Democrats spent the last year asking where their Joe Rogan was. Hasan Piker is one of the few left-wing figures with the audience they covet — but the party is deeply hostile to the spontaneity and independence that make figures like him appealing.
Piker is an act of a conservative’s idea of a leftest
Puppy killers on one side and dog torturers on the other. Canines can’t catch a break.
Yeah they already have a Hasan Piker, his name is Hasan Piker
Maybe we should not want the tankie, dog torturer?
Point on your Destiny waifu pillow where Hasan touched you.
But he exposes people who believe anything they read so easily.
The thing is the Democrats today are nowhere near the left, more like right center, while MAGA is far right.
I just don’t think “Dems” really exist. People left of MAGA just vote for Democrats because it is what they have to choose from. People who want communism or socialism or social programs or just more fallbacks all want them in varying ways. People say “corporate Democrats” which is basically the majority of what the democratic party has represented for the last decade. A lot of people want to reform what the democratic party is because it is the only structure that exists so that’s why people want to primary everyone. In the end though that means that a corporate Democrat, and all those other groups are voting to replace the same people, but they don’t have the same views/wants. So there is no one person that would be an agreeable spokesperson for all of the various beliefs. Someone who believes the means of production should be owned by the people will never agree with someone who believes the means of production should be own by private entities. So they would be shitting all over each other’s “spokesperson” or whatever.
Interesting, I have never heard this claim before
Exactly this
The party wants a “Joe Rogan of the left” so they can focus on controlling one person to drag millions of people along into whatever fresh hell their billionaire donors are cooking up. Just like the Joe Rogan of the right.
I do not want there to be a Joe Rogan of the left.
The problem is that what they actually want is “Joe Rogan of the middle” and they already have that in the form of basically every single newscaster that isn’t a magatard.
magaturd, please
Well actually the party is composed of many different people, a variety of backgrounds, and many of them don’t want a Joe Rogan of the left because they know that it’s just b*******. But it’s a cute idea to pretend that they do.
I think it’s clear “the party” here is referring to top party leadership. When people say “Washington holds negotiations with Moscow”, do you object that, in fact, very few citizens of either city were involved?
Just like the preferred establishment candidates, they want an empty vessel with no political ideology they can fill with money and operate like a puppet to sheepdog for their own purposes.
Joe Rogan is a right wing manifestation. The left wing equivalent is some sort of group, not an individual. That’s one of the fundamental differences between the two sides.
We used to have a Joe Rogan of the left, he was Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
RFK Jr was never left
Neoliberal maybe but they’re right wingers unless you still drink that high fructose American koolaid where Democrats are “radical far left”
I guess you don’t remember Ring of Fire and Air America Radio. Granted, it’s been a minute. 😉
Huh, TIL. There’s an interesting personal account from someone who interned at Ring of Fire and worked with RFK Jr. out there. Seems to be his lack of research is a common theme throughout his life.
Ring of Fire is still going isn’t it?
As a podcast, yeah, but long without RFK Jr.
Ah yes, the shady and shitty democratic party is refusing to endorse a shady and shitty person. Missed opportunity. Tho i see why because the democratix party is trying to appeal to centrists while hasan is trying to appeal to more left leaning audiences while people who actually want change and take sacrifices for it dont get a voice. Last time i commented something like this i got downvoted to onlivion cause people refuse to believe hasan is not an actual leftist just a china shill(china being a very much capitalist country).
Still being downvoted without any constructive criticisms, I see.
It’s probably the china thing, people suck up to china for no reason too.
Is there a stipulation that one must leave “constructive” criticism before one downvotes?
No one owes you or the guy you’re commenting to anything. Stop thinking your argument is somehow proven if you get no or negative engagement. That’s just fucking stupid.
I agree with this actually as the original commenter lol. Downvotes are to signal disagreement, the same way you dont have to comment under anything you like, you dont have to comment under something you dislike. Its still funny that with 9 downvotes nobody has engaged while with 9 upvotes they would usually. I guess the one counterintuitive thing is people would think downvoting someone means you disagree which creates room for discussion, while positive engagement actually seems to create more discussion which may actually be a good thing. Also i speak of hasan in a very offensive manner in my comment(which i did because ive really had enough of him) which people will alsl engage less with. If i said “i dont like hasan” people would try to change my opinion but if i said “hope hasan gets thanos snapped” theres no opinion to change, thats dead set.
While I don’t agree with your opinion on the situation I appreciate your overall composure here.
