For those who don’t find “far-right” to be an applicable descriptor with what is known currently, I acknowledge that the meme creator could have been more precise with their word choice. However, I feel the difference is academic:
We can replace “far right” with the easily verified “not leftist” without changing the meme whatsoever, primarily because the meme is about Nancy Mace and her mercurial, disingenuous opinion, not (directly) about the shooter.
Edit - I modified it, though I still find it to be a distinction without a difference - alt version for those who prefer (whoops missed one first time)
Nice that they have so clearly broadcasted their double standards
It demonstrates that rational people should not attempt to compromise with these cultists and prioritise blocking and removal. They are not reliable or consistent.
Nobody moral (who believed, at the very least, in the virtue of honesty) or rational ever gave them anything but the middle finger. But America was cooked from the get go, and with a national ethos similar to that of a greedy, unstable rapist, Trump, MAGA and everything we’re seeing now were inevitable.
I was just thinking about how i often fail to remember that this country was founded on the genocide of its prior inhabitants. We are the descendants of those responsible for that genocide. There is plenty of toxicity that got passed along the generations leading us here and it doesn’t seem likely it’s gonna go away.
Yep. And it goes back further. The religious freedom the Puritans wanted was essentially to be able to be more authoritarian.
Edited to add - in case this wasn’t blunt enough, just like conservatives have been for my entire life; the freedom they want on any given axis is actually the freedom to control others on that same axis.
There was a comedian that once said “remember, America is a country that was founded by people that were too uptight for England.”
I don’t know if that was George Carlin, but it sounds like something he’d say.
As I’m a missionary of St George, i can positively say it was not.
It was late 90’s or early 00’s. Probably one of those old comedy central compilations. Guy was flamboyant, wearing something like a Hawaiian shirt. I’m reminded of, but I’m also pretty sure it was not Greg Proops. Similar style, though.
ETA: I was wrong. Greg Proops is a national treasure, and a prophet. “Couldn’t you have worn a blazer…?”
Ironically, there’s a good possibility I internalized the same clip at the same time leading to my comment above in the first place. 😆
America’s big problem has always been that the arguments against self-improvement have always been self-referential.
Take gun laws for example, the big arguement against implementing gun restrictions is that would violate the second amendment. They don’t want to change the law, because changing the law would violate the current law.
Until America as a nation except that a 250 year old document is not necessarily relevant in the 21st century things will never improve.
Wasn’t he a Mormon? Didn’t he already find Jesus Christ? It didn’t seem to make a difference at all…
Mormons aren’t Christians, at least according to those Christians who hate Mormons. They might believe in Jesus Christ but they didn’t find him. This might seem like a distinction without a difference but only because it is.
Ypu are mistaken as to how that argument goes.
The idea is that Christianity is a separate faith from Judaism because they have an entirely different set of texts and a different view of the relationship with God and what is expected of the faithful.
Islam is a separate faith of Christianity and Judaism as it too has additional texts and a different perspective on God than what Judaism and Christianity has (which again differ themselves).
Thus LDS is a different faith because it has a wholly new set of texts, it has a radically different view of the relationship with God than every other Abrahamic faith, and we have a lot of evidence that suggests Joseph Smith was outright fabricating everything. That’s a critical difference and suggests it should be seen as something else following the same standards applied to all otherAbrahamic faiths.
I’m not mistaken as how that argument goes. I disagree with it.
In a different reply, I said "There is no authority, no person or group of people, authorized to decide who is a Christian and who is not. " and I stand with that. I didn’t deny that you can come up with arbitary criteria to exclude certain groups, especially when you are allowed to use vague language like “different perspective on God”.
we have a lot of evidence that suggests Joseph Smith was outright fabricating everything.
Do you think Paul wrote all the letters by Paul? How is this a critical difference?
standards applied to all otherAbrahamic faiths.
applied by whom? Applied by you and which army?
