From what im seeing people are looking at steam/linux as an alternative not windows. With the RAM shortage, windows is probably the worst solution out of the available options.
Either way it sucks to get rid of the only way to get used games anymore. Im hoping this kicks back more and we see more partnerships with companies like limited run games and others who do physical releases. https://megacatstudios.com/products/zpf for example.
This is what i am hoping. Windows is still MS and their anti gaming bull.
My question becomes what would limited run games create the games to play on in the future? PS6 will likely not have a physical game option if I had to guess. Nintendo Switch 2 just came out, so that may be the last console to support physical games. I guess we’d be stuck using old machines. Given how powerful current systems are, that may be enough for indie studios.
I guess we’d be stuck using old machines. Given how powerful current systems are, that may be enough for indie studios.
The Evercade is proactively selling cartridge first game systems and games.
The available hardware is more retro focused, in power level, but everything in the line runs on every available device (outside of some license bullshit by Capcom and Namco, which I think they cleared up).
I can’t see these gaining more popularity over Steam, PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo if they are only sticking to do retro. From my understanding, most indie companies want maximum reach for their games, especially for the amount of time and money they put into things.
I can’t see these gaining more popularity over Steam, PlayStation, Xbox and Nintendo if they are only sticking to do retro.
Right. I don’t think they are particularly trying for those markets - although Sony dropping physical media of any kind is probably doing Evercade a favor anyway.
I carry my Hyper Mega Tech Pocket more often than my SteamDeck or Switch Lite, because it is so much smaller.
From my understanding, most indie companies want maximum reach for their games, especially for the amount of time and money they put into things.
Yes. Evercade’s gimick is multiple games per cart, rather than exclusives.
Some of my Indie game collection I got cheaper by buying it on Evercade. Some idie devs I have only discovered because they included a game on Evercade.
A few I have bought again on my SteamDeck, to add it to my family library.
Anything but Linux…
I don’t see why they don’t at least try it, it’s free.
The article is probably paid propaganda by Microsoft.
Just look at the site’s name. Not biased at all!
The last thing I want is AAA game studios supporting Linux due to a max exodus of Windows users, because that means they’ll shoehorn their kernel anticheat into proton. Keep that shit away from my work machines. If the capability is included at all, then it will become a vector for nasty exploits.
I can’t see how they’d do it, proton gets installed by the steam client. That client doesn’t run with root privilege, so at the very least they’d have to trigger a password dialog which would be highly obvious.
The average Windows user will happily click “yes” on the UAC prompt when it pops up, so I don’t think it would be that conspicuous to someone who isn’t technical. I’m also pretty sure PolicyKit could get involved but I’ve never messed with it.
My most recent switch for my desktop was Fedora. Super simple to install steam and most games I have tried so far work. Happy to try other flavors as well because they all have cool features worth exploring. Happy to try anything new. Suggest you all do the same just like Winnie suggests.
Because it’s still a mess. Only technical users are going to stick with it.
just when was the last time you even saw a linux distro? Ubuntu runs like a smart phone now within the last year of updates.
srsly its just icon buttons now. the need for terminal is all but a distant memory now for the average user.
Daily steamdeck and bazzite user. Devops + SE 40 hours a week 🤷♂️. I’m regularly in the terminal fixing stuff.
Then perhaps you’re overthinking it. that is not uncommon for tech types BTW. I’ve seen more inefficient program code from so called ‘geniuses’ than anything and I just can’t help put my head in my hands whenever they go off like you are rn.
Kuz a child or boomer grandparent could easily run ubuntu and probably never ever have to call IT unless something actually physically busted on their puter. Linux is smart enough to tell them what is wrong.
The fact it told me clear errors such as a drive has days before it’s toast was an amazing experience after working blind in windows. Someone computer illiterate could just haul their box and throw it at the geek squad and just tell them to hook up a new drive.
Unlike windows: ‘it broke. Go fish.’.
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Windows 11 sucks. Find a linux distro that you like and is easy to use.
While I agree, that’s a lot to ask of a PC gamer, let alone a console gamer. Maybe if SteamOS starts supporting hardware better, that could be a good distro we could point console gamers towards.
The latest build of SteamOS actually is working on this exact problem, btw. So yeah, we will.
I knew they were working on it, but cool that it might be soon!