I will share that, from my perspective, he speaks for a far more radicalized and younger left voice (read: that does not mean I am arguing against the reasoning behind that radicalization nor against radicalization either) which is a voice that crucial to be heard.
The left in America, overall, has capitulated far too much to the center for the sake of ‘stability’ and yet, here we are, with a populist radical conservative destroying the foundations we need to progress forward.
Democrats want a moron?
The party is deeply hostile to anything that questions capitalism and the status quo. They’re shooting themselves in the foot, again, by wanting to push Hasan away as a messenger. He clearly appeals to a certain demographic under the left’s umbrella.
agreed, they want a coalition sized vote without acknowledging any of the concerns having that size of a vote needs. Bunch of spoiled rich crooked babies who refuse to do the hard work of leading… and then they repeatedly lose and try to blame everyone else for their lack of attention to the voters who dont feel represented.
spoiled rich crooked babies who refuse to do the hard work of leading… and then they repeatedly lose and try to blame everyone else
That line fits Hasan pretty well, actually.
His whole model is to deride institutions while depending on other people to do the institutional work he looks down on. He can bless the handful of candidates who pass his purity test, but that is not the same thing as building power. In U.S. politics, elected officials need a broad coalition around them, and the way Hasan operates his platform subverts that.
So even when his preferred progressives win, what then? If there are fewer Democrats overall (because people like Hasan don’t discourage voting third-party or abstaining from voting in general), then progressives have fewer coalition partners, and smaller voting blocs to work with, so those wins come with less leverage, not more, and the country slides farther to the right.
Bernie Sanders understands this, which is why when Hasan tried to draw Sanders into criticizing Newsom, Sanders did not indulge it. Same reason Sanders was so friendly with Manchin: he knows what compromises need to be made to maximize chances of enacting progressive policy.
Yep. And let’s not forget, just as recently as a year ago, Lemmy would ban people for saying “both parties suck.” And anyone who supported third-parties were pounded on and called russians and nazis. That still happens, but not as much anymore, thank goodness.
Finally more and more people here are starting to come around to realizing that neither the democrats nor the republicans want to help us plebs.
Both parties do suck and as long as people keep shooing away third-party voters, they’ll continue to suck. Remember guys, the only reason third-parties are weak is because you all refuse to support them.
Yep. And let’s not forget, just as recently as a year ago, Lemmy would ban people for saying “both parties suck.” And anyone who supported third-parties were pounded on and called russians and nazis. That still happens, but not as much any more, thank goodness.
Yeah, because context matters. The political environment when you’re in the middle of the general election and infighting accomplishes fuck-all except to help the enemy is entirety different from the one when it’s time to find new primary candidates and there’s an opportunity for dissent to actually serve a useful purpose.
Weird how attempting to control peoples opinions online didn’t win Harris the presidency then.
Maybe the focus should’ve been on earnestly listening to concerns from the leftists under the umbrella instead of silencing them.
IT WAS TOO FUCKING LATE FOR THAT! Harris was the candidate. End of. There was zero possibility of replacing her with somebody more leftist. The choices were only “vote for Harris” or “help Trump.” That’s it.
Game theory is MATH, not an opinion!
Did you think I wanted that class traitor prosecutor bitch either?! Fuck, no! But, being someone who isn’t a goddamn drooling moron, I realized that Trump was even worse and held my nose. That’s how the system works, and it does not care how much you or I both hate it.
Nobody was trying to “control people’s opinions;” we were trying to stop you from making an objective mathematical error that would destroy us all.
It wasn’t too fucking late for Harris to change messaging though.
You failed then.
Harris is a neoliberal piece of shit. She wasn’t going to change, no matter how much any of us whined or threatened to withhold our votes over it!
You could either understand that and work to reduce harm, or fuck up and ruin everyone’s lives because you were too stubborn or stupid to accept factual reality.
This is what these people constantly ignore. They reply by calling us stupid shit like “blueMAGA” or a liberal, and it usually terminates the conversation. They know exactly what they are doing.
When in reality, I can only speak for myself, I fucking hate the current Democratic party. Like 99% of them are absolute trash.
That doesn’t mean I’m not going to call you out when you’re online working overtime to convince left leaning voters in October 2024 not to vote.
But no, we’re just dirty liberals who love the DNC and are incapable of criticizing them (just be sure not to check comment history).