No True Scotsman comes to mind.
Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Scientology are all quite similar. They all have some modern founder (Smith / Russel / Hubbard) who has positioned themselves as a Abraham like figure within the religion. Someone who has been charged by god (or aliens) to write the scriptures.
They are all cults of personality, and a lot of American evangelical churches display similar traits. Charismatic preachers who become celebrities within the movement getting fame and power in the process. There seems to be something in the American psyche that gravitates to this kind of movement.
Christian or not - all of these are problems movements in my eyes.
Christian Science as well. It’s eerie how many overlaps they have with Mormons: founded by a single person (Mary Baker Eddystone), have a book they treat as scripture (Science and Health), believe they are the “one true way”, and tell people to “pray to know if the book [and the religion] is true”
So eerie, in fact, that it was the final nail in the head (so to speak) that allowed me to leave Mormonism for good
Good for you. Hope you’re enjoying being reborn.
Charismatic preachers who become celebrities within the movement getting fame and power in the process.
And wealth.
He doesn’t know the right Jesus. There are too many Jesus’s and everyone thinks their Jesus is the right one.
P sure the plural is Jesi.
I thought it was Jeese?
Jodes?
There once was a woman named Mrs. McBeavis who had 23 sons and named them all Jesus.
Every family trip was her chance to find Jesus
Lol, but she would also have to lose Jesus at least once for that to happen.
I think as long as you still have the majority of Jesus’s then the arguement could be made that Jesus left you.
That’s why the government is sending them to El Salvador, right?
No. It’s why people think that they have special circumstances and fuck everyone else’s needs.
Damn.
So when they finally caught the shooter, I exclaimed “oh thank god he’s white” and did a fist pump.
Everyone in the office break room turned, looked at me, noted that I’m brown and then just nodded safely. A couple dudes smiled in solidarity.
Didn’t we already know that from the released footage.
I suspected he would be right wing as well, after all they’re the ones with all of the guns and both people who tried to assassinate trump were right wing, which is why the republicans immediately stopped to talking about them, and trump stopped wearing his stupid bed sheet of a bandage.
The far-right stuff isn’t proven yet. He just seems terminally online.
Bare minimum he was a maga kid in a maga family, and that’s the reason for her change of tone. None of the other stuff is relevant to the point here.
The antifa and transgender shit wasn’t proven either, but it didn’t stop the fuckers from spreading that narrative far and wide. Who’s team he’s on doesn’t really matter. He hit his shot.
I never said it was. Just stop parroting every crumb of disinformation you come across.
What disinfo? He hit the shot.
Bring back? Isn’t Utah one of the fuckwit medieval states (I mean the whole country is rotten but still) that still has bloodlust punishment?
And yet, a fascist was still eradicated! Are you trying to tell me murdering murderers doesn’t prevent murders?
Who knew!?
No, that’s NOT what he’d want. He’d want us to bail him out: https://xcancel.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1587127536122732544
i got some questions for this dude, like What the Fuck and also What the Fuck
I’m just wondering if the TPUSA folks are gonna get even with Nick Fuentes or if they are going to let the groypers get away with it like the little bitches they are.
Him being killed by gang violence right after saying “including gang violence” is just the cherry on top.
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-suspect-is-a-gun-loving-trump-supporter/ This explained pretty well what the references are. The Bella ciao etc. were used ironically, but I’m not seeing this being reported anywhere else.
They will let Fuentes get away with it an just deny the truth.
Do we have any evidence of his political views from a named source that is verified to have been in close contact with him before the shooting?
Is that a requirement for a meme about Nancy Mace’s abrupt about-face? It seems a bit rigorous for a community where we share mostly regurgitated memes and screenshots.
I feel pretty satisfied. The viewer can make up their own mind, or find their own sources.
Edit: We can replace “far right” with the easily verified “not leftist” without changing the meme whatsoever, primarily because the meme is about Nancy Mace and her mercurial, disingenuous opinion, not (directly) about the shooter.
