• Saledovil@sh.itjust.works
          29·
          2 个月前

          Super delegates come to mind. They mostly sided with Hillary. Without the Superdelegates, Bernie was never far behind Hillary in terms of delegates. And since the media reported the super delegates who had at this point only pledged to vote for Hillary as if they were obligated to vote for her as if they were normal delegates, this probably demoralized Bernie voters.

          • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
            32·
            2 个月前

            They rigged the primary for Hillary, an action they were later forced to admit to and defend in court.

            They also let Hillary seize campaign funds from down ballot races and screwed over half of their own candidates. It was ironically called the Clinton Victory Fund.

            Fuck ‘centrists’. They’re all fascists too.

            • tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz
              15·
              2 个月前

              It’s crazy they couldn’t see the excitement Bernie was creating. The only one who was excited for Hillary was Hillary.

              • BigBenis@lemmy.world
                7·
                1 个月前

                They certainly could see the excitement Bernie was creating and it scared them because it was a threat to their self-serving agenda.

              • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
                4·
                1 个月前

                I hate that the entire political apparatus in the US hinges on a few assholes’ egos, but it’s what we’re stuck with

              • DudleyMason@lemmy.ml
                7·
                1 个月前

                There’s no alliance to be made with the party that’s decided it serves the enemy.

                Wall Street is the enemy. No party that takes corporate donations at all can claim not to be serving the enemy.

      • OnyxRex@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        1·
        1 个月前

        I wasn’t a fan myself. I resented the hell out of him for entering the race in 2020 and outing Bernie. I don’t like to talk about it much because it makes me seem like a Bernie bro but as far as I’m concerned the democratic establishment did everything they could to keep a socialist out of the whitehouse. The entire primary was political theater to dilute the socialist agenda and Biden only entered the race when it was clear that, even with his base split between him and warren, nothing was going to stop Sanders.

        BUT, as someone who spent time in the trade unions I swallowed my pride and voted for Biden. I didn’t expect much, but I did expect a damn democrat to do what they always say they would do and support the union block.

        2020 was the moment. It was the last time I actually thought we could turn things around. Ever since that primary I’ve just been waiting for us to go the way of the USSR.

      • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        11·
        2 个月前

        IMHO it was clear Trump would win 2024 when Biden was nominated in 2020. America demands change and corporate centrists will just enrage them more.

        • kestrel7_7@lemmy.world
          4·
          1 个月前

          I figured Biden might lose to another Republican, but I underestimated Trump. During the Biden admin, Trump was doing a masterful job of “leading from the opposition.”

        • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          3·
          1 个月前

          At the time, Biden was promising that he wouldn’t run a second time, and let the primaries pick his hopeful successor. Unfortunately he went back on that promise

          • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            5·
            1 个月前

            Even if he hadn’t run again, his refusal to deal with the real economic problems facing working class whites in flyover states handed them to Trump on a silver platter. “Nothing will fundamentally change” is unacceptable to a farmer losing everything, so they voted to burn it all down.

          • DudleyMason@lemmy.ml
            2·
            1 个月前

            Because without fail, every ShitLib who espoused “vote for Biden and then we can push him left” was back at brunch before the inauguration.

    • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
      7·
      1 个月前

      I remember that. I never liked him (but voted for him over the pedophile rapist, Donald Trump), but at that point I really started to think he was an actual piece of shit.

  • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
    34·
    2 个月前

    The inherent problem with the DNC is that rank in the party is designated by seniority, and all the current senior members came into power when Third Way politics became popularized.

    Third way politics is the actual non conspiracy reason you should hate the Clintons. They popularized it in America as a way to get past the gridlock of Congress that started in the early 90s. Basically they would work with “centrist” politicians on the other side of the aisle on any policy that both parties could agree with. This decongested the grid lock and “proved” that Democrats could be trusted to navigate the center path.

    In reality it ceded control over what policy made up the middle ground over to Republicans, who took the opportunity to drag the DNC further and further right. So now we have a “leftist” political party that has been trained for the last 30 years to reflexively make concessions at the whim of the increasingly fascist right.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
      5·
      2 个月前

      they likely worked with gingirch and mitch mconnel to achieve this end. both of them using never work with the other side until you get what you want legislation.

        • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
          2·
          1 个月前

          Schumer, Jefferies are top donor recipients, apparently if you want a audience with these 2, you better toe the line for israel/MIC and if you want your political carrer/connections to survive.

          • Malyca@lemmy.zip
            1·
            1 个月前

            I’d care more if people being outspent 10 to 1 weren’t winning elections. The donors matter, but not as much as they think they do, they only matter a lot to the corrupt.

  • Mulligrubs@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    1 个月前

    “Win back the working class”.

    The Ds and Rs have been working against the working class for about 70 years.

    Yes, I know the Ds provide more lip service… but the numbers don’t lie. Pay is down, life expectancy is down, everything is down but corporate profits.

    Unions were almost 50% of the workforce back in the 50s, now they are down to less than 10%, and most of that is government employees.

    Even Poland now has better worker benefits than the USA, maternity leave, vacation, and other benefits Americans can only dream of. We have been surpassed by Eastern Europe.

    It sure would be nice to have a labor party in the USA. You can’t win back the working class by actively fucking them over for generations.

    • goferking (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.org
      10·
      1 个月前

      The Ds and Rs have been working against the working class for about 70 years.

      FDR was the compromise not the solution. We got improvements under penalty of revolution and that’s only been eroded since.