Now you are seeing how it was back then. Imagine the guy you’re responding to, and 100 more just like him ganging up on ya. And just as angry, stubborn, and mad as he is.
That’s how it was back then. lolol
It’s like I never left Reddit lol
The choices were only “vote for Harris” or “help Trump.”
Or vote third party. Which I proudly did. And will do again unless the Democrats stop fucking shit up.
Did you think I wanted that class traitor prosecutor bitch either?! Fuck, no!
So why didn’t you speak up? Was it because you knew Lemmy would censor you? Do you think it’s right to censor someone for what you just said?
That’s how the system works, and it does not care how much you or I both hate it.
The system is like that because you refuse to support third-party support. By you refusing to validate third parties, they don’t have the pull they should have. But if EVERYONE voted third party, guess what? Shit would start to change. You are actually part of the problem, not the solution.
Nobody was trying to “control people’s opinions;” we were trying to stop you from making an objective mathematical error that would destroy us all.
And how did that work out for you? What ended up happening?
The choices were only “vote for Harris” or “help Trump.”
Or vote third party.That’s a lie. “Vote third party” is a subset of “help Trump.”
grue, I dont vote for genociders, full stop. Harris was going to continue Bidens support of zionism, thats just a fact. If we must literally feed the bodies of innocents and children into the gears of our “democracy” or it explodes, I say let it explode ASAP, because you’ll just be voting for more genocide next election too, wont you.
Have the zionists relinquished their hold on the democratic party? No. Have the dem leaders kicked them out? No.
Maybe if you took the time to take a stand on that too our leaders would see they cant win by taking that position. Your “harm minimization” is short term thinking and just delays the inevitable. Sooner or later this has to happen, so lets do it now instead of after we have even more blood on our hands. You’re just spending other people lives to stall for time.
Thanks for proving my point. I bet ya miss the lemmy times right before the 2024 election, huh? I bet you hate seeing how many people are pro-third party these days! lololEDIT: A little too much snark, but poster is definitely showing how angry some people can be when it comes to third-party talk.
Weird how attempting to control peoples opinions online didn’t win Harris the presidency then.
Well said!
The political environment when you’re in the middle of the general election and infighting accomplishes fuck-all
So do you agree with the censorship we had back then? Do you think it’s ok to call people nazis, russians, and racists, just because they didn’t support either of the two major parties?
I’m assuming you don’t, but that was happening. And not just to me.
Dude, I had a guy DM’ing me telling me he was going to find out where I lived and post it on Lemmy so I could “find out what happens.” Even tho that is against pretty much every single instance rule of any instance. All because I didn’t think Harris was a great choice and I didn’t think she could beat Trump.
Guess what? That guy is still on lemmy, and has a huge fucking list of bad shit in his mod history. But he’s still here. Lemmy didn’t care at all that he did that, and felt it was fair play, because I said both parties suck. Or as they like to make fun of back then: “bOtH PaRtIeS!”
I don’t care what political environment was going on, trying to censor and get rid of people who weren’t 100 percent on the Democrat Train back then was wrong.
Not only that, I feel vindicated. I see lots of people openly saying the same stuff now that I was saying then. And now it’s not so taboo. But does that mean we’re gonna have the same censorship in 2028? And if so, will be ok?
I’m not being snarky, I’d really like your opinion.
So do you agree with the censorship we had back then? Do you think it’s ok to call people nazis, russians, and racists, just because they didn’t support either of the two major parties?
First of all, being called out isn’t “censorship.” You haven’t given any examples of being censored (i.e. having your comments deleted by the mods or admins); you’ve only complained about how other users treated you.
Second, There were exactly two reasons to advocate against voting for Harris, once she was the candidate:
- The person doing so was an enemy of American democracy (e.g. a nazi or Russian) who was deliberately concern trolling to help Trump win.
- The person was too damn stupid to understand the game theory of how the election worked, effectively acting as a useful idiot for the above.
In other words, those labels were accurate because such people were materially helping the nazis, Russians, and racists.
Dude, I had a guy DM’ing me telling me he was going to find out where I lived and post it on Lemmy so I could “find out what happens.” Even tho that is against pretty much every single instance rule of any instance. All because I didn’t think Harris was a great choice and I didn’t think she could beat Trump.
Guess what? That guy is still on lemmy, and has a huge fucking list of bad shit in his mod history. But he’s still here. Lemmy didn’t care at all that he did that, and felt it was fair play, because I said both parties suck. Or as they like to make fun of back then: “bOtH PaRtIeS!”
