I hate these “gangs” of kids on ATVs and motorbikes with no licenses. They completely F up traffic, pulling stunts, lunging at cars, and sometimes even wrecking and stopping traffic entirely. They’re like those biker tools that block intersections so the entire gang gets through or street takeovers.
They are traffic too
“Traffic” takes over multiple lanes while stunting and deliberately antagonizing normal drivers? Sure, bud.
Sounds like traffic to me
The place you are in seems to be pretty harsh, sorry
normal drivers ? by that you mean endless arseholes clogging streets and roads with cars and nitching about others clogging streets and roads with cars.
Yeah they are a real inconvenience for about 30 secs.
You realize the inconvenience and endanger everyone they pass for the duration of their ride right? Not just your little blip…
Usually takes longer than that to wash them off the bullbar
Vigilante traffic cops are fun
Cars already take over the roads, why shouldn’t people try to take them back?
My local bicycle ride that blocks intersections while the riders go through is known and protected by the police – the legal theory is that if the front of a vehicle entered the intersection on a green light, the “vehicle” can continue through the intersection if the light changes. And a group of people riding bikes as one unit is considered one vehicle.
A bike ride with many people in it is considered a single vehicle if they all ride together with no big gaps through the intersection. There are volunteers called “corkers” who will stand in front of the intersection to clearly signal to motor vehicles that it is not safe to enter the intersection yet. They’re trained in deescalation in case someone is really upset that they had to wait an extra minute or two on a Friday night.
Here’s an article if anyone is interested.
https://grist.org/cities/bike-party-a-fresh-new-way-to-take-back-the-streets/
Why are you comparing two completely different things? Are you being deliberately dense to start an argument? You are comparing a known sanctioned cycling event to illegal riders, and illegal riders to licensed and insured drivers who legally have a right to the road.
It’s Blahaj, they’re not known for their intelligence.
They’re like those biker tools that block intersections so the entire gang gets through or street takeovers.
This sentence describes bike party to a t, which is not really officially sanctioned – they just give the police a heads up to be nice.
I am not trying to be dense, i am just trying to explain why bicyclists block intersections to let the whole group go through. It is partially to protest cars.
The ones I see aren’t cyclists participating in group events. It’s dirt bikes, atv’s, and now even some e-bikes, unlicensed, unsanctioned, stunt riding and being general assholes on the road. Stop trying to twist reality into somehow legitimizing their BS.
I dont see why the roads should only be for “licensed” cars. Stunt riding is fine as long as it doesn’t hurt people. Sometimes they join in the bike party. It seems like you’re trying to say the roads should exclude all these vehicles, when I would like more ebikes on the road and less cars. Dirt bikes and atvs can come too.
I am not a big fan of motorized vehicles, I generally bike. But it seems to me that saying “stunt riding is fine as long as it doesn’t hurt people” is more or less the same as saying “drunk driving is fine as long as it doesn’t hurt people”. That is if we are talking about stunt driving on a public road (haven’t read the whole discussion). stunt driving is much riskier than calm driving and when you do it in a public road you transfer that risk to other people, including pedestrians and non motorised bikers, who don’t want to be involved.
I really don’t think stunt riding hurts anyone, especially compared to drunk driving. I wish that police would spend their time on real problems.
It’s about the spirit of it, and their intentions.
I agree with you for bike parties, general malarkey, fun.
These gangs aren’t having a bike party, they’re often criminally active - not in a positive way. They steal from members of the public, they trash people’s homes, property. They grievously assault people.
There’s nothing nobly anarchic about them.
How do you know it’s the same people?
Cyclists and bikers are NOT the same.
A critical mass bicycle ride is tightly organized and usually have a set speed, and anyone involved try not to harass other drivers or pedestrians.
Jackass bikers on motorcycles and ATVs in a rowdy group do fucking annoy everyone.
A critical mass bicycle ride is tightly organized
😂 You and I have been to very different critical mass events. The ones near me are “leaderless” and kind of chaotic. Bike party is hyper organized when compared to critical mass.
