Trans women athletes rule
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This community is not a place to debate the participation of trans women in sports.
Here’s a digestible video on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flSS1tjoxf0
Long story short the entire subject is being pushed by right wing lobby organizations to get people riled up about trans people and secure votes for the right. That’s it. Do not fall for their bullshit.
I haven’t watched John Oliver’s video on the subject yet but if I recall correctly, trans athletes don’t even tend to place first in their own divisions. So the whole idea of them being “roided up naturally” is just plain silly. It’s all just a right wing fantasy built to divide the left and supercharge conservatives on election days.
They’ve been allowed to participate in the Olympics for over 20 years, and no Trans athlete has ever won a medal.
Ayup. Pretty famously there’s a swimmer that became a conservative activist named Riley Gaines. She was radicalised because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman named Lia Thomas in the NCAA. I think she was mainly just salty because she had to hold the sixth place trophy while Lia held the fifth place one during the photoshoot afterwards. Lia did go on to come first in a different event at the same meet (Edit: that Riley didn’t even compete in), but that just goes to show that she had a favoured event that she was best at, like almost all swimmers.
For what it’s worth, Riley said that the reason she was radicalised was, and I quote from wikipedia:
In 2023, Gaines said that Thomas shared locker room space with her while still intact with “male genitalia”.
Which is just inane. It’s not like someone with a vagina can’t sexually assault someone else with a vagina, having a penis doesn’t make that easier.
Yeah, it’s pretty fucked up rhetoric that feels like it’s making people less safe in two ways: it builds the impression that people with vaginas don’t assault people, and it treats penises (and the people who have them) as inherently dangerous. Bioessentialism is gross on so many levels
Not to mention if these fuckers weren’t making it so goddamn difficult to get GA surgery, then maybe she wouldn’t have had to have been hanging dong in the locker room. I am quite confident that’s not something she does because she wants to.
Eh, some of us do choose not to get surgeries. Dilation is hard work!
“the only sport i have an unfair advantage in over you is sumo wrestling, Bethany.”
Sumo is really the ultimate fair sport. There are no weight classes. Very few rules (setting aside the unwritten Japanese cultural traditions).
Watching sumo, you quickly learn why every other fighting sport has weight classes.
does that make it a fair sport or a really unfair sport? also I saw a YouTube video something along the lines of “where’s the glory” in the thumbnail, it was REALLY interesting
It’s the difference between equality and equity.
https://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/equality-equity-fence.png
Would that not make it a fairly rich person’s game? Their calorie intake is like 20,000 calories. Throw in the ability to train and eat while being able to afford that, Id find it hard for most people
Joke’s on you: All sports at basically all levels are a rich person’s game.
Luck is just the culmination of one’s self-compounding privilege.
I think many high level competitive sports are a rich man’s game.
Behind a lot of athletes (from automotive to sports combat), are a sponsor or “team” that handles a lot of the talents needs and training.
Still, the only way I could afford 20k calories daily would be gas station grub and cheap sugary booze.
Written by The Chaser?
It’s like the Australian equivalent of The Onion.
Earth is stupid.
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Don’t care. This is about right and wrong.
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Michael Phelps has an inate advantage but no one seems to give a shit. In a truly just world trans women would be allowed to seek excellence and be valued for their capabilities instead of shunned. For the record I don’t really think trans women have an advantage over similarly matched cis women. I just think the notion of fairness in sports is inherently ridiculous.
It does seem sensible to require some proof of some set time of hrt for trans athletes in top level competition, and that’s about it. Once you’ve been on E for a while all studies I’m aware of show there really isn’t any inherent advantage to being AMAB.
And for any lower competition levels it doesn’t really matter anyway since you can likely find cis women that are better than the men anyway, so who cares if some trans girl has some physical advantage while she waits for hrt to start or whatever.
It actually kind of pisses me off that the government is so involved in sports. It’s ridiculously stupid. Like the time when Congress was investigating the football that was deflated in a game. Like why does it even matter? It’s a game. The outcome is irrelevant to anything else important going on.
It’s like if the cops came to your house for playing monopoly wrong or something
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objectively
- https://www.forbes.com/sites/lindseyedarvin/2024/04/25/transgender-athletes-could-be-at-a-physical-disadvantage-new-research-shows/
- https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/11/577.full?ijkey=yjlCzZVZFRDZzHz&keytype=ref
There are very few studies on the topic. Do not reply to this comment as we will not allow a debate on this very divisive topic quite literally designed to use transphobia for political gain by the right.
I will say this: It’s possible trans women have some advantages, and it’s also possible we have disadvantages. Either way in reality there has not been any issues of trans women infiltrating sports and ruining it in any way. Until there is more data debating our participation in sports is not worthwhile. Remember that this topic is being pushed by lobby organizations specifically because it gets people riled up.
Fun fact. Trans women have competed in roller derby- a contact heavy sport- for decades; and no advantage has yet materialized
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Transfemmes have every right to participate in sports that match their gender.
Sports divisions kinda need to be overhauled anyway. Would be nice to have it based on the actual physical factors that affect a human’s performance in a specific sport, instead of just 2 groups for everything with blurry definitions and a massive overlap in terms of said performance.