I agree that doxxing you is not okay and that he should’ve been banned for it.
But you’re either confused or not telling the whole story, because there is no such thing as “Lemmy” as a monolithic entity that can have a single opinion like that. You’re actually talking about the decision of one admin of one instance, but attempting to crucify everyone on the entire network for it. (Or at least, everyone who doesn’t conform to your particular viewpoint, which is a bit ironic for somebody complaining about being censored.)
Not only that, I feel vindicated. I see lots of people openly saying the same stuff now that I was saying then.
Because NOW it’s appropriate! BACK THEN it was objectively a mistake, and the passage of time does not retroactively change that!
But does that mean we’re gonna have the same censorship in 2028?
In 2028 – if we even have free and fair elections at all, because that’s how catastrophic your preferred outcome has been! – I will be there begging, pleading and screaming for you to quit trying to help the fascists by telling people not to vote for the candidate opposing them. And it will continue to NOT BE CENSORSHIP because that’s not what censorship is.
You haven’t given any examples of being censored (i.e. having your comments deleted by the mods or admins); you’ve only complained about how other users treated you.
Like I am gonna go down that path. I had comments removed, I was banned from multiple communities, some literally said, I was banned for “bOtH sIdEs.” Dude, I had people trying to dox me. You’d love me to post proof wouldn’t ya? Because then all the doxxing would start to happen again. Nah…thanks, but not thanks.
But you’re either confused or not telling the whole story, because there is no such thing as “Lemmy” as a monolithic entity that can have a single opinion like that. You’re actually talking about the decision of one admin of one instance, but attempting to crucify everyone on the entire network for it.
See above. Also, I realize that Lemmy isn’t one person, but I think it’s pretty much common knowledge that most of lemmy has the same opinion about lots of things. Just like when people say “The United States thinks…” doesn’t actually mean every single person in the US, but what you feel is a vast majority. Same thing, guy.
Because NOW it’s appropriate! BACK THEN it was objectively a mistake, and the passage of time does not retroactively change that!
It was never appropriate to censor differing opinions. Especially on a platform as small as Lemmy. Every single person in Lemmy could have voted for Harris, and it wouldn’t have done fuck all to change the election. There just aren’t that many people on Lemmy.
You are legit just saying, “Oh, well it was a different time back then…” Think about that. Hmmm, how many people on the wrong side of history have said that about their actions. Think about that.
In 2028 – if we even have free and fair elections at all, because that’s how catastrophic your preferred outcome has been! – I will be there begging, pleading and screaming for you to quit trying to help the fascists by telling people not to vote for the candidate opposing them. And it will continue to NOT BE CENSORSHIP because that’s not what censorship is.
What makes you think I wanted Trump to win? I didn’t vote for him. We have the right to vote for whoever we want to win, regardless of odds or “math.” If I wanted Trump to win, I could have voted for him. But I didn’t. Because he wasn’t my choice. Just because your candidate lost, don’t get mad at me.
Even if every single person who voted third party, put their vote towards Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how bad the margin was. If you wanna be mad, be mad at the people who didn’t vote.
Better yet, be mad at the party you voted for, who chose a lackluster candidate who lost. :)
And it will continue to NOT BE CENSORSHIP because that’s not what censorship is.
Sure you can yell if you want. I support your right to do that. I support your right to vote for whoever you want. But shouldn’t you support my right to as well? And I don’t think yelling at me is censorship. I think removing my posts, trying to brigade downvote me, follow me around on Lemmy downvoting out of spite, and trying supporting efforts to block me is censorship (not as in legal definition).
Thanks for commenting. You providing a great example of how mad people were about going against the tide in those days.
I’m still trying to have a good-faith discussion here, so I’m just going to ignore the top half of your comment.
You are legit just saying, “Oh, well it was a different time back then…” Think about that. Hmmm, how many people on the wrong side of history have said that about their actions. Think about that.
NO I AM NOT!
I am explaining why the different circumstances at that time were – or at least, should’ve been – relevant to your decision-making.
What makes you think I wanted Trump to win? I didn’t vote for him.
You refused to vote for the only person who could beat him.
Just because your candidate lost, don’t get mad at me.