Did you watch the video? That’s not what’s happening. They literally ran a guy over, pretty sure that’s the opposite of de-escalation.
I’m responding to the comment not the video.
The comment is about the video.
You must be American. Nowhere else would people have such an ingrained bicycle identity that they’d have to tell everyone, without any fucking provocation.
Watch the video and tell if you think your comment had any relevance.
These aren’t kids. The quad rider was a 27 year old man who “[tested] positive following a drugs test” and who also appears to have previously been convicted of possession of an offensive weapon in public. He was jailed for 15 months for this.
The judge described the gang:
travelling at speeds of 35mph*, weaving in and out of traffic, ignoring red lights, and travelling on the opposite carriageway at one stage. This was highly dangerous and posed a significant risk to the public. Many of those who were riding concealed their identity.
* The speed limit in built-up areas here is generally 30mph or 20mph
It’s crazy that anyone is defending the riders when video shows them:
- riding on the wrong side of the road (in the UK we drive on the left)
- riding on the pavement
- riding without number plates
- so presumably these are not road-legal bikes
- so presumably the riders are not insured
- failing to stop for police
- hitting a pedestrian
Sources
Sure, these guys were pricks but the police looked likely to kill someone over there.
Yeah that’s what I see. Some asshole running into the road trying to hurt bikers and getting hit because he runs in front of one, to then start attacking one of the people he was trying to hurt. ACAB.
Sure acab, but this is not one of those situations. The bike riders here are assholes the lot of them. The quad bike had no reason to ride straight into a dude wearing a high vis.
Sure the bikers are assholes, but that shouldn’t warrant this useless action.
Also, as I said, he didn’t ride straight into a dude, the dude jumped straight into the bike. Pretty obvious.
Couldn’t see him
heh, “carriageway”
ACAB
Nah, fuck the people who ride like this, they could kill someone.
The kids are riding willingly past a cop car.
A safer thing to do is block the road with cars and kettle from behind. Then even if people flee on foot you can impound the bikes or whatever to a vastly better effect in terms of reducing public nuisance.
The officer here wasn’t improving safety, he was making a larger hazard, putting himself in danger, and ended up paying for it.
They want to use their toys and they want to cause harm.
Yes and the cop could’ve killed these kids by popping their tires while they’re riding recklessly. Rather than do actual police work that takes time and effort to remove these bikes from the streets, the cops decided to do the easiest and most dangerous thing for everyone involved. This was absolutely the worst possible way they could go about to stop people who ride like this.
They didnt shoot the kids so there’s still a small margin for “absolute worst”
Depending on the belt used the tires don’t actually just “pop” like in the movies. They get holds such causes them to deflate and become undeliverable. Ever got a punctured tire before? It’s not an instant process by any means.
There are belts can actually make larger holes as the spike comes out, but this doesn’t seem to be the case here.
Themselves.
Rolling around 2 ton cars with your dirtbike is a good way to kill only yourself. Even in this video, the guy on the heaviest one, a quad, plowed straight into the cop and only got tackled off it.
The cop knows this too. He jumped in front of him to tackle him.
I agree that you might get scared by people acting too rowdy, and that you might get your paint job scratched, but your chances of dying are way higher with a moving truck nearby than a few dirt bikes.
Any dumb Cunt stupid enough to stand in the middle of the road…
Those are called pedestrians.
And they’re also on the footpath.
Like someone jumping in front of moving vehicles
Like a child, for example?
I dislike cops but in this scenario they are not the villains.
What that cop was trying to do, would have caused a serious accident and injuries if he had succeeded. Cops are always the villains, harassing teenagers and brutalizing people protesting against genocide, while protecting rich pedophiles.
What about the serious accident and injuries that the idiots could have caused by hitting children or someone’s pet crossing the road?
Your logic is “I was driving recklessly downtown and your putting an obstacle in my way is endangering me”.
