I’ve had it with these streaming platforms. I now rely solely on RED for downloading and finding new music (their top 10 page is very solid). To stream I use navidrome.
What’s red? Got a link?
Invite only torrent tracker. It’s not enforced but it’s proper etiquette to not share the direct link. If you search for redacted music tracker on Google I’m sure you’ll find the URL.
Some info can be found here: https://interviewfor.red/
I’ve still got my old mp3 collection. but haven’t added to it in years, been using YouTube premium for a decade now since it’s the easiest option for my family. Individual sub is not worth it but family is. Tried Spotify but hated it.
I think it’s time to get my jellyfin running
I use YouTube music premium because it also means no ads on YouTube.
Same, the features and ease of use make it worth it. I can’t handle being at friends places watching YouTube with ads it’s horrid.
Kind reminder that no streaming platform is very good on the ethical front. There are no ethical alternatives because the root of the problem is the legal strangle hold labels and record companies keep on artists and commercial music distribution.
The ethical alternative is listening to mp3s straight from your own hard-drive, just like we did in the '50s.
Dude, I remember my grandpa telling me about ripping CDs back then. The computers they used were the size of entire rooms and could only rip at .5x
I can stream from Jellyfin
I have found a bunch of my new favorite songs this year on Jellyfin. Some of them are pretty old too, lol.
It worked pretty well doing it the old human-based way, where I got a bunch of albums because I liked the band or even just a particular song. Listening through those or just playing the whole pile on shuffle led me to find plenty of gems that I stuck in my playlist.
Yes!
Tidal puts artists first, and pretty awesome.
Can’t promise that’s how they are forever, but that’s how they are today.
From the shitty artist compensation, to the AI content, to their exclusive deals with Joe Rogan you need another reason to stop using Spotify???
I used Spotify premium apk for near a decade. They shut down the modded apks so I stopped using them. Not a terrible service honestly, given I didn’t pay them a dime.
Modded apks still going strong… 🤫
No shit ur still using today? A few months ago mine got shut down. Downloaded 2x other newer APK files and (I had been using mine for years) and both new ones were the same. Maybe I’ll have to try again!
Navidrome
Android user from India. Only other alternatives available here are Amazon Prime and Apple Music.
I’m not subscribed anymore, but as someone who uses the desktop client mainly it’s hard to find a good alternative (good UI, snappy)
Deezer and Qobuz are meh. I won’t use Apple or Amazon. edit: or Google.
Maybe Tidal? Are there other ones?I just found a third party player for Qobuz though. Not enough features but cute:
I like Tidal
Napster is back, believe it or not, as a legitimate streaming platform
Tidal is good so far. I don’t think it has podcasts though as far as I’m aware which is kindve a bummer
Either buy the albums from the musicians or pirate that shit and just pay to see them in concert. Fuck all these companies.
Buy on Bandcamp.
Til thry decide to tevoke ownership.
Yeah… Give some love to Ticketmaster…
Don’t get me started…just…don’t.
Sneak in and slip the roadie a 10 spot?
Would love to see a bandcamp revisit. Not as popular as Spotify but at least sales go to artists now. edit: wasn’t aware about the union busting. kinda sucks there are no good alternatives.
Back To the 70s mail order physical media
Why is nobody mentioning funkwhale in this thread?
No monitization
Yes, Spotify is not an ethical company. However, I would argue that Europe achieving defense independence from the US military industrial complex is a good thing. Germany is just two doors down from Russia.
However, I would argue that Europe achieving defense independence from the US military industrial complex is a good thing.
I would argue that spotify ceo doesn’t give a shit about europe achieving defense independence (the company donated money to trump). I would also argue that europe pretty much already spend in war as much russia does and that wasting public money in war is not a good thing.
Poland is next door and technically is also in Europe.
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I’m just teasing. Poles will know what I mean.
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No true Poleman.
He knows, he’s just pretending not to know because he doesn’t like the joke. Poland was always on the outskirts of Europe and in many aspects it’s closer to Russia than EU. Many people in Western Europe simply forget that Poland is part of EU and think about it more like about Ukraine. This used to be even more obvious and Poles had inferiority complex but now that they finally had caught up a little bit while the West deteriorated they suddenly feel real good about themselves and pretend not to remember what it was like 10 years ago.
Theres no joke here?
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Tomorrow is Bandcamp friday people.
In case anyone isn’t aware, this means that Bandcamp won’t take their usual cut, so the artist gets more money from each sale. It’s this Friday only.
Isn’t bandcamp on a road to enshit? I thought I heard they were. I love it though. Feels like a record store online.
All roads lead to enshitment
Except FOSS. Because if you can fork it, it cannot be enshittified… every time they attempt to, another fork can be made.
Sounds like an enshittification hydra.
It kinda is. One head enshittifies (coughOpenOffice), two more grow to take its place.
Doctorow is never wrong.
yay for corpo generosity?
Why does someone with $9 billion need to invest more money into anything at this phase?
Investment generally is a good thing. You wouldn’t want someone with that much money to simply hoard it. Otherwise nobody else benefits of it. Critical thing is, what you invest in…
I downloaded Spotify once and deleted it within a few days. F-them.
When I requested the data they have of me thanks to GDPR, I learnt they shared my information to other apps and websites. I deleted the app as soon as I got the info.
Spotdl is a command line program that is easy to use, you just need to feed it the playlist link and it will download all the songs off YouTube.
You can then self host with azuracast or airsonic. Azuracast is what I use but it makes it into a radio station more or less, sonic I think is more of a spotify clone. There are a few other options.
