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Assembly Bill 2164 authored by Assemblymember Rebecca Bauer-Kahan (D-Orinda) would have prohibited California’s governor from recognizing a request for extradition of a person related to their providing a legally protected healthcare activity in the Golden State to transgender individuals, or if they provide reproductive services. It provided certain exemptions, such as an extradition required by federal law.
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This is why I dont want him as a presidential candidate. 😒 We cant allow people to get hunted down so his chances of winning are better. MAGA wants to force facism upon us and I’m not willing to let establishment dems move their moral compass.
Mark my words, he would NOT hold anyone, including trump, accountable. He and the other paid-fpr establishment dems would say, “Oh, we need to move on as a country.” No we don’t, we need accountability, STARTING with the dems!
“We’re looking forward not back”
That’s their oldest ploy.
He also vetoed telework protections for us state workers and we are on the verge of a strike because his admin has returned our union’s proposals with… ZERO. Literally, NOTHING. Their response to our demands in union negotations was ‘how about nothing, instead?’
He has clearly become red-pilled, idk what’s wrong with him but the most cynical interpretation would be money, stupidest interpretation would be he thinks this will help him become president.
On that note, when I see news covering Cali state worker telework, they love to go to the streets and find everyone they can to interview who’s attitude seems to be “fuck you, I can’t work from home so you shouldn’t either”
I can’t help but feel like that’s intentional to turn people against remote workers
I mean… Even if they’re just selfish assholes, do they not get that traffic is getting worse again because agencies and businesses are forcing return to office? That more people working remote is actually good for people who can’t for whatever reason too?
Sorry, tangent; but GN’s attitude on this has yet another incredibly frustrating and bad bit of policy from him
I really hope he doesn’t run for president, and if he does, that he gets shut down early in the primary.
It’s so funny I met a friend of a friend the other day and telework came up and she said ‘and I bet other people say, we can’t do it so u guys shouldn’t either!’ I laughed it off. Awhile later I asked her what she does for work and she said ‘state worker’ LOL
Ya its hard to say what the whole population thinks of course but I hope some ppl realize if we get a win on this their chances improve. Most office workers don’t have the luxury of a union but if we get a win and start peeling off talent, the chances private sector embraces goes up!
As for GN I hope someday we figure out the real reason behind his sudden turn because even the most cynical political motives don’t make a lot of sense. He is largely disliked in Cali from what I can tell, if he were to run for prez someday I’m not even sure he could get Cali in the primaries so why burn all state workers? We’re not a huge percentage of state residents but he’s not only shooting himself in the foot with us but our kids are future voters, there’s City and county employees and UC families… It just seems incredibly stupid.
Newsom is a neoliberal. Neoliberals are conservatives. He is controlled opposition. He will try to trick the public into believing he is progressive in 2028. He is a pathological liar and conman just like any other conservative.
Basically he said that he thinks this should be left up to the governor, whoever that is, and no matter how righteous and well intentioned, the issue shouldn’t be decided for all time this way, eroding future governors’ authority.
What a spineless position. Why pass any laws at all? Why not leave everything up to the whims of whoever is in office?
Doesn’t the legislature decide issues all the time and enshrine those decisions for the future in law? Isn’t that what they do? Why the fuck should extradition for providing healthcare be any different? Isn’t he “eroding the authority” of the legislature in saying no, we should leave this as governor’s discretion, just in principle?
I’m not just hating Newsom reflexively here. I seriously don’t understand his argument, despite trying.
His argument is that other republican states will use this as precedent for disobeying federal law, I’m just not sure how he hasn’t realized Republicans don’t care about precedent at all
I’ll attempt to suss it out a little bit, as you seem to have given his argument it’s due, even if it doesn’t click for you. It doesn’t for me either. My cynicism tells me that, if he weren’t eying a White House run, he would have just signed it. However, as pretty much the presumptive establishment Dem favorite, he’s been listening to the ghouls in the DNC who say things like “Trans rights are a losing issue, we have to divest ourselves of ‘fringe’ politics”. As a smokescreen for that bit of realpolitik, he is couching his stance in terms of “eroding executive authority”.