No, it wasn’t the policeman endangering the biker group here, it was the people driving recklessly.
They didn’t seem to be driving very recklessly to me. Just in a big group. That cop could have caused a serious accident to many of them, and you would have cheered because “these damn kids”.
They didn’t slow down for the traffic stop or when they saw a police-person on the road. That’s criminally reckless.
Didn’t slow down for the guy trying to kill them?
We don’t execute people for traffic violations!
Delusional much? The traffic stop was clearly visible to the group and the attempt to block the road as well - if you don’t slow down upon seeing an obstacle, that’s 100% on you.
Visible or not, they’re still using a spike strip against a two wheel vehicle. That’s still attempted murder.
No, it isn’t. Even if you fall off due to the flat tyre, and that’s not a given, if you’re wearing a helmet the chances of serious injury are very low.
That’s a frankly absurd statement to make.
Did you miss the part where you are supposed to slow down when you see an obstacle or even an unclear traffic situation up ahead? People who don’t do that do not belong on the road.
How does getting one or a few of them off the road help? If anything, police presence makes them drive even more dangerous.
But hey, that’s logic some people can’t comprehend. You’re supposed to lick the boots, and if you don’t do that you are the problem.
Well that guy on the ATVs life is entirely over.
Crazy how fast you can end any chance at a well-off future.
Well the cop did literally jump in front of him. So if the lawyer is any good at all I imagine he can probably get a little leeway.
The cop was visible on the road for several seconds before the collision, he did not jump in front
If by “leeway”, you mean “additional charges for driving without due care and attention”, because he wasn’t able to stop in a 40kmph zone when something had been in view for 10 seconds, and seemed to be going so fast that he carried on for 50 feet after running down the emergency worker, then you’d be right!
Lets all hope he gets all the leeway he can.
But “he’s a kid man, a kid”
Like holy crap I wish somebody would smack the guy recording upside the head
the cop was attempting to get back from the motorcycles raging through. he was also wearing high-vis PPE.
furthermore, the ATV rider attempted to continue to flee until the officer pulled them off the vehicle.
ACAB but that doesn’t mean lawlessness is better.
He ran onto a street with high traffic, he didn’t have to do that and put himself at risk.
Continuing to flee is also not provable because there’s a FUCKING COP ON YOUR STEERING WHEEL.
…he did have to do that. Did you not see he was throwing the spikes down?
He was in that lane for like 30s. You might get away with that argument with a two wheeler.
You might want to look again. At about second 22 of the video you’ll notice he literally jumps to the right to put himself in front of the ATV.
Yeah, he was in the whole fucking lane. Do you know what responsible motorists do when a human is in the road? It’s not “try and whip around them on the outside forcing them into another lane of traffic”.
Here you seem to need this: https://www.vsp.com/eye-doctor
Nope. The highway code states pedestrians always have right of way and other road users must be prepared to stop for them.
That’s not always reality. I said “might”
I doubt a magistrate would bother to entertain the conversation.
Not gonna comment on the choice of method for the intervention but I have a feeling this gang’s members can probably be seen saying things like “immigrants fock up our country mate” and then go eat in an Indian restaurant.
which gang, the cops? definitely
them too
“yeh daft coont” just has a nice ring to it
Violent/st*pid ACAB’s as always… Incredible to think that they are still seen and defended as 'good guy’s by the ignorant crowd…
Stopped one
Annoying bikers on fucking motorcycles.
Looks like it’s a big problem on either side of the Atlantic.
I mean UK police carry no firearm and are held to much higher standards. And the driver of the atv literally ran someone over and didn’t stop.
What kind of police DO you want to have?
You can argue for revolution and civil war in the UK because of fascist politics from both labor and tories, but then you’re talking about armed soldiers not police.
EDIT: Sorry didn’t see post I was replying to was talking about the bikers not the cops (edit?)
“Labor” sic That’s not the British spelling - are you an outsider looking in, sharing your perspective?
