And here come the paper tigers bearing blunted teeth. Just as Trump did.
This is the game that’s always played. The few will see through it and continue demanding improvements to their lives. The rest will want another show.
Another show. We had Trump put on a show non stop. The other side wants their show now. This country is so lost.
We even got the lame jokes just like Reddit. Nothing will get fixed. Nothing will change. People want things like this.
Democrats do not want a show, we want people that broke the law and violated the constitution held accountable for their actions.
People are stupid, after all.
Bovino tried to skip town but they easily found him by looking slightly down.
They found him standing fully upright under his desk.
They were surprised to find that he wasn’t just three children under that trenchcoat, he really is just that small
There’s a lot of hopium in this chat.
It will be interesting if things happen or if the ratchet just clicks.
Well Hakeem Jeffries already said we shouldn’t try to punish the people breaking laws. Those people being politicians of course. Straight to jail if you’re a serf and have a specific plant growing in your yard though.
Lol, remember the Muller report stuff? People are always hoping someone else will fix shit for them, or that the system works like they want it to.
Its so god damn frustrating too because they think doing the same thing they did the last 10 elections is somehow going to fix things this time but it never does. Then they stand in the way of progressives because that status-quo liberal they have their eye on “is their best chance.” “Best chance” at what exactly, our continued decline into madness?
There’s a lot to be hopeful for.
This year was a very bad Senate map for Dems, 2028’s map is very good for dems. We’ve got a very real possibility of having all three branches of government with a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.
Dems don’t want a filibuster proof majority they would figure out a way to make it just one vote shy. But they prefer to actually be one vote shy or we would be inclined that when they do nothing it is by their own choice.
That’s a good axiom, another good axiom is that white voters in the south will die before voting for a black democrat
They can always blame the parliamentarian
We slowed the progression of the ratchet on Tuesday.
We reverse it in the primaries.
And then when the primaries roll around, you’ll be telling people that “now is not the time to try and rock the boat because their potential opponent are evil and must be defeated.” It’s always the same excuses.
There was a lot of hopium going on weeks before the mid terms. All the “Don’t trust the polls” or “They’re going to rig the election” or “Watch all this be for nothing” as well, and look how well that turned out.
We need to make an international spectacle of prosecuting these crimes so the world can see that USA can, in fact, take out the trash. For our own safety and credibility.
I’m sure jeffires and schumer have other plans. The next battle is voting them out of speakerships.
Pretty sure it’s a budget standoff. Try to act a victim get all the news spots talking about it. All the while the democrats we just elected are like, “let us hold people accountable.” And their deal will magically not let them have a budget to do that.
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Screenshot please. I’m not giving them clicks.
lol, it’s a re-post of a TikTok video
I bet the actual video is out there somewhere without all the cruft.
Edit: I think this is it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOz7J-76sOE
For our own safety and credibility.
Do it for your own safety. The credibility bit is now a generational rebuild process. The world doesn’t trust you guys anymore. The process to decouple from the US is already in motion and its not going to stop. The damage is done.
Lol, yesterday it was all, “You guys need to do something! You need to fix this! All of you Americans wanted this! You’re ALL pedophile lovers!”
Today it’s all, “It doesn’t matter that you protested and organized and worked the polls and wrested control of your legislature and state governments back against overwhelming odds and electoral fraud and ballot fuckery and gerrymanders and billionaire cash and endless streams of propaganda from every direction and threats of ICE violence at the polls and everything else they threw at you! NO! It’s not good enough and never will be!”
Good thing I concentrated my efforts on real life and not on the impossible lines in the sand laid down by people who don’t even live here.
The loss of trust is not a new phenomenon. It started with GWB. It’s also not connected to the USA acting against their stated core values; that is basically the default MO of American foreign policy.
It’s about consistency. In world politics a decade is a short time and four years are a moment. Treaties are expected to last for generations and major shifts in a country’s foreign policy are expected to be rare and usually connected to internal upheaval.
That’s how the States have operated. Not always the nicest country around but a very reliable trade partner. After WWII they provided military defence to their allies as long as those allies let them be the leader of the alliance. All of this in a very reliable manner.