Harris was not “my candidate,” and I’m mad at you because your delusional fuck-up helped destroy my children’s future! This was not ‘just another election’ where the other team won. American democracy itself is systematically being dismantled. It is an existential threat that America will not ever recover from if it’s not stopped soon (and even then, it’s a long shot). I am seriously considering fleeing the country because of people like you! Thousands are dead in Palestine, Ukraine, Venezuela, Iran, and the US itself because people like you were asked to do harm reduction and refused!
(Of course you’re gonna say something like “it’s not my fault, it’s MAGA’s fault.” And sure, I’m even madder at the fascists themselves, obviously. But I’m bothering to argue with you about it instead of them because, unlike them, I think people like you are still capable of seeing the error of your ways.)
Thanks for commenting. You providing a great example of how mad people were about going against the tide in those days.
Because ‘the tide’ is literally what wins elections, and so going against it is how you lose!
and I’m mad at you because your delusional fuck-up helped destroy my children’s future!
How so? I already told you that if every single third party voter had voted for Harris, she would still have lost. That’s how large the margin of loss was for her. The party that you suppport picked her. And you still support them. That’s on you, guy. Not me. As long as you continue to support them and the “No matter who, vote blue” mindset, what reason do they have to change? You are enabling them.
I am seriously considering fleeing the country because of people like you!
Good luck. I think you’ll find out that lots of countries are even more strict than we are when it comes to immigration policies. To find a country that would accept you and that’s better or even as good as the US is gonna be tough. It’s slim pickings out there.
Yep. And let’s not forget, just as recently as a year ago, Lemmy would ban people for saying “both parties suck.”
Oh interesting. Good to know.
I realize I’m late so am just responding here for posterity, but - while I’m open to evidence - in my experience the people who were banned were clearly or very likely bad faith astroturf and propaganda accounts. They were clearly trying to split the vote, depress left turnout, and would just repeat LLM-generated junk rather than respond to any good faith debate.
And I think the bans were right in retrospect because the timed (not typically perma) bans expired and those people still magically disappeared completely from Lemmy after the election.
In the end, they probably did their job. Trump is in office destroying the country/world, and right now there are probably real people in this thread who think their “both sides” opinions are being censored in part because of the echoes of the noise those bad faith agents made way back in 2024.
And I think the bans were right in retrospect because the timed (not typically perma) bans expired
Lol, no they weren’t/didn’t.
and those people still magically disappeared completely from Lemmy after the election.
Lol, no we didn’t.
I’m standing with ya, brother! Thank you!
“Democratic National Committee officials who crafted the party’s postmortem on its loss to President Donald Trump in the 2024 election reportedly determined that the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza cost Kamala Harris votes, contributing to her defeat.”
very likely bad faith astroturf and propaganda accounts.
And that’s the same tired argument that was made then. Why do you find it so hard to accept that some people just aren’t onboard with either of the two main parties? Look around. Tide is turning. Lots of people on Lemmy now are open to third parties now. Are they all propaganda accounts too?!
This is why you all lost the fucking election. Because you can’t wrap your head around the fact that you may be wrong about things.
Facts: Lemmy had about 40,000–50,000 monthly active users worldwide in November 2024. There were 236 MILLION U.S. citizens voting-age. 154+ MILLION actual ballots cast. Third-party advocates made an even smaller slice of that already microscopic global user base. It’s utterly ludicrous for anyone to think that third-party voters on Lemmy could have split the vote or had any meaningful say whatsoever in the presidential election.
Yet you are ok with them being censored because you were scared of them. How’d that work out? They were banned, and guess what? Trump still won. Again.
those people still magically disappeared completely from Lemmy after the election.
I was told I would “disappear” after the election. Maybe it looks like I did because I had to create a new username (not for ban evading–I actually blocked the instances I was banned from). But here I am.
Am I a ‘propaganda’ account, still going, 2 years after the election?
Not only that, but I see lots of people being accused of being alts of those ‘propaganda’ posters. So did they really disappear if their alts are everywhere? Hmmm…
You want democrats to win the next election? Then pick a candidate who can win. You all lost to Trump twice. Think about that.
Also, even if every single person who voted third party, changed their vote to Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big the margin of her loss was. Lemmy wasn’t even close to making a dent in any of that, so to blame Lemmy posters for it is crazy.
It costs next to nothing to include Lemmy in a social media astroturf and propaganda campaign, and is even easier and more effective because the small userbase means people’s posts are viewed less suspiciously (case in point: Your entire “the userbase is too small lolol” argument here). I am absolutely certain a few people I interacted with during that time were astroturf, MAGA-in-disguise or propaganda accounts. Re-read the part of my reply about necessary but not sufficient causation, to address your “third party vote” argument (I said nothing about third party voters, note, but you also ignore depressed turnout).
