time to create a polytheistic religion with 3 gods; Adonai, God, and Allah… it’ll unify those three religions into being confused and uncomfortable about my religion.
They don’t all believe in the same God though. Jews and Christians sort of do, only in part. They at least share the old testament. Muslims have a totally different God though, and totally different texts.
they all technically believe in the same God, in one version said god has a son who sacrificed himself, then Muslims built on that as well.
even though the “vibe” and lore of each God is different, technically they are all the same entity.
Muslims built on that by saying Jesus was never crucified, and someone else died in his place. Christianity is based on Jesus both being crucified and being God. They all disagree on who God is, so they can’t all worship the same God.
Three people all say they saw Santa Claus last night. They each claim they ate cookies with him. First person says Santa told him that chocolate chip cookies were his favorite. Second person says Santa told him peanut butter cookies were his favorite. Third person says Santa told them that Oatmeal cookies were his favorite.
1 none of them ate with Santa and are all lying. Or 2 only one of them ate with the real Santa, and the other two ate with fakes or are lying.
But they did not all eat cookies with the same Santa.
It is fundamentally the same Abrahamic god, but Christians believe in Jesus and the Trinity stuff while Muslims do not.
Christians believe Jesus is God. Jews (non christian Jews that is), and Muslims do not believe that Jesus is God. Therefore all three do jot believe in the same God.
Jews and Muslims have different views about God as well, so while they both may believe that their is one God, they do not believe in the same God.
destroy all abrahamic religions for the future of humanity
if only
but didn’t he free the slaves?
happy Pesach and all that
Oh look, a circle jerk.
rELiGiOn bAD!
It’s all about who the most important prophet is, and anyone that disagrees is wrong and we hate them.
Religion is wild.
Actually the hate is mutual. Muslims hate Christians and Jews, but Jews deffinetly hate Muslims and Christians and Christians hate Muslims and Jews. Abrahamic religions are the doom of the humanity.
Al-andaluz my beloved
Christians believe Jesus is god and have a Trinity thing going on.
Jews and Muslims have an entirely different concept of god than modern day Christians.
Wait until you hear about Christians’ conflicts with other Christians! Also a lot of Islamist terror is directed at Muslims who follow Mohammed’s teachings the wrong way.
There are hundreds (likely actually thousands) of Christian denominations:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations
Gonna need a lot more arms.
Jews don’t really hate anyone for not believing in their God. Unlike Christianity and Islam, Jews don’t believe that everyone has to follow their religion. They don’t really believe in Heaven and Hell, and they don’t proselytize to people who aren’t already Jews. Judaism is for the Jewish people and that’s it.
Yeah, the religion with the “chosen people” . Yep. Definitely tolerant of non-believers.
God’s wrath? This only is directed at believers right?
Lol
Jews are welcome to believe in whatever they like provided they’re not hurting anyone, but let’s not pretend their religion as written, or hell even widely practiced, is somehow more tolerant compared to other religions.
Have you read the Bible? Half of the Old Testament is God getting mad at Israel and punishing them with wars and diseases. I haven’t done the math but more of God’s wrath in the Bible seems to be directed at Israel rather than her enemies.
Gittin 57a:3-4
“Onkelos then went and raised Jesus the Nazarene from the grave through necromancy… What is the punishment of that man, a euphemism for Jesus himself, in the next world? Jesus said to him: He is punished with boiling excrement. As the Master said: Anyone who mocks the words of the Sages will be sentenced to boiling excrement. And this was his sin, as he mocked the words of the Sages. The Gemara comments: Come and see the difference between the sinners of Israel and the prophets of the nations of the world."A few things here-
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The Talmud isn’t the same as Christian Scripture and this isn’t something all Jews will see and say “Yeah that’s what I believe and it’s super cool.”
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Jesus’s “crime” here is being a Jewish heretic and leading other Jews astray. It’s not because he’s a different religion. During the time of Jesus, most non-Jews were polytheistic Pagans, and they didn’t really have a problem with other people practicing their religion. The issue the author takes with Jesus is precisely because he was a Jew and not a gentile.
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Damn, that’s crazy. I’ve never heard of this. Got any other cool, obscure “scripture?”
Edit: after looking it up, I think the part right after is just as interesting:
The Gemara comments: Come and see the difference between the sinners of Israel and the prophets of the nations of the world. As Balaam, who was a prophet, wished Israel harm, whereas Jesus the Nazarene, who was a Jewish sinner, sought their well-being.
I’m curious: why do you think it’s more interesting, and why do you think the writers made a difference?
I ask this in good faith (even though I’m an atheist), as I have my own interpretation of this topic and would be keen to know yours.
I said “just as interesting,” to be a bit pedantic. But it’s interesting because I grew up a crazy form of fundamentalist Christian, which involved a lot of fuzzy support for Judaism, by definition, as well as political support based on Israel, because…uh…God or something.
But this portion, referring to Jesus as a sinner, would cause conniptions in any evangelical church. But the idea of Jesus as a sinner is far more interesting than a perfect Jesus. Like Batman vs. Superman.