GWB already upset this when he started bullshit wars, expected everyone to participate, and (most Importantly) fucked with trade to coerce countries into joining him. Suddenly the USA weren’t such a solid trading partner anymore. Obama had to do a lot of work to convince people that this was just a fluke and that there was no reason to reorient trade flows.
Then Trump I happened and besides all of the obvious bullshit he did he also fucked with foreign policy big time. Trade agreements (even ones that favored the USA) were voided, treaties were left, and organizations the USA themselves had built were antagonized. NATO was downgraded from a formidable America-centric alliance to one that might need to be able to work without or even against America. Trump made clear that American foreign policy fluctuating wildly between presidents was not a fluke but to be expected.
Biden could barely do anything at that point. Maybe eight years of someone more charismatic than Obama and with full parliamentary backing could’ve helped but the Biden presidency did jack. And even the most bestest government ever couldn’t have fully undone the loss of trust in America’s consistency.
Then Trump II rolled around and things got even worse. Now American policy can shift wildly within days. Trade behavior that partners need to stay consistent for decades is in constant flux. Pivoting trade and other agreements away from America-centric to multilateral is the only sane play at this point and that process will take years and cost trillions. Of course nobody is going to pivot back at a moment’s notice.
Seeing American voters wake up and finally demand proper governance is amazing. Seriously, good job, guys. But what you lost internationally is not a reputation for not being Nazis, what you lost is a reputation for being consistent and reliable and the only way to rebuild that is by proving that you can play nice for decades at a time. Some things simply take a lot more time to build than to break.
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You’re dumb
You’re replying to a comment you don’t even know what it said, lol
They can still see what you wrote in their notifications of your reply.
A lot of people over there still voted for Trump, still want guns & oil, and used the midterms to try and undermine the democratic process. Every country has an irrational evil selfish group, but maybe yours did so much damage to the world it needs to be visibly contained and diminished for longer than 1 midterm for people to not be wary of Americans.
I don’t think you read what I wrote.
I don’t need your trust, and neither do the progressives we just elected. The old world order is GONE. And your vaunted “trust” is one of the casualties.
Why are you still pining for what can never be brought back? There is no pre-Trump world anymore. It’s gone.
Be wary all you like, and in fact you should. It was your governments’ lust for American dollars that caused them to throw aside your own national security and/or resources and rely on us for what they should have been building toward all along. That’s not on us, that’s on you.
And it would be best if you faced forward and started doing for your own countries what you should have been doing all along.
Your newfound “wariness” would be the healthiest and most productive thing the entire world could hope for right now. Best get started.
EDITED to add: Don’t just take my word for it. Take it from Bernie Sanders:
According to a recent AP poll, 80% of registered voters want either “complete and total upheaval” or “substantial change” in how this country is run. And that includes 97% of Democrats, 90% of independents, and 58% of Republicans.
In other words, the American people understand that the economy today is rigged and that we cannot continue the ‘same old, same old’ establishment politics and establishment policies.
The “establishment policies” Bernie is specifically referring to, among other expenditures, is military spending.
In America today, we spend more on the military than the next six nations combined. Despite massive waste, fraud, and abuse, the Pentagon has repeatedly failed independent audits and cannot account for trillions of dollars in spending. Adding insult to injury, Trump has dragged us into an illegal and unconstitutional war in Iran that will cost hundreds of billions of dollars.
We must end this disastrous war.
We must cut off all funding for the genocidal government in Israel.
And we must substantially reduce military spending. Instead of pouring $1.1 trillion into a bloated Pentagon and never-ending wars
So if your heart is set on keeping everything Trump has destroyed samey-samey, buckle up because it’s gonna be a rocky fucking ride. Bernie’s looking forward. You should be too.
yesterday it was all, “You guys need to do something! You need to fix this! All of you Americans wanted this! You’re ALL pedophile lovers!”
Today it’s all, "It doesn’t matter that you protested and organized and worked the polls and wrested control of your legislature and state governments back against overwhelming odds
The late Sir Patrick Stewart said it best “When America sneezes, the whole world catches a cold. And I think America is about to get a very bad flu.”
You guys needed to do something in the same way the loud, annoying, drunkard neighbours need to put out that fire they lit on their front porch before the whole house catches fire and spreads to neighbouring houses.
