The Israeli government needs to release their hostages.
This is something that I see a lot and it’s irks me the wrong way every time. I know that people on the internet get emotional, but we gotta stop abusing words. The word hostage describes something very specific, in this case it’s this:
a person held by one party in a conflict as a pledge pending the fulfillment of an agreement (source)
Basically a hostage is a prisoner that is specifically held captive to be used as a bargaining chip.
This is precisely the reason why the hostages taken by Hamas are called as such. They were taken with intention of using them to cut a deal with Israel later on. But in this case, Israel is very unlikely to use the people on this boat to negotiate any deal, we don’t even know if they’re even going to be detained or released once the ship gets routed to one Israel’s ports. But if Israel does detain after the fact then that’s just imprisonment.
The only ones ever trying to devalue the meaning of words are fascists.
Many Palestinians in Israeli prisons were put in there for resisting settlers when they started taking land.
Those are hostages, not prisoners.
But when Hamas takes hostages they are indisputably hostages.
So what term then? Political Prisoner? Arbitrarily Detained Prisoner? Torture Subject?
Detained suspect, Detained for National Security or equivalent is probably what goes on the paperwork. If they’re held longer than reasonable repatriation takes, they would then become prisoners of some type.
Informally, prisoner is probably used the most, in spite of whatever is actually correct.
Genuine question, how did you come up with any of these? Do you just throw any random label without taking into account what they mean?
To be imprisoned means to be kept in confinement as a punishment. They’re not prisoners by the definition of the word nor are they being tortured (like where did you even get this from?). If we were to label their current status accurately then they’re arrestees in custody of Israel.
I’ve seen this one… it’s called The Phantom Menace
“My Lord, is that… legal?”
“I’ll make it legal!”
Do y’all reckon the Israeli Navy is actually going to kill Greta?
My guess is that somebody will choke first in this game of chicken. Hopefully it’s the Israeli military.
No, this is what will realistically happen:
- They’ll intercept the boat
- They’ll haul it to a nearby Israeli port (like the port of Ashdod)
- They’ll detain and question the people on board for a bit to confirm their identities
- They’ll call their respective embassies in Israel
- They’ll have them either released to the embassies or directly deported to their countries
And that would be the end of it.
And 6. The aid that was meant for the starving children of Gaza will be stolen, destroyed, or left to rot in some warehouse.
The aid is just symbolic. Gaza has 2 million people, a single small sailboat worth of partial cargo isn’t enough to even be considered a drop in the bucket. The only real way humanitarian aid can make a difference is if Israel and Egypt allow hundreds of tucks in daily.
And its destruction will also be symbolic.
I’m not sure what you’re basing your predictions on. Have you studied what they’ve done to similar vessels in the past? I know of only two, the raid in 2010, where they killed 9 people, and the the one earlier this year, where they shot at the ship with two drones. That’s fairly limited, but quite a far cry from your predictions.
This is actually based on what they did in during the 2010 incident. At the same there 6 boats, not one like this time. 3 of the boats at the time were for cargo and 3 were for passengers. 5 of the boats that were intercepted went through what I described above, but the last one was the one you’re talking about. It was one of the passenger boats, it has 590 passengers on board. Of these passengers, 40 or so of them refused to cooperate with the Israeli soldiers on board and some started attacking them. This resulted in the Israeli soldiers killing 9, a 10th one died 4 years later due to related injuries, and injured a dozens more. At the same time the activists injured 10 Israeli soldiers, including one that was in serious condition. Even then, the rest of the passengers were still released after the incident.
So I don’t really see how you go from seeing Israel kill 10 passengers to your 6 point prediction. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but considering we’re dealing with the modern day equivalent of nazis who seem to enjoy support from most western governments, I find more grim scenarios equally likely.
I mean we have to go based on the evidence that we have, right? We can’t make up scenarios and pretend they’re reality when they’re not. In this case, Israel radioed the boat to change course to the port of Ashdod and informed the activists that maritime traffic is closed. After that the boat has been intercepted. That’s all we know thus far. Beyond this point, it’s just speculation. I’m saying that based on the history of these incidents, the intercepted boats do actually get routed to the port Ashdod, and then from there the activists are taken into custody until Israeli authorities contact their respective embassies who will help organize their release.
Exactly! So it doesn’t make sense to have this whole detailed prediction which resembles nothing that’s ever happened before. That’s all I’m saying.
Okay, so actually we now know how the situation has and will unfold so there’s no need to speculate.
As it turns out, the boat was actually routed to the port of Ashdod. All 12 activists are fine and they’re currently being detained in a facility nearby after undergoing medical checks. They’re going to stay there until they get deported to their respective countries.
Israel claims that the aid that was on bored will get sent to Gaza through established channels, but whether that will happen is questionable. Also Israel also said that they’re apparently going to make the activists watch videos of the Oct 7th terrorist attacks before deporting them.
Well, I guess it has utility because we’re talking about it. It’s expensive but I don’t really think there’s much else that can be done other than state level actors putting a stop to it. Or like a reverse crusade where freeing Palestine from Israel is the goal, need a leader for that.
Well, I guess it has utility because we’re talking about it.
I guess, but at the same time this has been the most talked about international conflict of this decade so they’re bringing attention to a thing that is already receiving a lot of attention.
I don’t really think there’s much else that can be done other than state level actors putting a stop to it. Or like a reverse crusade where freeing Palestine from Israel is the goal, need a leader for that.
Force is not going to end this catastrophe. First of all nobody wants to get directly involved, especially on the side of the Palestinians, but even if they did, Israel is quite strong. Arab coalitions in the past tried to do just this and they weren’t successful.
The only way for this conflict to actually end is for Israel to end it, and the only way this can happen is if Netanyahu and his coalition get ousted from government. He should’ve been in prison decades ago, but it’s very likely he will be once this war ends which is likely why he doesn’t want to end it. Regardless, if this government doesn’t collapse soon, then we will have to wait until the next general Israeli elections on Oct 27th, 2026. Either Netanyahu’s coalition ends the war themselves to try to win back the public before the elections or the opposing coalition is going to end it right after they win.
That’s fucking awful, but I think you’re accurate.
At this point, I think Israel is capable of anything, including the most abhorrent human rights violations imaginable.
For the rest of my life, I will view Israel through the same lens as I view Nazi Germany. They are two sides of the same coin.
If they do, .world is where the party is gonna be.
Huh? How do you figure that?
Most of the lemmy users who spent the last year of the biden presidency shouting abuse at people who opposed genocide are on .world
.world is pretty unanimous on opposing genocide. How do you define “shouting abuse at people who opposed genocide.”
Here, watch. The biden administration had no business selling weapons to netanyahu when it became clear that they were being used to commit genocide.
Well yeah. Pretty much everybody agrees that Biden didn’t help, allowed the weapon supply to continue. Trump is worse. Kamala would have been better but not good. I don’t think any of this is particulary controversial. The election wasn’t really about the Democrats being better, they just suck less.
Pretty much everybody agrees that Biden didn’t help, allowed the weapon supply to continue.
Not on .world.
Trump is worse.
Yeah, no shit.
Kamala would have been better but not good.
She literally said she didn’t differ from biden on the issue.
I don’t think any of this is particulary controversial.
It was on .world. And now you’re pretending otherwise.
The election wasn’t really about the Democrats being better, they just suck less.
Gloat more that there is no anti-genocide party.