My understanding (IANAL in Cali or otherwise) is that California law currently grants the office of the Governor exclusive discretionary power in whether to honor extradition requests from other states (provided the governor is not otherwise compelled to respond in a certain manner e.g. a federal court issues the request or something). Newsome’s argument is that it is improper for him, a term-limited outgoing governor, to “willingly” divest the office of an exclusive discretionary power like that. It’s similar, in principle, to the arguments some years ago regarding the Senate confirmation of political appointees during a President’s second term. I.e. it wasn’t “fair” that a lame duck might have a chance to stuff the government with “their guys”, possibly sabotaging the incoming President of a different party. Not exactly the same, but the principle stands, I think.
Of course, when McConnell made those arguments, he was lying through his teeth, as is Newsome, I assume. It’s just a convenient cover story that makes the common clay of the New West (y’know…morons!) think, “wow, that’s a level-headed so and so with a mind for good governance and bipartisan cooperation, that sure is something that this country could use!”
Where the argument falls down is that, as you pointed out, the Legislature passed this. He already had the perfect smokescreen to say, “there’s nothing I could do, I’m no loonie lefty, but the people of California spoke through their elected representatives and I had no right to veto it merely because it slightly reduced the power of the executive office.” He chose not to, because he’s deathly afraid of the pro-maga-ganda machine painting him as a coastal elite out of touch with middle America, as if that’s not going to be their exact tactic against him regardless of his record. I’d stop just short of him saying he’s eroding the Legislature’s authority though. He’s using the veto power of his office as it’s intended. In theory, overriding the passage of legislation popular enough to make it through that whole process will harm him politically, which is happening to an extent. This is a biased space, obviously, but clearly his decision is unpopular here. Whether or not it helps or hurts him in primaries or the general remains to be seen.
I would hope that the legislature could override his veto, but I am not familiar enough with California state politics to know if they have the votes.
But I was told that voting Blue No Matter Who was the way to protect my trans friends, now what do I do? /S
Dearest ShitLibs: as of today, September 23, you have 160 days remaining to find a candidate to nominate who isn’t a genocidal ghoul and won’t throw trans people under the bus. If you can’t manage that, then you don’t get to pretend like the people who’ve been saying this for a decade now are somehow betraying you and the nation by not voting for whatever Wall St friendly monster you’ve allowed your party to nominate.
I can’t wait to get yelled at by democrats when i refuse to vote for this shit head in a few years.
Hopefully he doesn’t make it past the primaries. Unfortunately if he does and he’s up against a MAGA Republican, there’s only one clear choice.
Go help campaign for progressive candidates before the primaries! Come November 2028, it may be too late.
Go help campaign for progressive candidates before the primaries
Please, everyone who thinks the Democratic Party can be saved, to do this. It will convince you faster than anything else I know of that the party isn’t salvageable and that party leadership is just as awful privately as the other guys are publicly.
And your solution is to what? Let the country burn down?
Oh. .ml, yes that probably is your solution.
.world user advocating for a political party responsible for a genocide and accelerating climate change.
What else is new?
My solution is exactly what I said, not sure what part has you confused…
Oh, .world. Yeah, confusion is probably your normal state.
Unfortunately if he does and he’s up against a MAGA Republican, there’s only one clear choice.
I even held my nose and voted for Harris, but “stay home and don’t vote” appears to be the only clear choice here. Newsom vs. MAGA is just MAGA vs. MAGA. When Newsom was imitating Trump on twitter, all I could think was “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.” I don’t think it’s too much to expect the Democrats to have learned something from the 2024 elections; they can ignore progressives, but progressives can ignore them too, and then the whole country suffers.
Just one more neolib bro! We’ll get someone worth a damn, you just gotta support one more shithead I promise!!
Republicans deserve to be yelled at, and if it’s newsom or vance and you choose vance by not voting, you’re a republican and deserve to be yelled at.
Blindly partisan loyalists deserve to be yelled at.
I don’t need to do any mental gymnastics to make that apply to the people I’m applying it to.
Your guaranteed vote no matter how awful the candidate is is the reason the candidate is more awful every cycle.
I’d rather eat a bag of Aids dicks.
Looking forward to President Vance!
This is why I don’t want him to run for president. He is not a progressive.
I mean this isn’t even just not progressive, this is collaboration with fascist states to do fascism.
For someone like Newsom there will never be a right time or manner to implement protections for trans people. And there will always be some clever excuse for which to cling. But when they are called to protect the interests of the powerful, they will break any precident or boundry to achieve those aims.
