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Vivian Jenna Wilson, Elon Musk’s daughter, accused her father of giving a “definitely Nazi salute” at two rallies in January, calling his actions “fucking cringe.”

In an interview with Teen Vogue, she criticized Musk’s involvement in the Trump administration and advocated for trans rights, emphasizing the importance of gender-affirming care for minors.

Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.

She also expressed fear over anti-trans legislation under Trump’s administration.

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      16 days ago

      True, but shed also particularly able to speak on his mens rea. She’s spoken openly about how even when she was young he was bigoted and cruel. So while many of us may have witnessed a man get radicalized by the right wing as he lost his damn mind which might lead some to think it was him being edgy or something, she’s able to say that no, he in his private life as a man who was merely rich was a massive shit stain.

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      16 days ago

      My brother. He thinks it was just a normal heartwarming gesture and people are just finding reasons to hate on him. I had a… Pretty bad argument with him over it.

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      16 days ago

      All Republicans. My idiot sister. She’s like “I watched it” as if that’s proof it wasn’t? If the white superiority groups are applauding your actions, you’re in the wrong. That quieted her down but it didn’t change her mind. She thinks we’re all over reacting.

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    15 days ago

    Just to remind everyone of Elon’s response:

    He said that Tesla vandalism was connected to hormone therapy used by Trans people.

    Intentionally damaging a Tesla is now considered an act of demoestic terrorism.

    Just another step from Project 2025 criminalizing Trans people.

    And this is his fucking CHILD.

    What an irredeemable piece of shit.

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    The potential side effects of ketamine include dissociative experiences that may lead to confusion or impaired motor coordination, cognitive disturbances, and, with repeated misuse, the risk of developing a substance use disorder.

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      There was a porn star whose ketamine addiction led to a series of events which resulted in a vegetative state. She shows signs of consciousness but no signs of intelligence just like musky

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    In the past two months, while some of y’all motherfuckers have been busy arguing over whether it was a Nazi salute or not, this guy and his orange fucko have been dismantling the Constitution in real time. But sure—carry on. This debate is clearly way more important.

    Goddamnit.

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    17 days ago

    Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.

    So he’s a sociopath. That checks out

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      17 days ago

      He literally just said “empathy is weakness” the other day, I think it’s pretty clear he’s got some serious personality disorder. Narcissism and sociopathy both seem to fit him pretty well but I’m just a blue-collar guy.

      Idk one way or another he’s a piece of shit and I firmly believe one of the most evil people kicking, if anyone can be said to be evil, it’s him.

      And I’ve played a LOT of evil in DnD over the years. Both sides of the screen. I feel like I’ve got a pretty good grasp of the concept. If he was just a character in literature I’d go “damn, that’s a good villain”, but he is, sadly, alive and real.

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    17 days ago

    Well, according all the comments here that I’ve read, I’m stupid.

    Yes, when you watch the motion as a small repeating gif, of course it looks like a salute. When I watch the actual video, and listen to him speaking, I do not think its a salute.

    His child in the article is obviously not happy their father, even before this happened. Reading the article, its obvious their opinion is based on the trans issue, and because they disagree on the topic, then he must be a Nazi. Since they give no other reason for him being a Nazi, I don’t think their opinion holds much validity.

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      17 days ago

      It’s incredibly bizarre that there are people in the world defending this shit.

      It’s even more incredibly bizarre that anyone could actually look at that video and see anything other than a fucking nazi salute.

      People like you are why this world is turning to absolute shit. Just another cog in the wheel.

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        I’m not defending it, because that’s not what I think it was, and that’s all I’ve said about it.

        Why do so many of you here have such a hard time with just understanding that it is possible that other people can see something a different way?

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      16 days ago

      oh yes the “everyone that disagrees with me thinks im a nazi” comment, get over yourself, you know you are one. Also another saying if everyone is A B" around you, you most likely are. hence you are probably here because reddit banned you for the same reason you will be on most forums.

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        16 days ago

        Get over yourself. I didn’t even say “everyone thinks I’m a Nazi.”