No, but a key tenet is the belief that Jews have a “higher purpose” in life than gentiles, and unfortunately this manifests as ethno-religious supremacy in the more conservative circles. A lot of the rhetoric surrounding Gaza is that Jews have a biblical right to the land over…the people that actually live there.
maybe I’m naive but that concept “or la’olam” translates to " light to the world"
i grew up thinking it meant that we have the obligation to be a source of good to the world, like we don’t have a responsibility to be good to ourselves but to the whole world, we need to become scientists, engineers, … we aren’t superior to anyone, but we’ve been chosen to dedicate our lives to improve the world.
however in many conservatives circles that is interpreted as being superior and that everyone else will eventually accept it and they will willingly become our slaves. it’s insane how the same concept is interpreted so differently.
Well, it is true that unlike other religions, Jews don’t try to necessarily recruit new people, They do try to recruit non-religious Jewish people into religion, which is still bad. And the Jewish religion still has a bunch of terrible, racist, misogynistic and overall just terrible beliefs that are inherent to the religion. And there are still a bunch of Jews who just hate all other religions, especially Orthodox Jews.
Interesting. That’s almost the opposite of Baha’is. Baha’is don’t proselytize because everyone is a Baha’i. They just haven’t discovered it for themselves yet, and they have to do that, it’s not the job of the Baha’is to do anything but live the best way they can. Their “Kingdom of God,” or afterlife is also distinctly different from the concept of Heaven and Hell as well.
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So starting from a schizophrenic as the lineal foundation resulted in a three headed god concept never contained in any canonical part of their book, the mulligan do-overs completely disconnected from their ancient ways, and the other brother magic tripping LSD globe trotter of the desert. Does that surprise anyone. What is surprising to me is that something so obviously nonsense is still so accepted.
I view it as slightly better than that interpretation. The Old Testament is what links the three. The interesting thing about the Old Testament is that it was written over a few thousand years starting around the time of two major historical events that could have precipitated what would look like a potential “apocalypse,” to anyone at the time.
The Green Sahara period had just come to an end, denying Egypt what I would imagine was a substantial breadbasket for the Egyptian, and possibly Assyrian Empires. That event may not have directly caused The Bronze age collapse, but they happened quickly enough together, that I would imagine it was a factor.
So in a period of a few hundred years, a savannah that had plentiful game and foraging turned into the largest desert in the world. The Levant went from a seemingly temperate mediterranian climate, aka “the promised land,” to a desert mediterranian climate. All the empires that you know of just collapsed in a period of 150 years. You might just get a bit superstitious, and borrow some ancient creation myths to write down the “history” of your people.
Lots of cultures did this. We know from archeological evidence that the Israelites weren’t ever in Egypt, so everything up to, and including Moses, was made up to try to teach their descendants how to live in this new horrible dying world. It’s just absolute random chance that the Israelite texts survived long enough to spawn the other two belief systems.
The green Sahara was gone 5 000 years ago when Egypt barely started being Egypt and long before Assyria, the Bronze Age Collapse happened 3 200 years ago, and the Old Testament started getting written a bit before 600 BCE over a few hundred years. The Egyptians and Assyrians already had their breadbasket, it was the fertile crescent from the Nile to the Tigris and Euphrates, it was not a desert there.
The israelite texts survived because they were written right when some big empires (Babylon and the Achaemenids) came around and then carried them over until the Greeks and Romans came by.
in my personal edgy opinion, religions are a cope & a great tool of control.
They give you hope against the biggest fear ingrained in us - death, and even worse - death being equal for everyone, good person, bad person, both will die. It’s a nice thought to believe that there is fairness to it all, that good actions should be done despite bad actions being easier. It’s a nice thought to believe there is something else after you die, and none of your good (or bad) deeds go unnoticed, that you, a good person, will live in paradise, and your enemies will finally suffer the consequences of what they’ve done.
it also helps bring people together, creates a unified peoppe and a culture of those who believe in the same thing & allows a potential leader to have an easier time rallying everyone towards the same goal.
religion is a wonderful tool for both coping with existential dread, and unifying people. but as a tool it has the capacity for explaining away both good and bad things quite equally (helping poor, crusades, personal growth, bigotry).
what relgion is based on is close to irrelevant, it just has to be something, preferably a good overall story with many smaller stories that teach the common folk how to be a good [insert religious identity]. Try reading ancient Egyptian mythology, i suspect most of that shit was written on heavy doses of psychedelics, and despite how completely insane all of it is - it unified people and was an integral part of the biggest empire of the ancient times.
honestly i don’t want to “debunk” people’s religions, if it’s something that keeps them going then why take it away, i personally tried but failed multiple times at believing in any god, but i can’t lie the existential dread of “one day i will die, no matter how much i managed to achieve, no matter how good of a person i was, i will die the same as every murderer or war criminal, and there will be no justice in that, and then, one day my name will be spoken for the last time, and i will be forgotten” is a heavy thought to bear, no wonder that as a species we’ve always tried to find some reason, any reason, for that not being the case
I fail to understand why, in religion as in politics by the way, differences and disagreements should be a problem. Diversity is a strength!