He wants to be your president, wooooo! Asshole. Tried to force state workers back to the office, too.
I suspect that earlier in his governorship he was willing to go along more with the Democratic legislature because he knew it would not risk his re-election. Now that he has his eyes on the presidency he is going straight down the middle, which these days is basically the Right.
which these days is basically the Right
By European standards, the American center is on par with AfD, Örebro, and Borgernes Parti. Gavin Newsom is a right wing fascist.
Abortion Coalition for Telemedicine, the lead sponsor of the bill, noted 18 governors have “signed identical provisions into law without fanfare”
DNC voters when they let this guy through and lose again:
So he vetoed the “You can’t hunt down doctors across state lines because they gave trans people health care” law, because it… “sets a bad precedent”.
How about the precedent of not hunting down doctors for… being doctors…???
How about the precedent of not being insane fascists???
Hey liberal dems, great job at losing the queer vote.
bUt ItS sTiLL beTTeR tHAn GoP
No, we have third parties. I wouldn’t trust anyone that throws me under the bus, in a dumb attempt to score points with voters that would never vote that candidate in the first place.
Fuck fascism. This is how we succumb to fascism. Liberal politicians try to appease fascists.
Voting third party without some form of Rank Choice is literally pointless. This is basic game theory stuff. It’s why the establishment on both sides are against Rank Choice.
Nothing will change without Rank Choice voting. Even if you succeed in displacing one of the two parties with a third, that third party just becomes one of the two parties and nothing changes.
I’m not saying to not vote third party. I’m saying get your local election to switch to Rank Choice and THEN vote third party.
Voting third party is never pointless, your claim is false.
For example, third parties fought for weed legalization for years. My state was one of the first to legalize, which was through ballot signatures collected by Green, Libertarian, and Socialists; not a Democrat amongst them. Every election, third parties would get more and more votes, so now Ds support legalization. Without third party pressure, people would still be serving hard time, the status quo would not budge.
BoTh PaRtIeS want your vote, to vote for a third party is to take a vote away from them. They make changes to their platform to get those voters.
If voting for third parties is pointless, then voting is pointless. There’s much more to elections than picking the winning side. It’s not about winning, it’s about using the political system to achieve your objective.
Voting Dems to protect people is equally pointless, or didn’t you read the OP?
You can’t get Ranked Choice without breaking the duopoly first. You’re literally advocating for people to hope the ghouls who currently have all the power can be persuaded to give up that power by asking them nicely. Pure delusion.
Voting Dems to protect people is equally pointless, or didn’t you read the OP?
I wouldn’t say “equally”. This is for sure a bad thing… but for every anti-trans thing Newsom does, any given Republican does two. And voting third party is functionally equivalent to not voting.
Your first priority should be being organized enough to ensure safety for your trans friends, anyway. Second is voting in the primaries so that you have a better choice than Fascist vs Diet Fascist.
After that, just be honest with yourself about the impact of your General Election vote. It’s far less important, on average, than having a single conversation with your neighbors.
I mean, they are unlikely to lose the queer vote. Mostly because voting third party is almost entirely useless, especially in the presidential election, but also because it’s fundamentally easier to just change the party from within. Queer people are so much more politically active, too, so this is just shooting himself in the fucking foot. But, queer people are less likely to vote third party, especially trans people, because of that.
Like, feel free to list off any national-level third party you think has an actual shot, and you will be wrong. State-level, maybe but unlikely. Local-level, absolutely possible. But national third parties exist to push narratives, and that’s all.
I get that this will cost him votes, but this third party pushing without even naming any parties is the type of stuff that fake progressives push to destroy collaboration. If you want to push a third party, name it, so you can build a coalition.
My point is, if a politician is willing to compromise on queer rights to get elected, the they’ll probably do so to maintain their seat once in office.
A queer individual stuck that situation gets stuck with the status quo, whether they vote third party or not.
Okay, most people are concerned with the economy. Who cares about how well capitalism is doing? These folks are fighting for the very rights to their bodies. That’s way more of a priority for them than the price of gas.
Again, if we don’t elect people who actually fight for queer rights and platform based on that, then we’re shoving a problem under the carpet because people don’t like orange man and the price of gas is high. Queer rights will be dismissed whether it’s orange man or not.