Mint is mint
Is there any word on how easy it is to get SteamOS working on non-steam devices. I would just buy the steam machine but apparently valve don’t want my money, they sent me an email to say that they have randomly put me so far down the list that they don’t actually have enough units, with no ETA on when they’re going to get more. So that’s out.
Depends on the hardware, on some hardware configs it should work pretty well, from what I understand, but you’ll miss our on a few steam machine exclusive features.
Every single time anybody talks about Windows 11 someone, usually a lot of someone’s, always comes along and goes, just use Linux. We know Linux exists, it’s not a secret, you don’t have to mention it ad nauseam in every single post.
if you’re going to put windows ad nauseum in my feed its only fair i put linux in your’s.
now you know how it feels.
Literally every single goddamn comment in here is people going on about Linux, can we talk about people being pissed off at Sony, which is what the actual topic is about.
You can see that Linux has already been mentioned 40 times already why have you got to make it 41?
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Linux.
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Do u think the people used to hitting the power button and clicking the game they want to play on a console are gonna be able to set up Linux and work out the inevitable bugs? I think moving from a console -> windows PC is a good intermediate step before going to Linux, and hell to this day I still use a windows PC because of the programs i need for tuning ecus and designing 3d models (yes I know i can use freecad but also my job has a fusion 360 subscription and thats what we use at work, and no there aren’t any ECU tuning programs worth a shit on Linux that wont brick a 1k$ ecu). Yea windows is enshitified, but I’d argue it’s less enshitified then either console at this point and I’d rather see people move away from consoles to windows than keep buying consoles because they can’t figure out how to get their GPU to work with the distro they chose. I personally have gone through and debloated windows to the point it works great. I understand that same effort could have been spent setting up a good distro, but no distro would run HP tuners or tripnic suite or ecuflash and I WONT risk running in a virtual box or any of that crap for my applications, too much at risk! And don’t worry I didn’t give microslop a dime 🏴☠️
If they ever fix the kernel level anti-cheat issue this would be a good suggestion. Until then, Linux can’t play most of the most popular and most played games on consoles.
What “they” do you mean? Kernel level anti cheat is stupid
Anyone making any Linux distro.
Afaik that’s a decision from the game developers, not from Linux developers, to enable kernel-level anti-cheat.
It doesn’t make any difference whose fault it is. If anti cheat doesn’t work on Linux which means that it’s a non-viable option for a lot of people. They’re not going to suddenly go “oh well in that case I don’t mind” just because you point out that it’s the game developers responsibility.
dont do it. dont do the windows. do the linux. be nicer to yourself. youll thank yourself later.
Just use Winhance. It not only removes all AI bullshit, it also makes your computer faster. Linux boxes are great if you wanna live exclusively in Steam. Some of us pirate games that aren’t on Steam.
so what you are saying is you didnt do any very basic newb research to discover yet that you can add non steam games to steam too.
and you havent heard of herioc …in which you can also add random games to
or lutris.
the advice you have for me isnt sound. or researched.
Faugus too, or even bottles. Many options available
And for those people pirating non-steam games heroic launcher works just fine. Or lutris.
Just use Winhance
“Just drink arsenic with berries. The berries make it taste better. Don’t worry about the rest”
You can add any pirate game on Linux with Lutris.
I get that you’re trying to be helpful but all of winhance can be patched in the next release and who wants to worry about cat and mouse just to use slop instead of an actually consumer friendly os like Linux
Im a dev and have multiple homelabs using Linux. I’m not shy or not willing to use Linux. But the truth of the matter is if we don’t have support for newer hardware or some niche hardware. I could compile drivers myself, but that is a high entry barrier for 99.9% of people.
You want your system to just work and Windows does that(majority of the time). Hardware companies large and small support Windows. So you will likely have a fix faster or a driver on zero day instead of waiting for someone to help you build it.
You can’t have any pro windows stance here at all on lemmy bud. The fediverse is likely 99.7% Linux enthusiasts.
Edit: just saw the last statement. You can get games from GOG as well on Linux or Windows
Unfortunately true. I’m agnostic to the OS. I’m 100% the use case and the feasibility and longevity.
Use whatever OS fits your needs. Not what Lemmy thinks you need. Because at the end of the day you’re the one stuck trying to vibe code a driver or a function that you need/want.