You can absolutely not trust someone and still expect them to take responsibility for their actions.
I live here, and I don’t trust Americans after this shit.
You’re also a three day old account on an Australian instance, with 234 comments in just three days, mostly Nazi killing content, who has posted that you “live here” more than once on just this thread alone.
For myself, I like quokk.au and looked into joining it, but the response times are way too slow for me on the East Coast.
Also, if you could clarify:
I live here, and I don’t trust Americans after this shit.
After what shit, specifically? It’s kind of a strange thing to say. Me, I haven’t trusted Americans my entire life, being one, but you – some unnamed shit has changed everything about trusting the people of your own land. What might that shit be that has now ended for you and made you feel safe enough to share your concerns?
its true I didn’t super trust them on a personal level, but after this I don’t trust Americans to manage a McDonald’s, wipe their own asses, or walk five steps without deciding everything bad that ever happened to them was caused by The Jews. I was kind of a misanthrope before all this, I thought I’d found the floor, and these mother fuckers burrowed through the mantle.
Huh. I’d have conceded us at least clean asses for the most part, but okay. I can’t say I’ve ever really looked at my fellow Americans in exactly that light, or known any that do, but thank you for clarifying.
Any reason you still want to make your life and home among us?
I’m poor and you don’t fix problems by running away.
Nuremberg Trials 2.0
Nuremberg wasn’t enough.
every threat actor, and families of substantial threat actors must also be punished.
Yes, please Mamdami the shit out of your country! Literally… and urgently.
I suggest this town host the trials
Yes you do. And even then, things will never be the same. There’s no guarantee you will never pull the same stunt again…or worse.
“fool me once shame on…me? Fool me twice…er…you can’t get fooled again”
- US President that turned out to be far from the worst
PS: Trump presidency is not over yet
Those other countries need to deal with THEIR own far right extremism. They sure have a lot of advice for the US but they still have issues too.
Also just a friendly reminder that Spain was openly fascistic under the Franco regime until about 40 years ago give or take. Countries can restore their image pretty damned fast, mind you I still am hoping for federal dissolutionment but I’m a California nationalist so…
Optimism and complacency are sometimes hard to distinguish.
The US never had credibility
There’s a reason why the civilised world sneers at them
Show me a civilized world.
Trump has ran up the Deficit by $25 Trillion dollars in the six years he’s been in office on this wasteful shit. He should pay it back.
Everything he owns should be repossessed and auctioned off to cover the costs of restoration for the things he’s wrecked.
And his kids. And anyone he has done “business” with. And his cabinet and advisors and their kids and anyone they have done "business"with. And any person or company that has done well during his term.
Yay! Literally yay! Imprison them all. Every single one.
And don’t forget to disband ICE. Preferably roll back all valid functions of DHS to other government departments and close down that too. It was never necessary or even beneficial.
DHS has always been a fascist overreach disband the agency and return the agencies currently under DHS and put them back where they belong, coast guard back to the military, secret service back to Treasury dept and so on
Maybe put them back on the borders checking bags for smuggled cheese. The primary duty they were trained for. How they went from that to secret police is wild.
I’m curious to see how you think the Democrats are going to unilaterally disband ICE when the President would have to sign that law (he won’t) and he could really just reorganize another bureaucracy to do the same horrific ICE shit under a different label.
Twenty five upvotes for you and what you’ve described is literally impossible. Congrats to the whole team.
They can’t get rid of it without being able to pass legislation, but they can decide to not fund it, or just fund border protection activities exclusively. So, when their current funding runs out, new funding has to come from Congress. They can choose to just not.
Money. Remove the funding. Make them run on the smallest budget to where operations are severely hampered or outright abandoned. Pass laws that severely hamper their control and start impeaching federal judges that don’t uphold the law. At least public exposure of the corruption and consistent public lambasting of Republicans that block justice may fire people up.
It’s not perfect, but it would do something to dampen it. It’s not going to be a light switch change. Nothing can be a light switch change. It’s easier to destroy than it is to build/fix.
Pass laws that severely hamper their control
Can’t Trump simply veto any such laws?
He can, but then it can get kicked back to Congress for another vote that then requires 2/3 of the Senate and House to pass. If Republicans still don’t play ball, Dems can, and should, continue to be veeeeeeeeeery vocal about this is what the people want and once again the Rs are not governing of the people, by the people, or for the people.