And overall Newsom is fucking terrible on so many levels and I will never vote for him. He’s a shit governor. If the Dems let him get the presidential nomination, congrats, I’m not voting Dem. The DNC will just be handing another win to Trump.
Newsom is a particularly shit person, correct. I would vote for him over any Republican, because while he’s fucking awful, he is a particular type of awful that fucks over less people in general, and he would be the only real viable choice at that point.
At that point. Before that happens, he would’ve been through a butt-fucking-ton of primaries and caucuses and debates and what-fucking-have-you. He would’ve been the popular candidate by that point and solidified the coalitions around him. Because that’s how you build up a powerbase for change.
I get not wanting to vote him, but you make concessions in a democracy. No one likes that part, but how fucking else do you work together? My hope is that Newsom or anyone else gets shoved into the dirt for abandoning people, be they trans, poor, immigrant, or any other minority. But if he doesn’t? I hold my fucking nose and vote for the lesser evil.
Anyway, the point is you didn’t list a third party, and that makes me think you are a fake progressive. Like, imagine saying “I won’t vote” at the same time you say “Vote third party” and complaing the GOP would win. That’s some escapist logic where you pretend you didn’t help cause more issues because you didn’t do anything. Never mind that you didn’t say to caucus or primary to throw out bad Democrats. I’m really just waiting for the accelerationist foot to drop.
Fake progressive.
Get out of here with your No True Scotsman argument.
Newsom is already unpopular with Dems across the board. If he gets the nomination, that means the DNC pulled a Bernie fiasco again. And they’re not getting my vote under those conditions. AOC needs to be the candidate. That’s the only acceptable choice if progressivism is wanted.
IDGAF about advancing the interests of capitalist politicians so everyone can afford nice toys and luxury vacations. The people getting primaried who are actually for workers rights are still in the minority. We need multiple elections to make them the majority.
Until the party gets pulled left by more primaries in the future, then this is what we’re at. Voting for more of the same shit leads to more of the same shit.
Hold my nose for the compromise of queer rights. No thank you. Compromising on justice leads to no justice. I’ll vote blue when it serves actual progress.
Explain how not voting somehow makes the Democratic party more progressive, and I’ll show you someone whose ultimate goal is violent revolution.
You can pretend that’s not your goal, but there isn’t another way if you refuse to compromise or coalition build. And if that’s your goal, don’t be a fucking coward about it and just admit that from the onset. And then while you’re admitting that, you can also admit you don’t really give a shit about queer people, or you would be following the plurality of them with voting Democratic.
If you set the bar for your leftism at where you are at, anyone left of you can say the same thing and refuse to vote for you and what you believe. Like, you get that, right? You get that anyone can then justify themselves and say what you believe isn’t left enough and refuse to vote what you want, even if it would ultimately save more people.
There are a lot of people like hoppeduponcoffee who are being ostracized by both the Democrats and Republicans. Both parties are effectively communicating, “we don’t need your votes to win”, so it shouldn’t be surprising when those ostracized groups take that message to heart.
These groups have very clearly communicated what it would take to get their support, so why isn’t the Democratic party listening? It’s not like they are asking for much. Protect queer rights. Stop funding genocide. Spend money on improving living conditions. It seems like it would be much easier to change the positions of a couple politicians than it would to convince millions of voters to go against their conscience.
Fundamentally, I agree with that. Fundamentally, I am exactly on board with everything you and they have said. And fundamentally, that is not the hand that has been dealt in that situation.
Third parties cannot win a Presidential election in the US as the system currently stands. So, voting for a third party is either a nonvote or a vote for the defacto winner. Advocating for a third party candidate because your candidate lost the primaries is loser behavior. Because you cannot have your way, you’re going home. And if that decision fucks over the very people you are pretending to protect, then you should feel just as culpable for that as anyone that did vote for that.
Fucking like it or not, trans people would be better under Newsom than any Republican. Fucking Kamala Harris did jackshit to defend trans kids, but she wouldn’t be actively trying to harm them right now as President.
It is disgusting to me to pretend that not voting or voting third party is somehow stopping genocide or protecting queer people. It just isn’t. All it does is make you feel better.