Case in point. I spent 1 full week trying to get the Ethernet to stop asking for a static IP even tho it’s been set to DHCP. It turned out the motherboard is too new and there is limited driver support. After compiling my own drivers, the entire system would panic without any logs. Even full verbose and custom watchers. Nothing.
Meetings with clients would frequently panic or my entire codebase would vanish after a crash.
I reinstalled windows and just worked. No fiddling. No compiling. No researching. Just worked.
All my other homelabs are on Linux. Just the main workhorse is Windows.
Yeah the Linux community are a bunch of unrealistic tech obsessed weirdos who don’t live in the real world where you actually have to have a computer that 100% works 100% of the time. The vast majority of the human population do not enjoy, or have the capacity to, fiddle around trying to get basic functionality working.
And if you mention the fact that because of the lack of kernel support you can’t get things like battlefield 5 working they say, who cares about battlefield it’s shit anyway, like that’s some sort of arguement, and it’s your fault for wanting to be able to play a popular video game.
I’m all in favour of the operating system but the community had just toxic.
No one from linux here is spanking you for not using linux. you are being spanked for not knowing how an app like steam works. i would kick your ass just the same for posting on a windows forum for not knowing that you can add non steam games to steam. hell I’ve installed non games on steam. just exe. you dont need a specific OS to do that.
And not denying you to play specifically battlefield but theres probably double the pvp games over what isnt playable on linux that is playable on linux. Or just dual boot for the (only 3 gamesyouabsolutelyneedwindowsfor)… you dont want that? fine. you do you.
i personally wouldnt throw an os out over one game when i have 5 others that are easily playable on there to just try it out. so i dont know why you have such shade just over someone who does use linux.
We really are quite literally spoiled on choice in this day and age with games given there’s console wars aside from all this pc bickering we’re here doing.
but to each their own. go back to your pretending to be starving for choices. poor you. there there i guess.
Some severe cope you have here. I only tend to play 1 or 2 games at most in any time frame. -Maybe 3-6 a year. When one of those doesn’t play on Linux, that’s a huge impact on my view of Linux. -But that’s minor compared to the games that couldn’t be completed halfway through due to frame timing issues. Also, pacing games that experienced input lag. It’s worse to be stuck with a game broken midway on a shitty limited OS than to just have it not play to begin with.
Maybe if you played games enough to experience problems instead of constantly having to fix your Linux; you’d see these things.
i didnt say i didnt play enough games to know. that is your assumption.
i just finished testing 20 in the last few months. they worked fine on linux.
and i built a simulation rig.
unlike others here : I know Steam is an app. not an OS
So i know what i’m doing.
The fact that you couldn’t be moderately civil there proves my point that the entire community is toxic is all hell.
excuse you!? you joined a thread where a user got caught out not knowing what they are doing with steam and gave poor advice and blamed linux. they could have asked nicely. but instead you all barrelled in here with your ‘linux sucks’ to start.
dont act like you didnt play a toxic part in this play.
Steam is an app. It is not an OS.
Sure, I’m wrong about piracy on Linux. I didn’t know it was so established. That doesn’t mean I’m some kind of noob online.
Im the lead developer at my work. Im quite capable and comfortable in Linux.
Unfortunately, Linux doesn’t get very good hardware support. So you either have to compile the drivers yourself or hope someone else has done that work. Nobody got time for that.
it does but then it does catch up. its alwys getting updated. dont spread misinformation.
Given the advice you gave up there shows youre unwilling to understand how steam works (regardless of OS) I’m very willing to bet there was user error involved in any other issues you have and refer to as it ‘OS’ errors.
i wouldnt even trust you with windows.
Some of us use computers to run a business instead of play games.
i do too. i built a simulation machine for my work. it just happens to play games just fine.
i am not moved to believe you know what you are doing to be this egotistical about not doing a basic search on how steam works.
it is an app. It is not an OS
steam is an app. not OS. and you all still dont even know how that works regardless of where youre installing it.
pirating fail.
I mean it’s a no brainer. if you are forced digital anyway, PC has both steam and gamepass (for pc or ultimate if you also have an xbox). Why lock yourself into an ecosystem that provides no value, when you can go into an ecosystem that not only provides you with most of the Xbox catalog if you want to pay a sub, but also all of the other PC storefronts.
