Alt text: A line plot with 2 axis (confidence vs competence) referencing the Dunning-Kruger effect with various distro logos placed at different points on the line. Starts with mint/ubuntu near (0,0) and progressing through multiple distros to end up with opensuse/fedora at what it calls “the plateau of sustainability”

      • felbane@lemmy.world
        16·
        9 days ago

        Brother you posted this at the Americans’ lunch time (or second breakfast for the pacific coasters) ?? They were already arguing and here you come with petrol and a lit match

  • Bruncvik@lemmy.world
    66·
    10 days ago

    Mint, and I’ll stay with mint. Perhaps I’m not a good Linux user material, but I just want something that works and doesn’t get into the way. You know: a reliable, unobtrusive operating system.

      • Lung@lemmy.world
        13·
        10 days ago

        There is SO MUCH shame in that, the pitiful noob wont even learn to RTFM, and then I’ll have no way to feel superior to them as I dip my beard into my off brand morning cereal #frostedfakes

    • blargh513@sh.itjust.works
      9·
      10 days ago

      Same here. I started with mint 10 years ago, fucked around and came back to it.

      Not a Dev, but I work in tech, so it does most of the things I want and can tinker with nascent projects without blowing my foot off.

    • Destide@feddit.ukEnglish
      6·
      10 days ago

      Using mint doesn’t mean you’re bad at Linux using arch doesn’t mean you’re good at it.

      Mint is the start and the end for a lot of people for good reason.

    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
      4·
      9 days ago

      Mint is fine. If you love it, there’s no reason to leave. Personally, I’m a fan of KDE and I strongly dislike the retro-Windows feel of Cinnamon so I settled on Fedora after Mint dumped its KDE edition.

  • plm00@lemmy.ml
    38·
    10 days ago

    I want to see a graph where X ranges from “ambitious” to “I’m so tired”, and Mint is at the end. That’s where I’m at.

    • inbeesee@lemmy.world
      1·
      5 days ago

      Linux experts vastly overestimate the amount of annoyance average people will put up with. Most people just want it to work, and want to learn almost nothing. I don’t blame them, Linux is a means to an end.

    • COASTER1921@lemmy.ml
      18·
      9 days ago

      That’s kinda the case here with Debian being on the extreme opposite of Ubuntu. I don’t see any benefit of putting up with the stability issues and complexity of other distros when Debian “just works”. And once you debloat Ubuntu you just get Debian.

  • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
    31·
    9 days ago

    Oh fuck of with this bullshit. This is why linux is not on more PCs, this distro elitism.

    • Jack@slrpnk.net
      6·
      10 days ago

      Why Arch?

      Genuine question, I have been on pop os for some time now, recently changed laptop and am thinking of changing os as well.

      • TootSweet@lemmy.worldEnglish
        15·
        10 days ago

        I’m not RanzigFettreduziert, and I don’t know much about PopOS, but…

        • Rolling release is awesome.
        • Amazing documentation.
        • Helpful user base. (The forums are great.)
        • Does pretty much nothing that you don’t specifically tell it to. (Like, very little is installed without your express say-so, for instance.)
        • Customizeable as fuck.
        • Doesn’t making things harder by trying to hide the “hard parts” from you.
        • Doesn’t take days to install Libreoffice like Gentoo.
        • AUR is great for software that isn’t available in the official repos. (Always review the pkgbuild, but practically everything is there.)
        • Very up-to-date (even cutting-edge) on everything.
        • And surprisingly stable given how cutting edge it is. (That said, I’ve never run a keyword-unmasked system.)
        • Definitely will teach you a lot.
        • Very actively developed.

        Downsides:

        • Learning curve. (Definitely not as bad as, say, Gentoo, though.)
        • You’d definitely have to get really comfortable with the command line. (Arguably as much a good thing as it is a downside.)
        • The biggest exception to the “customizeable as fuck” bit is that you’re stuck with SystemD, which is practically a whole OS. (And Artix (Arch but with a choice of init systems) is… kinda janky last I tried it.)
        • Support for non-x86 (like ARM, for instance) is abysmal.

        It’s kindof the second-most hardcore OS out there after Gentoo. (Nobody actually uses LFS as a daily driver, so I’m not counting that for this.) It’s the sort of OS that will teach you a lot and let you get down in the guts. But also avoids a lot of the downsides of Gentoo by remaining a binary OS.

      • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
        8·
        10 days ago

        What Toot said.

        Things I would emphasize are:

        • The community “critical mass” is amazing with the wiki, online posts and such. You get a lot of support that isn’t ancient, jank and ad hoc like Ubuntu.

        • Arch emphasizes paying attention. It’s not a hands free OS: you have know what graphics drivers you run, and what your desktop environment is. When you update, you have to watch the log for emergency messages and such, including official notifications from the arch repos themself. It’s not a “hands off” OS where you can operate without knowing anything about it, but the reward is that shit gets fixed quick, officially, without having to stray from defaults and break your system, or accumulating a bunch of hacks you have to maintain yourself.

        • Much of Arch’s bad reputation comes from AUR. Don’t use anything from the AUR (instead of an official repo package) unless you absolutely have to. This is when stuff starts breaking. Installing standalone apps that aren’t on the repo via AUR is fine, but to be clear, avoid things that integrate with the system if you can.

        • It doesn’t have to be hardcore barebones like Gentoo, there are all sorts of Preconfigurations like Garuda and Endeavor. I recommend CachyOS (which I have kept for two years now, and will into the future).

      • RanzigFettreduziert@feddit.org
        7·
        10 days ago

        I came because of all the memes.
        I stayed to say ‘I use Arch by the way’.
        Thats all and i like the idea of a rolling distribution.

    • lilith267@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      4·
      9 days ago

      Endevour to Debian to Alpine. Planning on the move to Guix when I have some free time…

      Maybe one day I’ll hit true neckbeard and daily Redox lol

  • UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world
    24·
    10 days ago

    I don’t really care about others but please avoid Manjaro they had some shady finances and apparently don’t manage their certs correctly

      • Tortellinius@lemmy.world
        2·
        8 days ago

        What’s the issue with snaps? I’m still on Ubuntu ans abkut to switch to Debian, but for me its pretty chill atm because I don’t have to worry about updates or security. I know about the terminal aliases, which could be disclosed better, but it’s not that big of a deal to me. I thought it’s pretty cool to have a “store” that’s curated so I don’t have to worry about security, since I use Linux casually.

        • voodooattack@lemmy.worldOP
          6·
          8 days ago

          I’ll just repost this repost of my personal experience then:

          Here’s my answer to this same question from an old thread on Reddit:

          My Ubuntu system always reserved a whopping 20% of my 32GB ram for no reason and I never bothered to know why. Later I uninstalled snapd because of boot time issues and guess what happened? Only 1.5 GB used after a fresh boot.

          I had like 4 different JetBrains IDEs installed via snap with each totalling around 2GB of disk space. While removing snapd I discovered it kept back 2-3 previous versions of every package on your disk.

          Uninstalling this bloat was the best thing I did to my ubuntu system. It was suddenly light as a feather and way more responsive like I just did a fresh system install.

          Some time later I was installing something from apt and Ubuntu tried to install it from snap, thus sneakily installing snapd in the process. Looking for a solution, I felt like I was looking up how to disable Windows updates or some other shit.

          I had a moment of clarity and wondered why the fuck did I have to put up with this kinda bullshit on Linux. I wiped that drive clean and switched to Fedora.

          Edit: and there’s also flatpak which-despite being awful in some ways-is better than snap in every conceivable way.