        I said “Well, according all the comments here that I’ve read, I’m stupid.” And I said that because plenty of the comments I was reading said that anyone thinking (what I said I think) is stupid.

        And no, I’ve never had a reddit account. Not sure what your problem is.

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      17 days ago

      He did it twice. With gusto. You’re clearly struggling to reconcile that your idol is a Nazi and you’ve been wrong to worship him, or you’re also a Nazi.

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      You may not be aware, but Nazis (both traditional and the neo variant) love dog whistles.

      Obscure and hidden symbolism is core to their ideologies.

      Nazis (and most hate groups in general) love doing things that are just innocent enough, but with a wink or a nudge, demonstrate clear intention.

      It’s quite easy to not do a nazi salute and when public speaking, politicians (and people who practice their public speaking skills in general) have traditionally been coached on what features may be construed as, just look at the traditional ‘non-threatening’ two finger point.

      Finally, I don’t think it really matters what it technically was or wasn’t, what matters is perception and reception.

      Edit: I want to add some concrete examples of nazi dog whistling and symbolism.

      Historically the numbers 88 have been used by neo Nazis to represent HH (8th letter of the alphabet) as a disguised way to say ‘heil Hitler’

      The numbers on their own don’t mean anything, but given additional context, behaviors, or related ideals, then an additional meaning can be found.

      This is often used as an intentional way to inform sympathizers to your position that you are on their side (for example a group at a political gathering) without overtly communicating your position to those opposed.

      Another example is skinheads (not sharps) wearing and lacing their boots in a certain way with specific color laces.

      Hitler himself was immensely into the occult and found hidden symbolism to be very powerful, it’s part of why he repurposed so much religious iconography.

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        17 days ago

        Yeah, I understand that. And I’ve spent some time online talking with neo Nazis, and I know how they act. I just don’t think he actually is. Conservative, yeah, but not a Nazi.

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      17 days ago

      Watching the original video it absolutely looks like it even alone without Hitler right beside it. It did the first time and it has every time ever since that. I watched it live and immediately said, “what the fuck”

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        17 days ago

        Maybe you wanted to see it? I don’t know if you did but if you already thought he was a Nazi, then of course you’d see it.

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        People will see what they want to see. Even if Elon discovered the cure to all types of cancer, people would still nitpick anything about him to justify their hate.

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            People voted for this “dismantling”. If you ask, Trump voters seem pretty satisfied on this regard.

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        16 days ago

        If you don’t care what I think, then why waste your time replying to me?

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      No person in their right mind would make such a gesture, especially not speaking in front of millions. It was not a 100% clear Hitlergruß. To me it seems pretty obvious that it was an intentional move to further divide the US population into people claiming he did a Nazi salute and those brushing it off as a random gesture, ridiculing the other side. Ragebaiting by doing a 99% nazi salute is not much better than doing an actual one.

      How come its mostly people who behave exactly like nazis who ‘accidentally’ make very similar gestures to nazi salutes? I wonder…

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        17 days ago

        What if he just made a motion, and it happened to look like that, even though it was not intentional? Watching the video, that’s how I see it. I think he just got caught up in the moment, and made a gesture of thanks, not trying to look like anything.

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          16 days ago

          You sure are spending a lot of time on your apologia.

          Sometimes, like Nazi salutes- actions are much louder than words.

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          He did it again, just a second later.

          Also, a ‘gesture of thanks’ usually doesnt involve tensing up your whole body and stretching your right arm with the palm facing downwards. This is as unnatural of a gesture as it gets.

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            He bent his whole body to give a salute. It was quite off-center and awkward, not really like the nazi salute as seen on historical videos of Hitler, which is a much more deliberate and aligned hand motion in relation to the body. If Elon time traveled to Hitler rallies and did this salute, he’d be reprimanded for doing it all wrong.

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    16 days ago

    Do we really need her opinion on this? I mean we all know what it was, I mean we might as well ask the baker at this point and make an article?

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      Her statement isn’t for you. It’s for all the Trumpanzees that are still in denial.