The only reason people ever went console was for the low price, exclusives, the convienence and the physical market. The exclusives have sucked, the price is no longer low, and the physical market has been nuked by an atom bomb.
The question Sony should really be asking here is “why do people buy into our market” because they are actively destroying it.
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Hey! If you’re used to not being able to play some games, use Linux. It is much more efficient which you can use to avoid upgrades, more powerful cards, etc.
Nothing wrong with steam os. Linux is the future. Fuck consoles, fuck Microslop.
It is now the moment for Valve to announce that they have come up with a way to let you sell/exchange games between users on Steam. They do this and they eat the whole market.
They will never do this, but we can dream.
If valve released a “exchange program” that allows you to trade digital licenses, even for a fee, it would be revolutionary.
…don’t…don’t they already have this feature? Steam Family allows you to share libraries of games with your “family members”.
And unlike Nintendo with their Virtual Game Card two-week limit, you can share Steam games forever AFAIK.
Yeah, but I meant something like actually trading. Not just sharing in the family group. Imagine I have a game I’ve completed, I don’t want it anymore and you want to play it. We’re not in the same family group, so I offer you to trade it for a game of your library, or maybe we make a deal and you pay me some money for it so you are in a way, purchasing it second-hand from me.
Fuck that. I want to resell my game on any platform.
The fediverse is very linux oriented I see again and again.
Sadly most Linux users are so deep into it that they don’t understand the pain of transition from something known to something that you have to invest significant time into to get running as you want it to.
And whenever people say this, several people post Linux versions that are supposedly super easy to set up and very similar to windows… Which shows that they are no longer able to see the relevant differences.
I find it annoying. Essentially as someone who has tried to switch to linux on my own terms(!) and that’s not possible without investing more time than a family dad with job is prepared to invest.
I mean just look at the posts in here. It like reading posts from religious people who would love to go from door to door to “spread the word.”
Linux users are the sort of people who will tell you that vinyl just produces superior sound quality. It’s a sort of cult really.
Linux systems are fine but they are hardly the pain free, “it just works” solution that the community likes to constantly claim that it is.
Linux user here, vynil sucks! Only those who swallow nostalgia like it :D
The thing is you are the mercy of “place big company name here” endless greed and whims , so it is no longer a “come to the cult” thing, they are pushing users away in a swallow or else fashion. The idea of Microsoft , Playstation, etc is squeeze you , get subscription from you and spoonfed all their crap to you wether you like it or not. All of it while trafficking with your personal data.
I was a windows 11 gamer, I know Linux some times may not be a walk in the park, specially if you have certain gpus, but all in all to me it is the most sane option to choose nowadays.
Honestly sad that this is at the bottom of this thread with all the linux glazers listed above. And every comment is massively up/downvoted depending on whether it is in support of Linux or not, regardless of the quality of the arguments.
To be fair, I’m a Linux user myself but I really cannot stand these obnoxious people who think that Linux is a full-on Windows replacement for everyone and anyone who doesn’t immediately install Linux is an ignorant fool. I like tinkering with my system, but I wouldn’t berate anyone who doesn’t. I care about my privacy, it’s not my business whether you care enough to switch your habits and devote your free time towards Linux.
I got really lucky with mint, like, everything works! Games, apps, my work flows normal. But my only one problem is quite annoying: I need a windows only extension for my printer.
No way the classic issue strikes again. Striking fear into the hearts of men…
The CUPS system is very decent, practically every printer I’ve owned is supported on it, but to see that there might be one that isn’t… 💀
I’d like to preface by saying I have no intent of invalidating you. However… It is a bit of a journey. If you are nerdy and like seeing how things come together, you will likely enjoy said journey, if you’re someone who just wants things to work out of the box, the road might be a little bumpy…
I may have grown used to tinkering, but I’ll admit I enjoy it, I am such a nerd. You shouldn’t have to tinker, nor use the terminal nor know all the little details in your distribution, and as a long time linux user, who has found the value of the terminal (so much so I use the drop down version of it) it annoys me that most tutorials even mention it.
