• TheRealKuni@piefed.social
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    Call it “TrumpCare” and he’ll sign it with glee. Get this shit done, let us join the developed world!

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    I mean, do it fucking now. (By now I mean early next year and not never, which is historically the timeline democrats work on)

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      The best Democrats can do is put it to a vote that will inevitably be shot down by a silent / lazy / cloture filibuster, and if not that, a veto by Trump. Still, they might as well do it and then point loudly to Republicans blocking the way of progress and campaign on this into 2028.

      What Democrats won this cycle was a lifeline for the party, and hopefully a shift in their direction that distinguishes themselves from Republicans in an authentic way – not just “Republican-lite.” Especially if they pick these two seats up in Alaska and Mississippi then Congress looks very favorable to them in 2028 for whoever the Democratic President will be then. Second to that, what this did was enable Democrats to apply some brakes on Trump’s active smash and grab.

      What Dems can do now:

      • They CAN skirt the silent filibuster with a procedures vote that only takes a simple majority (“nuclear option”). It’s not quite as comprehensive as truly removing it, but it would suffice (this is when Traitor Sinema curtsied and blocked its removal last time).

      • They CAN effectively abolish the Electoral College and push first at state-level and then in Congress (probably via omnibus bill) the The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Dems won enough state legislatures and Congress to do this! Put another way: If this was in place for 2016, Trump would’ve lost and would likely have been relegated to history thereafter.

      • They must start Congressional investigations, hearings, and issue subpoenas. Start holding accountable this regime and instilling fear. Already at least one Trump lawyer has resigned.

      These things alone (along with the principled legislation of M4A noted above) would set Democrats up massively for 2028.

    • MJKee9@lemmy.world
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      Bernie has been right for 70 years. The last time he was wrong, he was in diapers, and quickly apologized once he learned to talk.

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    Yes, it fucking ridiculous. CEO’s getting shot, people dying for stupid reasons…this would solve it, except the A-hole CEO’s.

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      The asshole CEOs are the ones donating campaign contributions. Until that legal bribery is reversed, the politicians will fall en mass to the will of the CEOs. But Clarence Thomas wanted an rv so now we’ve got citizens united.

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      If somebody donned a green hat each week until this passed, CEOs would move into a compound by week 3, and this would still not pass. I think it will take something much more extreme. There’s way too much for the owners to lose by letting health insurance slip through their fingers. It’s not just money, but control to keep the laborers obedient and loyal. We NEED health insurance, so we stay with our abusers. I don’t know what action it would actually take to get M4A, but I’m pretty sure that saying it would get me banned from a lot of internet platforms and maybe get feds knocking on my door to ask a few questions. It would take good trouble, to say the least.

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        It’s not just money, but control to keep the laborers obedient and loyal. We NEED health insurance, so we stay with our abusers.

        Yep, it’s part of their “jobs you can’t quit” agenda (courtesy of Doctorow).

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        Yeah, it’s not happening without a revolution. And I don’t just say that because I would prefer humanity survive its own stupidity. The way healthcare is organised in the US is so far gone that

        M4A would undermine the entire system.

        Huh…you told us this was impossible, but here it is, and it actually works far better for the absence of profit-seekers.
        Now a terrible burden of socioeconomic pressure has been lifted. Wait…what else have you been lying to us about? What assumptions have I grown up with that were not my own?

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        You’re the right for the most part. However, you can say what you like on the internet. I say we should kill all billionaires and execute Trump on a regular basis and nothing happens. Don’t make them out to be stronger than they are.

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    The economy may crash if we get rid of the health insurance companies, but it’s a sacrifice we are all FUCKING WET AND WILLING to make

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    Yep, get rid of health insurance companies aside from as upgraded coverage. Works great in France and so many other places with superior health outcomes than the US.

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      Hell I’d even be fine following the German SHI system. Just something that would actually provide actual universal coverage and regulate the out of control insurance companies.

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        They’re charging six figures for appendectomies. They have insurance pay the negotiated rate then bill you the difference. So despite insurance, if you don’t have a reasonable out of pocket maximum, you’re going in debt regardless.

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    If the rich are so happy with private healthcare then they can keep paying extra all they want, but pay into the public system for the majority who wants this and knows it’s better. No more bankruptcies or lose it when job is gone, that’s more freedom and costs less too.

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    Yup. You want to only focus on economic relief because it’s too hard for your little leadership brain and body to do more than one thing, then do something bold to actually address economic relief and fix Romneycare the right way.

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    If Democrats want to win in 2028, they’ll do this, but maybe some of them don’t want that.

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    Democrats should, but they won’t so long as Schumer and Jeffries are in positions of power.

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    Health insurance companies are a network of scams to try to milk people of their money. Decisions that should be made by someone who is a Doctor of Medicine have been taken over by greedy capitalists. The system will be insanely simple and cheaper with a single-payer system. I stopped paying for private health insurance years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_healthcare

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    Recognize that corporations, and unions, want control of your health care to use as bargaining chips. That’s why it’s hard to get either side to let it out of corporate control.

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      I’ve been organizing unions for years. I’ve never once met a union staffer that wanted private healthcare over public healthcare to maintain bargaining power. Unions bargain healthcare because we have to, not because it’s a bargaining chip. If private healthcare dies, that creates substantially more bargaining power for workers.

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        Yep. If employees (union or otherwise) aren’t beholden to their employer for health care then those employers have to offer better pay and benefits to get and keep good employees.

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        Union staff are not the same people in leadership, especially among those deciding what candidates get donations or support.

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          The presidents of international unions are not the ones negotiating contracts. That would be the bargaining committee, and some staff from the union local.

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      Yep. They use it to keep you working. Do the math to see how far away you are from retirement if you weren’t saddled with healthcare premiums. It is bonkers that every single citizen is not in favor of it.