But to get a little meta: I’m engaging in good faith discussion and giving reasons for my arguments. And you come here, respond to me twice (edit: three times?) with condescending derision when I wasn’t even talking to or about you, and are making an illogical claim that a 50K userbase somehow means Lemmy is immune from propaganda (whether state or individual). You then downvote me, which I didn’t do to anyone I disagree with here. It’s childish and petty.
We are two people who probably want the same left-based outcomes and have disagreements on the method to get there, but you’re ranting to me about random things in this thread that I didn’t even say. You’re being extremely unpleasant, unkind and uncivil. I stand by what I said.
Second edit: Seeing your profile and comment about being banned, here’s a direct question: Did you go by the username UniversalMonk prior to the election? The MO, aggressive response style, and AI-generated profile stuff is almost identical.
Thread was under my comments in this thread, so I responded. No that was not my username. I had to change my username because of doxxing attempts and numerous KYS dm’s I was getting. From searching just now, looks like your person is still an active current poster. I guess he didn’t ‘disappear after the election’ either.
I don’t use my old username anymore, and the instance it was on, closed. The person who told me to kill myself several times back then, and tried to dox me, is still around and still posts too. lol
I haven’t been rude or uncivil to you at all.
My profile isn’t ai generated. I’m here right now replying to you. I wrote my profile. Just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn’t mean they’re ai or that they’re bots or that they’re propaganda. Your comments are an exact snapshot of the time period I was talking about. So neither you or I left, and neither of us have changed our minds. Which means you believe in what you are saying, and I believe in what I’m saying. IMHO, neither of us deserve to be censored just because we don’t agree.
The fact that you’re attributing the entirety of Harris’ loss on the vocal leftists online opposed to the genocide is absolutely ridiculous.
That’s a strawman version of what I said and I’ll explain why. First, I blame propagandists and bad-faith posters. That means, foreign actors paying troll farms, accelerationists, MAGA-in-left’s-clothing. Second, multiple causes can be necessary but not sufficient to an outcome.
Did online propaganda of this type help Trump’s victory? Certainly. Was it a sufficient cause on its own? Probably not. But we’ll never know, hence the “probably,” which you’ll note is different from what you imply my comment said.
That means, foreign actors paying troll farms, accelerationists, MAGA-in-left’s-clothing.
lololol For lemmy. Which in 2024, had 50,000 active users at most, compared to 236 MILLION voting-age U.S. citizens. And of those 50K Lemmy users, what, maybe 20 were advocating for third party. How much do you think someone would pay 20 people to post on a platform that is so small?! lolol Think about what you are saying.
And they were banned, but what did it do? How did the election turn out? How do you think the election would have turned out if Lemmy didn’t exist? lol
I wish someone paid me to post. LMAO
Was it a sufficient cause on its own? Probably not.
This is the correct answer. So censoring people based on their views wasn’t a great look for Lemmy. And it didn’t change the income anyway.
That was almost single handedly the mod named jordanlund. He seems to have changed his behavior recently. Maybe.
I can’t/won’t name names, but I will say, seems like ya were definitely around during those times!
He does seem to have changed his behaviour a lot, as have many others. So not sure if it’s because of reality or trying to not get called out now, but it’s still refreshing to see positive changes when it comes to ban hammers.
Yeah, and especially before the elections. I was here mid-2024. Holy shit, you have no idea how crazy it was then. People on Lemmy were so blinded by NotTrump!!!, that they would pounce on anyone who criticized the Democratic party.
I remember when Biden was starting to show bad signs of him not being all there mentally. Lemmy ignored it. Even during the famous presidential debate where it couldn’t be ignored that he was not fit, Lemmy downvoted and removed posts about it. Until finally, the tide turned and everyone started to admit it. Then the Harris choice.
Now, it’s pretty ok to criticize about how Harris was picked and how badly the Democratic party handled it. But at the time, oh hell no.
I remember being called a racist and a nazi for saying, “I don’t know about Harris. She seems kind of bland and parrots Biden, I wish we had someone more independent.” The shitstorm I got for that. People stalking me, downvoting all my posts, trying to find out where I lived, etc. DM’s that told me to kill myself. Every day. All because I said Harris was a bland candidate. lololol
I had a guy trying to doxx me and find out where I lived by looking for clues in photos I posted of me walking in a park, so I had to change usernames and block all the political comms. Fucking crazy.