Lately, there’s an incredible emphasis on FPS in games, rather than daily drivability or ease of use for newbies, and in my opinion it adds to the choice paralysis. And I’ll say up front, Ubuntu, the once popular distro, shouldn’t be suggested for newbies, because of some of their choices too. (Notably Snapd)
Ideally, the journey should start with something that works with your hardware, offers a decent software selection, But also leaves room for exploration should one want to. I’m a sucker for post installation first boot “wizards” that ask what software you’d like, and there aren’t enough distros that do this.
I’ll be honest, distro hopping is inevitable. You will eventually want to try something different, and there’s nothing wrong with that. But it shouldn’t be at the very beginning. But the solace is that, there is more than a single way to tackle any issue in Linux, and very often the simplest isn’t the most obvious, nor the one mentioned in tutorials…
My journey way;
Ubuntu 9.04 > Xubuntu > Linux Mint Xfce > Linux Mint Cinnamon > KDE Neon > Manjaro KDE > Garuda Linux
And frankly, I still suggest Linux Mint. I dont think I personally know another that’s a good entryway. It does provide what I assume, to be what most people need, and still offers plenty of ROM to grow.
Ideally Cinnamon, but if you want a lighter desktop, Xfce is decent and complete, and still more customizable than Gnome (without installing extensions)
Linux is definitely a rabithole, not gonna deny that, you’ll find all sorts of people, but ideally, the journey is your own, there is no score for using “hard mode distros”, just enjoy the ride at your pace, and don’t be afraid of asking for help when you need it.
Well, you are sort of validating my point pretty much with the content of your answer.
The issue is not willingness to tinker or such. It is time. People just don’t realize how much time this kind of tinkering eats. Which is not fun but extremely frustrating when all you want to do is to use your wee bit of free time for something relaxing and fun.
So no, I am not prepared to sacrifice my rare moments of mental recuperation on trying to figure out why something that should just work doesn’t work. Or doesn’t work in the needed way.
Until Linux isn’t utterly install and it works right away intuitively it will NEVER reach the masses.
I mean this comment is good and kindly written but it is exactly what poster is talking about
And what does it help to turn to microslop? They will just bury you in subscriptions and data steal?
It’s a Windows news site
I’m amazed there’s an audience for a windows site. Linux? Yeah, give me more. Mac, I guess. But windows? I haven’t heard any news that aren’t bad since forever.
Lemmy is overwhelmingly anti Windows
I’m doing my part!
I just want things to work.
Yes. Exactly! That’s why we’re so die hard into Linux, here.
That doesn’t explain arch users
Then install bazzite.
Sure. I’ll install two of them.
That’s fine for gaming but it’s not an operating system for general purpose computing.
Even the stocks are plumming
Which will lead then straight to Linux because Linux is free, fast, and awesome and doesn’t spy in you or serve you ads while windows 11…
Fuck big tech
The disc at this stage is somewhat symbolic, its the line that sand against the anti consumer practices being pushed by the platforms.
We have trusted them and during that they have:
- They have sleptwalked users into accepting digital over physical.
- They have infiltrated many areas of game production and monopolized
- They have normalised subscriptions for many areas of gameplay…
And now they are getting pretty bold of what they want.
- You will have to verify your identity
- The products you ‘bought’ can be taken away from you at the platforms discretion
- You will have to be online to play the products you purchased…and you will need to pay for that service.
- They can charge what they want for the games and there is no competition to weaken prices
- You will pay more for your device with less features
They are testing the tolerance with this. This is not about the physical disc. Its about saying enough!
Save about $100 and your sanity by using Linux over Windows
It only saves your sanity if you have a full AMD build. Otherwise, you better be an IT pro or have the time and inclination to do a lot of learning. Nvidia drivers are notoriously problematic with Linux
Not anymore. I’d say there has been massive improvements in the last 3-5 years for Nvidia. This was one of the main reasons I didn’t swap over sooner.
Guess stop this nonsense. There are plenty of Nvidia issues.
What nonsense? I’ve used nvidia since the early 2000s. There are no more issues than AMD right now.
It’s 2026. I still am yelled at by nerds about issues in Linux that apparently didn’t exist 🤣
You people are the reason Linux will never be mainstream. The inability to admit any sort of bug or luck or driver support from a nerd is astounding.
I know I know, get a different distro and I’m holding it wrong.
