• Foni@piefed.zip
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    Temperatures are breaking all-time records and our infrastructure isn’t ready for that? What a shocking surprise!

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    In some parts of Europe, we have many ways of mitigating heat that don’t cost as much and work well enough to a point.

    Shutters will reflect heat before it gets into the home, which can keep the temperature as low as 10 degrees cooler than outside, cieling standing and desk fans can help cool you down in 20-30 degree weather. Dehumidifiers can help in humid heat.

    Beyond a certain point, you do have to use air conditioning to lower the temperature, but that’s when you get to 35deg and above, and that typically been pretty rare until now, and most of the above still help.

    I think if I did have the money I would probably install a heat pump + air conditioner combo and I believe there should be grants available for those.

    If you’re a renter it sucks though because you have very few options. “Portable” air conditioning is ok but not very effective and very expensive to run.

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    I moved into a traditional farmhouse in winter and thought it was rather strange that whoever built the house had built it right over a stream that flows all winter till way into April through the ‘loja’ (a kind of half cellar built into the slope). Now I know it’s a natural AC, the room remains cool even though the sun is hitting the front wall all morning. So luckily I won’t have to make that kind of investment any time soon.

    (In winter the stream probably kept the animals clean-ish by permanently floating some of the piss and shit layer out of the stable, while plant matter kept being added on top. The fermenting mass would keep stable and top floor warm.)

    I had seen a few of these houses and had my doubts that people would just be so stupid as to accidentally build on a water line. Thanks for coming to my info dump.

    Tldr: evaporation cooling good.

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      I’m having trouble to understand how it really looks but in my head, I’m picturing such a weird and awesome place, a bit like the one I Lakentown from the hobbit.

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    This is assuming that installing an AC is an alternative.

    I can’t install one in my apartment, there’s just no way to set up the outdoor unit for the bedroom. Our windows don’t accommodate window units, being casement windows. That leaves portable units, which are not particularly effective, and on top of that forces a serious amount of sunlight into the bedroom, hence ruining the whole thing. Dawn is at 02:04 here, fwiw.

    My only hope really is that my apartment building would install some kind of central cooling solution, which is an incredibly expensive endeavour.

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      Get one of the portable ones and get one of those kits that seal around the hose to the window and then get some curtains.

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        There is not a single one in stock in the entire UK, plus dual hose versions are basically non existent here too.

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          Trying to buy an air conditioner mid heatwave probably won’t work too well but if youplan ahead then maybe next year you’ll have one ready instead of needing one and not having it

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        I already have a portable unit and a sealing kit, plus blackout curtains. The curtains can’t be deployed with the window opened enough to get the hose out. Running without any blackout curtains is an immediate non-starter since dawn is at 02:00 here, and my bedroom window is to the east.

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      My only hope really is that my apartment building would install some kind of central cooling solution, which is an incredibly expensive endeavour.

      This comment got me wondering how apartments can retrofit their central heat into some kind of climate control that goes both ways.

      For apartments with ducts and forced air, it seems like the central furnace/boiler can probably be replaced with some kind of heat pump setup for more efficient heating in the winters, and reversed to provide cooling in the summers, through the same air ducts. The total cost/complexity would probably depend heavily on the space for the furnace and its service/maintenance, I imagine.

      With steam/hot water radiators, though, I imagine it’s even harder. Can these systems safely be modified to pump cold water?

      Or, if they need to add ducts where none currently exist, that seems like it would be unbelievably complex and expensive, if people are going to be living there the whole time. Seems like a real challenge.

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        With steam/hot water radiators, though, I imagine it’s even harder. Can these systems safely be modified to pump cold water?

        I think this would result in humidity issues.

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      Look up split unit portable heat pumps such as the Midea PortaSplit or similar. They fix a lot of the issues with regular portable units and can also heat. They are however quite a bit more expensive.

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        I’m not sure it would be safely possible to mount the outdoor unit where I live, but it certainly does look like an interesting product.

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      You can mod the portable ones to be basically as efficient as the proper units by installing a second hose over the hot side intake and adding that to your window seal kit so there are two hoses. The only inefficiency left then is the exhaust hose acting as a bit of a radiator but especially if you place it by the window and keep the hose short, that’s not really that big of a deal.

      They are bloody noisy though. There are some properly split window units finally coming onto the European market that will be better for that but still very expensive

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      I’d be curious why it’s impossible to set up a mini-split in your bedroom. That seems… Illogical. They are surface mounted pretty much anywhere externally, require a small hole to be drilled for the fluid exchange, and the mini split can fit inside any room on the wall or ceiling. Power shouldn’t be a problem either as that’s easy to wire through the same hole as the fluid exchange if need be.

      Idk, I’m not an installer but the tech seems like you could make it work on a barn in the country or in the non-sensical backrooms - it’s not very demanding.

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        I’m not going to be able to get an installer to mount a unit up on the floor where I live. It’s higher up than the 10th floor.

        I’m also not going to be able to get the permit from the association to drill up a unit.

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    I read that if the AMOC fails, Western Europe will be like central Siberia. That is to say -30 in the winter, and 40 in the summer.