Lol, fucking Americans. Now, as we spell labour correctly, would you like to hear the opinion of a Canadian instead?
Yeah, please.
I forgot Canada had a Labour Party too. I know the Aussies yankified their party’s spelling, which is a shame; from my point of view.
Its called efficiency. Why use unnecessary extra letters when less letter work fine?
They’re talking about the annoying kids on bikes. Unless you’re doing a Lemmy switcheroo and I missed it.
Motorcycles. And you either want to live in a civilized society or not. So on the one hand UK police are pretty great as far as police go, and absolutely have the right to stop motorized traffic for being “annoying” in a residential street. You absolutely do want to police shit like this. These are just bourgeois kids doing stupid dangerous stuff.
On the other hand there is the political stuff and increasing illegitimacy of the UK government. But I see nothing political here.
Seriously, what am I supposed to be upset about here? Traffic stops?
Kids? 27yrs old with prior convictions?
That doesn’t justify trying to get them to crash and hurt themselves.
While I don’t like these bike gangs, what the police was doing is reckless. I would argue the guy on the quad just feared for his life, because the spikes could have caused an accident. So he did the safe thing and went around them, and the cop just happened to be jaywalking there.
“Jaywalking” is a made up American crime.
A pedestrian existing on a street doesn’t justify a driver running them over.
The guy on the quad could have stopped if he feared an accident.
I know, and I hate jaywalking too. I’m just applying to them what they apply to us. It’s only fair. If I was doing that same thing (save the spikes) and got run over, I’d still be (partially) blamed for it.
I thought jaywalking existed in UK. Now I know. Lucky 10000, ig.
Legit means walking like a homeless person, it’s fucking wild.
Oh fuck off. The safest thing to do is to stop and take your punishment.
They probably added a year to their sentence with that stunt, and they deserve it.
This is one of the few times I actually feel sorry for the cops.
The community simultaneously wants the crowds of dipshits on trail bikes stopped but also pretty much agrees that a teenager riding around on a trail bike who isnt setting out to hurt anyone doesnt deserve to be seriously injured to stop them.
Their hands are so thoroughly tied its insane.
Punishment for what? Using the road?
Failure to stop for pedestrian, failure to stop for police, speeding, reckless driving, and probably also driving an unroadworthy vehicle, driving without insurance, driving without a licence and you can’t believe this kid hadn’t been huffing anything that day.
For taking an unlicensed uninsured motor vehicle on the road without numberplates or MOT certificate.
Riding like an absolute scrote.
And I doubt they owned that quad either.
Because Britain is saner, there’s no such thing as “jaywalking” and pedestrians always have right of way, unless they are specifically banned by the type of road.
I know, and I hate jaywalking too. I’m just applying to them what they apply to us. It’s only fair. If I was doing that same thing (save the spikes) and got run over, I’d still be (partially) blamed for it.
I thought jaywalking existed in UK. Now I know. Lucky 10000, ig.
You don’t have right of way if you just run on the street. That’s called attempted suicide.
Even then.
Yeah fuck these guys for sure but dude you didn’t have to fucking prance out in front of them either that was a stupid way to try and stop it.
ACAB, but the cop didn’t do anything wrong in this video if you understand the context.
Aside from trying to kill motorcyclists?
What possible context would make this just fine and dandy?
Kill!? Haha Holy shit the things people say on here sometimes.
Completely devoid of reality.
Like the spike strip was going to gently slow the bike(s) down and maneuver them out of each others’ way?
Completely devoid of reality, indeed.
How do those fascist boots taste, you carbrained idiot?
You legit think the cop thought “Hey, let me kill these kids!”
Did you even go outside as a kid? I can’t tell you how many times I’ve fallen off a bike at those slow speeds. Not even close to a death sentence. If falling at those speeds scares you, you are either 80 years old, or 300 pounds.
Calling me fascist is hilarious 😂
Are you gunna pose an actual argument? Or are you gunna act like an insecure internet child slinging insults?