Yes but these people don’t feel the need to be restricted by reality.
Perhaps impossible unilaterally, but worth bringing up. We’ve already seen how powerful online conversations can be.
He wouldn’t anyway, ICE is attached to Palantir and Palantir supports mostly dems
And before anyone says “what about the–” the answer is yes, arrest and imprison in accordance with the law, regardless of party affiliation
We have to take out the people at the top for the illegal orders, but I do actually think it’s just as important to take out the people at the bottom who followed them.
Make following illegal orders a liability and we’ll have another layer of protection from this bullshit.
Nothing will happen.
Yep. If nothing happened after J6, definitely nothing will happen now.
Uh… about 1600 people were charged and over 1200 were convicted of crimes related to the Jan 6 insurrection.
Trump pardoned them all on his first day in office. With a Republican-controlled congress that wasn’t inclined to do anything to stop him. But saying nothing happened is a ridiculous over-simplification.
Well if they hadn’t sat on their asses for four years and charged and convicted Trump, he wouldn’t have had a chance to even run for office in 2024. Instead they waited until after he’d already won the Republican nomination just months before the election to bring charges.
They could have also done something with all the Epstein files that they’ve possessed this entire time, but instead here we are nearly 8 years from Epstein’s arrest and they’re still being hidden and the only person who’s even been prosecuted was the woman who worked for him.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. Historical precedent, Trump first this happened. It just stopped the extreme bullshit and speed of execution. Pretty much no one got held accountable in any meaningful way
Until the Dems purge the olds Dems, the ones that support the billionaire class. I’m not as hopeful that anything will improve. We’re just back to stalling and nothing changing for the better or worse
How about we show them how due process works.
List all their crimes, then (if they live long enough to get to the end of the list) they can be imprisoned.
Cut off the escape routes, then start cleaning up:
- lock out pension / retirement benefits for individuals under investigation
- decimate the DHS/ICE budget
- daylight everything
The litmus test: if they’re not running scared, the good guys aren’t working hard enough.
Getting Vought should be job #1.
That shitheel Vought said that civil servants should feel traumatized by Project 2025.
We want the bureaucrats to be traumatically affected. When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down so that the EPA can’t do all of the rules against our energy industry because they have no bandwidth financially to do so. We want to put them in trauma.
Not only does HE need to feel traumatized, but assholes within organizations like ICE need to feel traumatized.
Treating civil servants like that little creep did should be something that we need to come down like a ton of bricks on.
Getting Vought should be job #1.
I’ll have “overlap between real world politics and The Boys” for 300, Alex
I had to stop watching The Boys midway through whichever season introduced Firecracker because that shit started getting way too real and my blood pressure would skyrocket.
he needs to feel nothing ever again.
*destroy. Decimate means to reduce by 1/10th. That is not what we want here.
Yeah I’ve been imagining for the past few years that if I were ever elected president, I’d declassify literally everything I possibly could. Shine the light on every bullshit fascist act of war we’ve ever committed, bring out the truth on every conspiracy, tell everyone in the world what the government and corporations have been doing behind the Peoples’ backs.
if one is still alive, if they’re not killing themselves as the only escape, you’re not going hard enough.
Good. Don’t forget people like Musk, too.
https://www.wonkette.com/p/well-now-we-have-to-send-elon-musk
You’ll know the Democratic Party has changed when they start going after the billionaires.
How about you start with him? Should be top of the list.
Bullet to the head
I think we are now firmly back in the prison for life stage
So next election cycle
ohhh nooo, wahhhhh
This is FALSE! We’re focused on NOTHING and will Remain COMMITTED to Nothing!
-Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer!
hakeem and schume serves as a lightning rod for other israeli aligned dems too, gotta votes those out to.
Maybe they’ll get some clarity on that $495 million purchase of the prison in Minnesota from CoreCivic.
It’s going to be a golden era for litigators.
If only there were a large pool of experts recently fired from the Justice department by the exact administration they would need to investigate. Wouldn’t that be something?
Maybe litigators that know where bodies are buried?
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GoFundMe link?
They can print money so they’ll be fine