Even tho now a lot more people on Lemmy agree with things that match up to what I said then, not one single apology. Not one. Some of the people who openly attacked me, now even say the exact same things I said then.
I was “both parties suck” before it was cool. :)
Now having said that, if the democratic party can find a young person, with drive and who’s independent and who really wants to changes things up, I could be on board. I like AOC. So her or someone like her would make me change my mind.
But until that happens, nah…both parties suck. lol
That sounds eerily like Reddit at the same time. I was absolutely lambasted for speaking up about Harris’ messaging on Israel and such.
Lemmy may not be quite as different from Reddit as we want to claim.
Lemmy may not be quite as different from Reddit as we want to claim.
Definitely not. In fact, we gotta realize that a lot of people are here because they were too extreme for Reddit. So we are like the nerdier, meaner, more anti-social reddit.
I still like the idea of Lemmy, but the attitude of a lot of people here is turning me off. So many users seem to think censorship and exclusion are perfectly fine, as long as it’s the ‘correct’ side doing it. They don’t realize they’re acting exactly like the Republicans they claim to hate.
censorship and exclusion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
Again, being called out on your bullshit isn’t the same thing as being “censored.” If you’re feeling “excluded,” well, that’s what happens when you’re wrong and refuse to see it.
Again, being called out on your bullshit isn’t the same thing as being “censored.”
Me saying that I support third parties because I was unhappy with both democrat and republican parties, isn’t being “called out” on my “bullshit.” It was fucking censorship.
I was called a nazi and a racist and a Trumper for saying that. None of it was true. How is that being called out?
Do you realize that what you said about Harris in your comments, would have been ban-worthy back in 2024 just before the election? Do you think that’s ok?!
I think this is a good take from the Sam Seder crew regarding how new media operates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BACFyzIjehQ
Because of media fragmentation, two things. First, the vast majority of people do not know who Hasan Piker is. It’s a big fragmented media landscape, so most people don’t know who “everyone” else is in the media landscape. If you listen to Meidas Touch or Don Lemon, you probably have no clue who Hassan is.
Second… People get whatever content they are going to get from whichever podcasts or news programs they like, and in general, they like the personality of the people they’ve developed trust in to give them the news or media analysis. People who know who Hassan is, they like him.
It’s a form of positive selection bias. People like who they know and they know who they are because they like them. It’s why they’ve come to know them.
The Hassan derangement syndrome thing is real and it brings no one to the table. It only serves to appease a small group of donors and only hurts the Democrats.
Amanda Litman (who runs the Run For Something organization) just wrote a nice piece about the Hassan vs Democrat Party conundrum:
(substack, I know, I know)
https://amandalitman.substack.com/p/build-a-bigger-tent-wait-no-not-likeThis was a great read, thanks for sharing.
Oh that will be fun. Thanks .
Bad dog. No barking.
Put your shock collar back on and sit in place quietly like a good Hasan fan, @TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world.
Oh Jesus, this bullshit from Destiny and Saltman has permeated here as well? Gross.
I have no idea who those other streamers are. But I’ve watched several hours of Hasan on his own merit, and that fella is a trog all the way through: The Rogan/Asmongold comparisons are right on the money.
Now sit in your place.
I have no idea who those other streamers are
Just wanted to note that I’ve been enjoying your contributions lately. I perk up when I see TropicalDingDong has entered the conversation :)
same here! Theres a couple commenters on here that consistently make the points I wish I could make as effectively.
Haha IKR how could you have seen hasan even briefly and not know who destiny is?
All they talk about is eachother lol
All they talk about is eachother lol
Its insufferable. There is no thing I could possibly care less about than the navel gazing drama internal to a particular social media platform.
Oh I’m sure there’s plenty of people who know Hasan exists without ever realizing who Destiny is and I love that for him.
I’m sure it chaps little Stevie’s ass every time.
You’ve completely lapped up their disinformation campaign while remaining ignorant of their existence then. Almost impressive.
I just refreshed my memory from the KYM dogtober page and both those people are mentioned once, offhand. What else would I know them from?
I did see a video of Hasan dragging his other dog by the tail and yanking it around. Did those other streamers make him do that?
Ethan Klein, Destiny, and Dan Saltman all have a hard on to take Hasan down and collaborate on how to do so frequently. They’re obsessed.
You have fallen for a disinformation campaign.