      Sadly most in the usa have been convinced/conditioned to think what was extremely hard won is fair to throw away in return for the possibility of small wealth increases, with the almost everything else getting worse

    • Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works
      5·
      1 个月前

      Yeah i support some dem politicians but i really wish they just took a different party name. At the end of the day schumer and jefferies are just the other side of the coin of trump.

    • Freeposity@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 个月前

      I think campaign consultants are the root of this problem, at least in the Democratic party. When you have a campaign run like El Sayed’s, where no corporate or PAC money is accepted, then you need to knock on doors, and talk to people. Traditional campaigns pay millions to the consultants who then spend your war chest on legacy media ad buys, which they get a commission on.

      This is one major reason why El Sayed, Mamdani, et al, are such a threat to both parties and also why legacy media has targeted Hasan Piker. They are just as effective, if not more effective, without giving special interests(capital) power over them.

      We’re not in a left/right struggle as much as a top/bottom struggle.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
      4·
      2 个月前

      young people are too distracted by tiktok, instagram, youtube, and now reddit o care. i think were claims of them saying “how it doesnt affect us right now”

    • Tja@programming.dev
      2·
      2 个月前

      No, I’m sure {the DNC, the illuminati, the billionaires, the media, the Chinese} are at fault, it can’t be the voters!

  • melsaskca@lemmy.ca
    26·
    2 个月前

    Fuck the GOP for sure but it’s hard to still believe in a two-party system without seeing both parties as eerily similar.

    • Gaslov@lemmy.world
      13·
      1 个月前

      Both parties are charged with keeping their 330 million people maximally productive. The US isn’t the richest country in the world without reason.

      The country is rich, the people aren’t.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
        8·
        1 个月前

        To be fair, the US isn’t rich so much because of its own productivity, but through being the world’s largest empire, plundering from the global south.

      • Ann Archy@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 个月前

        A two party state is a one party state with another step.

        Seriously though, don’t want to be cynical- there is a massive difference between the two parties. One is a meek bureaucrat, the other a convicted serial rapist, and quite literally.

        • Gaslov@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 个月前

          Certainly the Democrats knew Harris would lose to Trump. She wasn’t even popular amongst Democrats.

          That said, the jury did not find Trump liable for rape, but he was found guilty of sexual abuse. Which would be bad enough, but Democrats like to screw themselves by exaggerating everything and looking hyperbolic for doing so.

          They also say stupid things like Vance humps couches which makes the person saying it look way worse than Vance.

          • Ann Archy@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 个月前

            She was polling very strong. I don’t know if you remember but she was crushing it, there was momentum, then suddenly Trump won every single swing state with a statistically shocking margin.

            You don’t even have to be conspiratorial, it is a well documented fact that Musk bribed people to vote for Trump in an illegal raffle.

            Then immediately after the election Musk was given the keys to the kingdom and the archives and with a literal chainsaw and {stuff happened} and three months later he and his crew went away and were persona non grata again.

            Like…

            I don’t mean to sound like that but I’ve been involved with some seedy business and I know when some shady shit went down, it doesn’t take a genius to figure it out

            Edit: btw Trump was found civilly liable for sexual abuse and had to pay $5 million in damages. https://factually.co/fact-checks/justice/donald-trump-sexual-assault-convictions-78a839

  • tyo_ukko@sopuli.xyz
    20·
    2 个月前

    Either you solve the problems of the working people, or you blame it all on immigrants and minorities.

    Only one of these approaches is consistent with what the oligarchs want.

      • Ann Archy@lemmy.world
        5·
        1 个月前

        Remember the “welfare queen”? Reagan literally invented that, there was no such woman, he just made up a woman living like nobility on government “handouts”, and even though it was all shown to be a sham, the right still uses that phrase.

        “I don’t care that it’s fake. It still pisses me off!”

        Edit: My comment was drunk and hyperbolic, please see below comment for clarification

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          6·
          1 个月前

          Reagan literally invented that, there was no such woman

          There was one woman, specifically, who was identified, arrested, prosecuted, and imprisoned. Reagan’s media team then generalized the singular incident into a massive national conspiracy by an entire ethnic demographic.

    • Ann Archy@lemmy.world
      4·
      1 个月前

      If there was money in helping society, they would. There’s just way more profit in chaos, hatred, and destruction.

  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12·
    1 个月前

    “I dont know what to do, i dont know how to reach out to these good men and women to communicate with and to share our values”

    “have you tried talking to them? Listening to their needs?”

    “What? Why the fuck would I lower my self to the peasantry. They just need to do what they’re told and like it… now how do we make them understand this”

  • electric_nan@lemmy.ml
    10·
    1 个月前

    Look kiddo, the adults in the room know that if you keep voting for the lesser of two evils, they’ll eventually feel guilty and give you some candy. It’s called Democracy: look it up.

  • minorkeys@sh.itjust.works
    9·
    2 个月前

    Exactly. They’re trying to find a propaganda strategy that works. After having ignored men for decades, they now have to spend the money to figure out how to re-convince men to vote for them because they never thought men were worth the effort. Just like their policies demonstrate.

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      1 个月前

      They don’t though, that’s what OP is saying. I bet you’re a man who has made it crystal clear what you want. They’re just ignoring you.

  • Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca
    8·
    2 个月前

    I just wish they’d spend it on something useful like studying whether trickle down economics worked or not. I feel like its been a good couple of weeks since the last time ‘findings’.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
      8·
      2 个月前

      they figure out trickle up economics work. via funding israel, which in turn uses aipac to fund the politicians in the us, using our tax money.