I think we should be careful promoting any claims as to why he killed Kirk. The narrative surrounding the Columbine school shooting was that the killers were loner loser nerds who were bullied and acting in revenge. The FBI profile released years later suggested they were bullies, weren’t popular nor unpopular and one of the killers likely had ASPD and would have potentially killed people in other situations.
We should be very careful how we promote the views of people involved in this crime until we know why he did it.
Lying makes the entire message fall flat
I find the meme accurate to the info I’ve seen aside from folks here in this very discussion, and have edited the body along with several other comments to clarify my personal position. You are free to disagree, of course.
There is no basis for your claim that this person is on the far right, and you’re outright refusing to take down or change the image you want to push.
Just makes it a statement backed up with a lie.
You’re outright lying
Having been corrected you continue to lie.
With no basis for your statement you continue to lie.
There’s a word for that
I’ve seen one source posted by one person here who disagrees with what I have seen everywhere else. In the (checks notes) few hours since posting the meme I’ve addressed that in a few places, but haven’t gone on a massive internet hunt to determine whether that one detail (which doesn’t change the point of the meme anyhow) may have been updated.
There’s a downvote button, and there’s a report button. There’s also a block button. You are empowered to use all three if you deem it necessary.
Not that hypocrisy carries any weight on the right, but for those who are keeping score.
For a fascist, overt hypocrisy is a sign of strength.
The sheep are bound by their previous statements. The lions do whatever they want.
When you accuse a fascist if hypocrisy, you are giving them a big, big compliment.
Anyone else finds the casing engraving situation to be a bit strange?
From a CNN article:
Officials who spoke during a news conference Friday did not address whether the inscriptions included references to trans people, but none of the writings they described appear to have any connection to that community. One law enforcement source told CNN that some of the markings instead appear to be a reference to video games.
Seems to me like they have no idea what they mean? Why have they not shared the actual engravings? They did that for the not-Luigi shooting, so I wonder what’s different.
Anyone else finds the casing engraving situation to be a bit strange?
This is the best explanation I’ve seen (and I do think the engravings are shared out there somewhere)
I’m not steeped in internet culture enough to have known all this Groyper stuff before, though I’d heard the term. However, this has the ring of truth to me, and is consistent with other Groyper descriptions I’ve seen.
This is the explanation I’m seeing most often outside mainstream media where they are too busy running around trying to analyze it and speak truthfully about his life without getting fired.
More or less the same point but with more information here: https://www.tiktok.com/@aidanetcetera/video/7549640789652032790
Just when you think the US Congress could stoop no lower than Marjorie Taylor Greene, Nancy Mace steps up to the plate and hits it way out of the park.
Is there some kind of “online discourse” about using the term far right instead of non left? That’s ridiculous.
I think some people feel that it’s overused. The trouble is that does seem to be how the world works now. You have the left wing politicians, and then you have the far right. Nobody seems to be just moderately right anymore.
So you see a lot of online comments that are accurately describing people as far right to this, and far right that, and it makes it look like the term is overused. But the truth is, the far right are just overly present.
You have the left wing politicians
All 4 of them
Non-left is a bigger tent than far-right.
Tent gets smaller every day, though
Yeah it also includes, uh…
Bring back? Do you currently not have the death penalty? That’s blowing my mind. I had no idea that was abolished in the US.
This is one of those weird right-wing talking points that can be easily disproved. I think this disingenuous discourse contributes to Fox News viewers’ perception that crime in the US is out of control when it’s actually at its lowest in decades in most cities.
The US does have capital punishment as a federal penalty, but it is not commonly used. There are particular “aggravating” factors to a federal murder charge that can make it eligible for the death penalty.
Capital sentences are far more likely punishments at the state level, and a little more than half of the states still use the death penalty.
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Christofascism in a nutshell 🤷
