Right? Like apparently ‘no kings’ is very against civil disobedience. What? Our little group walks and fun signs are going to change systemic and heavily class based issues? Get real…
Ok but I hope that you do more than complain on internet about people that are or could be on your side.
Things need to start somewhere and amplify from there.
Revolution is not made possible by one single riot that would appear magicly out of nowhere.
Haven’t the US historically dropped bombs on their rioters?
My mind immediately went to the MOVE bombings in Philadelphia in the 80s, but that couldn’t really be called a riot.
I do think that was just somebody’s house.
Seems like a straw man argument: the squeamish people are likely not in the same group that are admiring French protests…
BLM was planned as a peaceful protest— then the white supremacists showed up to break windows, set fires, and escalate the violence. As usual most of America fell for it because we fear black people more than we dislike fascism.
https://theintercept.com/2020/07/15/george-floyd-protests-police-far-right-antifa/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/29/umbrella-man-white-supremacist-minneapolis/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/22/white-supremacists-rightwing-domestic-terror-2020
I’m not American, so I may be wrong, but I feel like the ‘Americans can’t protest’ people, and the ‘please protest peacefully’ people are two entirely separate groups.
Personally I would absolutely agree with the statement that Americans can’t protest. Not just like the French, but at all. They’ve been socially engineered to be obedient ever since their country was founded (literally).
And I would also not disagree with Americans burning down police stations. Others may, but I’m pretty sure they’d never agree with the statement in the first place.
Don’t forget America has a militarized police force that will shoot us.
Seems you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, America had a rich history of striking and unions up until Reagan essentially, so much so that there are many examples of the military being used against protestors to break up strikes and such.
I’m not sure about a rich history. There was a period of protests post WW2, but it was pretty thoroughly squashed.
Which is odd.
America was a country literally founded on a protest, helped by, of all people, the French. They have such a wonderful protest heritage and then they collectively decided “nope, we are meek and love the billionaire boots on our necks and ruling class dicks in our asses”.
The country that invented gorilla warfare has lost every major war to it in the last 80 years.
gorilla warfare
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gorilla warfare
Founded on genocide and slavery mostly. And then wanting to break loose from the Brits.
Wanting to break loose because the Brits wanted to end slavery and reduce genocide.
Pepperidge Farms remembers bunker bitch
He was checking on his covfefe supply before a CostCo run.
This seems like the goomba fallacy to me
That’s because our country was sold a long time ago. The Heritage assholes and Ronny Rayguns took their victory lap 45 years ago.
Obedience and tolerance to the intolerable were beaten into anyone younger than that, and all they had to do was give the 1980s Americans an ever revolving target of innocent minorities to be the vessel of their contempt.
Now there is nothing left to strip from the economy and the billionaires are now desperately looking for another place to loot, and there is nothing left. Thanks to globalism, they already ate the planet.
If we don’t find a new way forward, capitalism is going to eat itself and us along with it.
Goes back way further than that… The simple fact is that America has never been a progressive nation that ever cared about social equity or equality.
The reason Americans cannot protest like they do in france is because the American police system was molded off of the system the slave owning Confederates developed to fight against potential slave rebellions. A system that marries institutional violence from the state and extrajudicial violence from the populace with a ruling majority to maintain a strict social hierarchy.
Goes back way further than that…
colonizers used to teach natives to ‘turn the other cheek’ in the face of injustice
I’ve been thinking about what comes after, and I think an energy based economy is the future.
Using watts as a currency, since any action in reality requires energy to change it’s state. Biological or otherwise.
Covering everyone’s basic needs and then distributing the surpluses of energy to people to engage in commerce, research, recreation, etc.
It removes the speculative nature of money, which is a side effect of the abstraction from reality that money is.
I mean… That’s kinda been a thing since the establishment of the petrodollar.
Except that isn’t the direct energy conversion of a unit of energy. I’m talking basing the economy off of an objective scientific standard.
The petrodollar isn’t a good example because it just mandates that oil be traded for in USD, meaning it forced the demand for USD, but the dollar isn’t a direct conversion for a unit of oil.
My basis is that electricity (or power in the physics sense) is the currency of reality. Energy states configures matter and govern how it behaves. On an economic level, the entire process of pulling ore from the ground, refining it, and turning it into a finished good requires equipment, which is another sub process requiring some material and energy cost, and energy to run the process. Since we have entered an age where information can be easily gathered via sensors, and processed so quickly, we can transfer to an economy that uses energy as currency directly. Especially as humans are further and further removed from the labor process via technology.
Wouldn’t they just monpolize solar energy by hoarding the silicon resources? I feel like this wouldn’t solve exploitation or wealth disparities.
In my opinion, Marx was right about the abolition of private ownership. Ownership is a social contract, and social contracts can change. A lot of wealth disparities come from this system of land ownership that promotes inefficient use of prime real estate through perverse incentives. And an entrenched class of landed gentry will always push a country towards autocracy.
energy is the currency of civilization.
Why would rich people let money become obsolete?
I don’t think they are going to have a choice in the end.
Yeah but they did that for black people so like…it was wrong.
They get to worry less about getting shot by said police.
The logical fallacy that people who say things years apart are the same people.
The conflict of that person’s username and display name is wild
So far all the protesters in France achieved is a bump in the polls for Le Pen. Yay!
Litterally no poll was done from data after this event yet.
Ifop is also called opif here, which basically means random.
Anyway far right is always way overestimated in France. When election come they go down 15%. Lookup 2022 presidency. The far left is also heavily underestimated. Center is inflated too vs real results (France dems kinda)
This time over, the far left is much higher. Whatever the poll says, Le Pen might very well not even make it past the 1st round
Ok, so there are recent poll, just not the ones you like? Also, I’m not talking about how accurate the polls are overall, just that Le Pen advantage grew after the protests and that it will probably keep growing as the protests get more violent.
You brought out polls that are irrelevant to this week end protest.
You look like a happy fascist by the way. Enjoy because it’s not gonna last.
Where does it say that this post is specifically about this weekend protests and not protests from previous weeks or even older ones? Nowhere, you invented this because you don’t have other arguments.
You look like a happy fascist by the way.
You also invented that I’m happy about Le Pen potential win. You basically just imagine things and think those are somehow valid arguments.
I think what you meant is that all the french government achieved so far is a bump in the polls for le pen. Again.
If you put all the blame for the violence on the government than yes.
They’re the ones in charge of preventing it, both at a societal level and more directly during the protests. It’s entirely their fault if they would rather tear gas people playing music and peacefully marching and protect macron’s wife family business.
This week police also responded with force to teachers protests in Madrid and anti-right demonstrations in A Coruña but no one started looting stores and burning down public buildings. I think in Spain most people realize that escalating violence doesn’t lead anywhere. Elections are close, it makes sense to organize, show dissatisfaction, rally voters. What does rioting achieve? Nothing. I really don’t know why people on lemmy keep confusing violence with protesting.
Everything got worse for black people afterwards, just like our financial system and income inequality which lead to fascism got worse after Occupy.
I don’t know the answer, but riots don’t work well in the US.
