not like they care. Focusing on Christianity here, because that’s what I studied the most (my country is Christian). Same applies to Judaism and Islam. Other religions less, since these three have the biggest, most organized official structures (massive red flag in case it wasn’t obvious).

    Anyway, I invite everyone to read about and learn their so-called enemies’ ways instead of blindly ridiculing them.

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      Reading the Bible has made me despise Christianity even more. It’s not the content that upsets me, it’s the brash hypocrisy that Christian Nationalists operate by that upsets me. Too many Christians go directly against Christs teachings. It’s not rocket science either. It’s clear, concise teachings to love your neighbor as thyself… And yet they’ll say oh no that’s taken out of context… Fucking ridiculous. Christ would flip so many Christian tables. That might be what the second coming is tbh. Just flipping these flagrant hypocrites tables.

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      First, paragraph breaks. Please use them.

      Second, that isn’t how everyone feels. That is how you feel. People do in fact find it utterly hypocritical to see one thing one way and not the other and then claim to have knowledge above anyone else.

      Third, aliens are more likely than gods. Mathematically speaking.

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        1. Added paragraph breaks and will try to use them actively.

        2. As mentioned in another reply, I was referring to the base idea, and not to what people think or feel. Perhaps I failed to convey that effectively.

        3. Probably true. Hard to say for certain, but as far as I can tell, ‘aliens’ are practically guaranteed to exist, while gods are the opposite.

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      I don’t need to analyze religion to know that 9000 gods on this earth means not a single one of them is right and that single one of them is just a money scam, no further deep thinking needed, magical thinking, fuck that

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        Deep thinking is never needed. Animals manage their entire lives just fine without it!