Yeah that’s when harm reduction should kick in with strategic voting but y’all seem hell-bent on accelerationism. You’d actively rather enable the worse option than practice harm reduction. Y’all ain’t allies. Y’all just privileged.
I’m not saying don’t vote. I don’t where you got that out of my message. Absolutely vote. And don’t let a team sports mentality obstruct anyone from voting with their conscience.
I ultimately vote for policies, not for party. The Dems are not entitled to our votes. You want votes? Then enough people like me need to vote in primaries and there needs to be candidates with good platforms. Not the same pro-AIPAC, establishment corporate shills.
Why vote for a team when they have a bunch of individual players who are terrible? Vote 100%. In fact, I’m for compulsory voting. Especially in primaries. But the absolutist vote blue line mentality sucks. If someone is a rapist, promotes transphobia, supports genocide, supports corporate interests over workers rights, the I’m not voting for them if just because they’re on team blue.
I hate herd mentality. There’s nothing wrong with being opposed to something and not backing down on your moral stance. I wish more people did what is right, rather than what is expedient or convenient.
You want a compromise? Although he received AIPAC money, I’ll hold my nose and vote for Cooper in NC. At least he vetoed three attempts to restrict trans rights and made attempts to protect reproductive rights. This was all under the pressure of GOP dominance in the legislature. I’m not asking for perfect. But damn, you at least have to be good enough.
Guys like Newsom or Fetterman? Fuck them both. They’re opportunists. They support nothing noble.
“If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you’re gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders.” ~ George Carlin
How come you won’t list a viable national-level third party?
Like, legitimately, you play this shell game where you say “Vote third party” or “Don’t vote” (and you do say don’t vote, let’s not play coy), won’t list any third parties to vote, and won’t bother compromising if things don’t go your way. It’s mental gymnastics so you can avoid any culpability if things go poorly. Fucking just clap yourself on the back right now, you can be so happy that you didn’t contribute to “blue fascism” or whatever the cultspeak is.
Good on you for hating herd mentality, along with fucking everyone else, you George Carlin-quoting individual you. Your unique snowflake melts the same as everyone else’s.
Seriously, how do you plan to convert most of the Democratic voters to your mythical third party if Newsom (or anyone else not good enough for you) is the nominee? Because you cannot convert enough nonvoters to do that, you have to syphon those voters from the Democratic or Republican parties, and most of those Republicans aren’t voting for your shit on a macro-level. Sorry, the political scientist in me just doesn’t fucking believe in that one. If you aren’t willing to conform to them, then why the absolute fuck would they be willing to conform to you?
Wait do you still think there was some conspiracy about Bernie overwhelmingly losing the primary? The conspiracy was that progressives and leftists didn’t vote in the democratic primary. Democrats did, and they voted for (duh) the democratic candidate. Overwhelmingly. Because progressives and leftists didn’t vote in the primary. Like by a two to one fuckin margin; it wasn’t close at all. Blah blah superdelegate blah wouldn’t have moved the needle an inch when Hilary got twice the votes Bernie did anyway. It wasn’t conspiracy, and it is in fact why the democratic establishment doesn’t cater much to leftists; because they don’t fuckin vote.
So you’ll help Vance get elected to prevent newsome from getting elected, and this benefits you how? This benefits queer people how? You must be really fuckin smart because that’s some trump level 5d chess logic.
And Newsom is showing us he’s for advancing queer rights at this moment?
Where did I say that? I said that if it’s between Newsom and Vance then Vance cannot win, republicans must lose at any cost because they are an existential threat to the fuckin planet. Voting probably won’t matter anyway with the fix but we’re way fuckin past the point of protest voting.
republicans must lose at any cost because they are an existential threat to the fuckin planet
Things only said by people whose memory is short enough that they don’t remember Pelosi derisively dismissing the “Green Dream or Whatever”. Both parties are beholden to Wall St money, and that money makes them incapable of acting on climate change or any other existential threat that generates profits for Wall St.
There are no nationally viable third parties. In the overwhelming majority of districts in the US a third party vote is either pointless or actively helps elect Republicans. Vote responsibly.
Who needs the GOP when the dems are like this?
These people?
Those people are cheering this decision. Or would be if their media bubble allows them to find out about it.
“Governor vetoes bill that would limit the powers of the Governor.”
I’m so shocked.