The subscription fee can then be used to support your favorite small time artists through other means, without the middle man.
Seriously, just torrent your music, downloading songs off YouTube sounds like an awful idea, automated or not.
From my understanding, it’s a bit of a bother downloading less popular music through torrents. You need a private tracker I think. For big names though, definitely the way to go.
Give soulseek a try, finding less known artists is a bit of a pain but i have had good luck finding everything i had looked for with a bit of digging.
Soulseek is still a thing? Rad. I’ll have to keep that in mind.
P2P will never die!!! (Hopefully)
That’s fair!
Yt downloads are just copy and paste a link, and the quality doesn’t really matter for anything I own, no audiofile gear.
Is there another music streaming service around, so I can leave? I use it damn near everyday and the accessibility is what I crave.
I switched to Tidal a couple years ago and I’m happy enough with it. It’s cheaper than the comparable membership tier I was paying for with Spotify. The higher fidelity streaming is nice and supposedly it pays artists the most over any other steaming service. Their recommendation algorithm doesn’t index so heavily on your favorite tracks like Spotify’s does, so I’m discovering new music a lot more.
The UX isn’t quite as smooth as Spotify’s. I can’t cast from the browser app and it doesn’t remember what I’m listening to between devices. When I first switched there were a lot more bugs but I haven’t noticed as many over the last year.
After Tidal inevitably succumbs to corporate rot, I’ll be switching to owning my own collection and self-hosting. But until then, I’m happy with Tidal.
Tidal is owned by Square (the mobile payment app/company), and I think Jack Dorsey (Twitter founder) owns that. So, probably safe to say it’s already pretty corporate.
Yes, but it’s a million times better than Spotify, Google, and Apple.
That guy sucks.
Why?
As someone who was briefly interested in his podcast/video blogs, it becomes highly apparent that his approach to everything - even something as personal as music - is completely backwards and wholly centered on poor metrics around perceived efficiency as opposed to anything remotely logical. His ideas are fully derivative of the latest trends in the worst way while missing the point on how to implement them in any kind of reasonable way. He’s just another member of the modern-category Silicon Valley CEO: hoodwink everyone, hop on bandwagons, get yours first for the least amount of cost, market yourself as an enigma, who cares about the actual product, when in doubt do lay-offs.
This is just the first article I found
https://fortune.com/2024/10/30/jack-dorsey-layoffs-streaming-music-app-tidal-block-leaked-email/
Honestly I respect the way he called musk on his bluff and forced him to pay 40+ Billion for Twitter, but this article cements him as an asshole in my book. Whenever you see a CEO saying “we need to function like a startup” what they really mean is “I have no fucking clue how to run this business, so I’m going to go back to the one thing that worked for me”, not realizing that it was mostly luck not startup culture that cemented their early success.
Talking in CEO speak seems pretty mild compared to being on the board of an AI military company. I know there is no perfect billionaire so I’m not going to advocate for Dorsey. But if that is the worse thing about Tidal, I think I’ll still support it.
Sure! I was just trying to answer the question. I’d point out that his current attitude is exactly how enshitification starts, so the writing may be on the wall for Tidal. After all, it was started as a passion project by a group of actual musicians and then sold, so the soul of it is likely gone too.
Spotify used to be the good guys, too.
Isnt Tidal responsible for the problems of high quality music formats like .ogg? Making it hard to find and download from them.
Have you tried Qobuz? It’s french.
Thank you for the rec. I will check it out, looks like theres even a mobile app.
Tidal pays the highest per play amount to artists, and Apple Music also pays high (second highest for mainstream artists after tidal last I checked), and they have a massive library -but obviously they’re an evil megacorp so use your best judgement.
I personally use Apple Music but then I’m fully ensconced in the Apple ecosystem, so it works for me.
How is Tidal evil? I’ve never heard anyone complain about anything but the old mqa standard they have since dropped.
Apple is the one I was calling evil.
Honestly thata the issue I ran into. Napster and tidal were both in the running for a minute, both were more expensive, tidal is ran by Jay z and Napster is owned by a tech bro. Honestly, I’m more inclined to go back to cd.
Its such a massive PitA to self-host things. Dont get me wrong I love the idea of it, it works in theory, and then you get an update for one of the multiple services you have to run to make it work ex-prem, or your isp does some funky stuff and drops out. There is such a massive time sink into self hosting that its not a reliable answer for 90% of people.
Have you tried Deezer?
I was just complaining about selfhosting but this, this makes me choose violence
currently i’m doing bandcamp and tidal for my two most least evil options
I use a Revanced YouTube Music app that doesn’t play any ads, and it functions almost exactly like Spotify.
I feel like this might not work as a mobile solution but will look into it
There’s a Revanced community on Lemmy, and they have a discord with all kinds of resources and tutorials to help get it all set up.
Revanced is a project that works exclusively with YT content as far as I can tell, right? This is an interesting project, i will try to follow along.
I use this too on android. Works great for streaming, but you can’t download tracks to listen offline afaik.
I use YouTube music because I all ready pay for premium, but YouTube and Google are getting worse everyday though.
Back almost a decade ago I was using Google Fi and it had access to YT Music when that existed. It was easy to use, but the content was limited and I found it very hard to find new music.
Apple music surprisingly. Good price, good bitrate, and aptx support on android.
I have become frustrated with Apple musics library management as the only Apple products I use are iPhones anyway
What is an ‘ai weapon’?
Stuff like auto targeting drones