Who’s yelling at you?
i have both a gaming laptop with nvidia gpu and a steam deck, and the steam deck manages to outperform the laptop with linux even though the laptop is orders of magnitude more powerful (on windows it easily beats the steam deck).
so yes, amd is a lot more optimized for linux than nvidia and i know many people who wouldn’t surrender half of their fps for some privacy/freedom.
I have an nvidia pc with Linux on it and a steam deck. My PC out performs the steam deck by a large margin. I use stock drivers, no fancy tweaks.
probably the difference betweem a laptop and desktop gpu
funny how this is downvoted so much even though it’s the sad truth
Nvidia hasn’t been an issue for like 10 years.
It’s super easy to install either the open or proprietary nvidia drivers on most distros nowadays.
And KDE with Wayland works great on nvidia GPUs.
Stopn taking. There are regular NVidia issues. I don’t even get reliable HDMI handshakes and HDMI passthrough doesn’t work.
You got an abnormal issue, and I would help you troubleshoot if you’d like.
This was kind but not the point. I spend 40 hours a week contributing and fixing shit (Devops+SE work) I can deal with an HDMI handshake failing because fuck Windows and I’ve done lfs ages ago. It’s not abnormal, this is copium.
Most users, especially non technical are not going to deal with this bullshit.
I’ve been using Linux with various GPUs (AMD, nvidia, and integrated) and various distros since 2008 and I’ve never had this issue.
I worked in a place that built and maintained computers with Linux installed and again never seen the issue you describe.
The hardest time I ever had whit a GPU was back when I was using Ubuntu on an AMD card back in 2008. And the hardest thing then was figuring out what repo to use as newb.
Builds with an integrated GPU in the CPU with a different dedicated GPU used to be difficult until bumblebee came about and now they couldn’t be easier.
It is true that people might have to read error messages every now and then, but in the open source community, error message make sense and you can research them entirely yourself.
I don’t doubt that you are having an issues, it may be something as simple as your hardware is too new for the distro release you have installed and you should update. However, to say that everyone will have some weird issue is wrong.
I’ve convinced about 5 friends and neighbors (one over 70) to switch to Linux in the past 2 years. All I did was provide install media and help them boot to it. They figured the rest out and didn’t have issues either.
as popular as diy and linux are on lemmy, pre-builts are still bought by more gamers; and those almost always include windows.
Some prebuilts allow you to skip the OS or the drive altogether and save money
See the Steam Machine could’ve been the perfect pre-built machine for casual gamers looking to dip their toes into PC gaming.
Linux PC
Not yet a good option for gaming.
I’d say on AMD systems it’s pretty viable, but NVIDIA is still not there. On my gaming laptop I lose 30-50% of FPS in GPU-heavy scenes compared to Windows.
Though I’d recommend to use tiny11 or atlasos when staying on windows to remove some of the slop
I’m not talking about performance, I’m talking about compatibility. Still too many games simply need Windows. Until this is no longer an issue, linux is not a viable alternative to recommend to gamers, or at least not without mentioning that a good chunk of AAA games will not be playable.
But just like any community, Lemmy users are strongly opinionated, so I was expecting the irrational downvotes :)
It depends on whether you play single player stuff or e-sports titles. The first category is fine, the latter is a crapshoot. Personally, I don’t play heavy multiplayer stuff and at this point don’t even check to see if a game will run before buying it (they all do), but I’d probably have bought a console by now if I liked playing the latter.
That said, everyone should use what works best for them.
The first category is still definitely under-covered by linux compatibility. If I look at the game I am currently playing, recently released, Solarpunk, I can’t run it on Linux. I didn’t have to look very far.
So, no, it is not only e-sports titles. It’s going in the right direction, but it’s still not enough for Linux to be a good recommendation for gaming over Windows.
If people want to switch to Linux for gaming, that’s fantastic. But the incessant “Don’t go for Windows, go for Linux” push without mentioning that you won’t be able to play all the same titles does piss me off.
Are you talking about this Solarpunk? Because it has a platinum rating (which means it works flawlessly).
I wasn’t aware that there was such an advanced compatibility layer! This is good news!
Then Solarpunk is a bad example :) And the compatibility coverage is higher than I thought. But, since it isn’t close to complete, especially as you said when it comes to esports titles, which are extremely popular, it’s still the honest route to mention that when recommending Linux gaming.
It might be enough to make me finally do the switch on my gaming PC, though.