Carbrained? Wow you can’t stay on topic can you.
You legit think the cop thought “Hey, let me kill these kids!”
Yes, I absolutely do think that. Exhibit A are all the people in this thread that think attempted murder is an acceptable penalty for a child riding recklessly on a bicycle. Seeing as cops tend to have far less empathy than the human average, I would expect them to be less worried about civilian safety than the people in this thread. The folks in this thread are advocating summary execution for traffic violations, so I see no reason a cop wouldn’t do the same.
People fall off motorbikes all the time, and usually get a few bruises, if that. If riding a motorbike was anywhere near as dangerous as you think, it would be considered an extreme sport.
Ususally there are not 30+ other Bikes in very close Proximity when you fall of. The Argument isnt, that a bike with a flat tire will Explode in Flames, it is, that in this Situation the first bike would get significantly slowed down by a flat tire, the second bike would crash into the first and a few other bikes would then run over the fallen down. Perfectly Predictably.
Yes, I think the cop went full Judge Dredd and didn’t consider who he would injure or how bad.
I’ve posted an argument and you’ve called me a three hundred pound 80-year-old (so what if I am?).
Your carbrain is completely obvious. And if you think the officer was justified in possibly killing people (for what perceived offense?), guess what? Fascist, too.
You have pretty poor reading comprehension if you think I called you a 300 pound 80 year old. That would explain a lot of this.
You really enjoy throwing around those lemmy buzzwords don’t you? It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
I’d advise that you try to do some thinking for yourself, not just parrot what some of the circle jerks on here tell you.
Just the most bottom-tier loser drivel.
Get lost, asshole.
I wrecked my motorcycle in a curve at 60 mph and got a broken wrist. These people are not going to die at 25 mph when their tires blow. the cop was not trying to murder anybody stop being sensationalist
Oh no, they are falling over at brisk walking speeds because they fumbled to just put their foot down when the vehicle slowed to a halt. My pearls, where are they?
Spoken like someone who hasn’t a tire blowout on a motorcycle. Or an idiot.
So the officer similarly wasn’t hurt, since it was just walking speeds?
Any trip over the handlebars is potentially lethal. You’re a callous moron.
Massive skill issue if a flat tyre sends you over the bars. That’s an extremely unlikely thing to happen.
Do you think the office was badly, potentially lethally, hurt?
Always be attacking, eh? Don’t answer my question but expect me to answer yours?
Yes, being knocked over like that is potentially lethal.
As would be abruptly stopping those on the bikes.
Here’s a man being knocked over at 0 mph and receiving a concussion at best: https://youtu.be/-HFsRn-oKd4
Which was the point I made. That you haven’t countered.
And, again, what offense did each and every single biker do to merit a cop recklessly endangering their life?
You feel attacked by a single question that is neutral in tone and asks you to clarify the argument you are making?
So would this group driving be considered reckless and dangerous if it knocked over a pedestrian in clear view on a street with a walkway potentially lethally?
I think they are managing to do that without the cops assistance.
American export shit
Lmao, we didn’t send those “youths” over there. Handle your own problems shitheel.
Not my country either but this scramblers and quads is like a street culture and delinquent shit over in the states
Seems it’s fairly common in Ye Olde England as well.
Not sure why you feel the need to bring up the US.
I have never seen it before. Only ever is like rap videos or shows and movies where they are trying to sell a street aesthetic.
It wasnt so much a burning need as an observation
Do you make a habit out of spewing your random opinions about topics you clearly know next to nothing about?
Jesus man get off your cross, it was a one line observation, not an opinion on a topic that rquires some great knowledge.
How long have you been studying scramblers going up roads?
Hell yeah, fuck them kids!
Hell yea kids fight the power
“Hell yea, ride without insurance and under the influence!”
A positive drug test does not prove driving under the influence.
It merely proves drug use in a timespan that can be easily be a week.