I know who Cenk’s nephew is. Not a fan of either one. Though Hasan is definitely better than his uncle. That’s a low bar.
Hasan gets some pretty stupid ideas in his head. However more often than not he has absolutely found himself on the right side. And I will absolutely commend him and others for going to Cuba to deliver aid. Amid our fascist’s manufactured fuel shortage.
He’s certainly a character. I find him somewhat insufferable, at least in mannerisms, but it’s probably because I’m older. Chewing into the microphone, eating on camera, China glazing, arguing with chat. But clearly as media and taste’s have changed, enough people like Hasan enough to build him up as the bugfest leftwing content creator.
But if you want to know where things are going and what people believe, how they get to those beliefs, you gotta at least recognize them as a political agent. And I do like their focus on media analysis (similar to Majority Report in this regard). They aren’t covering the news if the day, they are covering how the news if the day is presented. Same as watching Meidas Touch to get an idea for what that audience is thinking, or Jim Acosta for understanding that crowd, or Don Lemon or Sabby Sabs, or TYT or dropsite or zeteo and on and on. If you want to know what audiences are being exposed to you gotta go to where that exposure is happening and watch and listen.
And in that landscape, well, Hasan is kinda a gorilla. Just, no left of center anyone is putting up numbers like Hasan does; not even by 10x. Outside of billionaire funded astroturfed RW channels, no one else has the numbers.
Like it’s not about if I like Hasan or not, like, if they are to my taste. It’s about whose got the numbers then trying to understand why. And Hasan speaks to a pretty unrepresented coalition of people who are far from rightwing, and also, far from naively supportive of Democrats. And I think it’s because they are willing to be say the quiet parts out loud, like “US deserved 9/11”.
Like it’s not about if I like Hasan or not, like, if they are to my taste. It’s about whose got the numbers then trying to understand why. And Hasan speaks to a pretty unrepresented coalition of people who are far from rightwing, and also, far from naively supportive of Democrats. And I think it’s because they are willing to be say the quiet parts out loud, like “US deserved 9/11”.
He also taps into a demographic that the Dems have lost in the past - disillusioned young men.
The important part, though, is that establishment democrats and the consultant class over-value the type of media that participates in this derangement.
So we’ll (again) end up with a democratic establishment that turns their shoulder to leftist independent creators and they will (again) lose and blame those same people
Democrats spent the last year asking where their Joe Rogan was.
I have never once heard anyone say that before reading it here. Rogan is an ill-informed person that uses his significant audience to spread misinformation and modern day mysticism against actual science while at the same time gives a platform to some truly horrible people.
Why on Earth would Democrats want that for themselves?
Democrats are on the hunt for their own Joe Rogan from May 2025
Democrats seeking to buy the ‘next Joe Rogan’ of the left after 2024 election defeat also May 2025
Could This 20-Year-Old Be One of the Democrats’ Bro Whisperers? from December 2024
Can Democrats win back podcasting? We asked 6 popular show hosts to weigh in from November 2024
Lowry: The Left can’t create a new Joe Rogan
It’s definitely been a topic for a couple of years now.
First, thank you for posting sources to support your claim. I looked at most of them.
Democrats are on the hunt for their own Joe Rogan from May 2025
The tagline on the article says: “Party leaders and mega-donors want to counter MAGA’s online momentum by recreating a digital right-wing ecosystem for the left”
Okay so Party Leaders and megadonors want this right? But the article continues…
“As Democrats plot a return from the electoral wilderness, a growing chorus of party figures has begun to push for a liberal-leaning alternative to the right’s digital dominance.”
So gone are the megadonors now, and we’re down to “party figures”. What happened to the megadonors? The article actually tells us…
“That belief has led to party mega-donors being ‘inundated with overtures’ to open their wallets for the development of an ‘army of left-leaning online influencers.’”
Okay, so the megadonors aren’t asking a Demo-Rogan, someone is asking megadonors to pay for a Demo-Rogan. But so far we still have no names of any of the cited “party leaders”. However we do have a named Democrat figure that is against a Demo-Rogan:
“The notion that victory is possible if they ‘spend enough billionaire money’ to create a Rogan equivalent ‘speaking in Democratic talking points’ is ‘laughable,’ said Emily Jashinsky at UnHerd.”
This supports my statement.
If you do run across the unnamed party leaders, I’d be interested in knowing who they are.
Democrats seeking to buy the ‘next Joe Rogan’ of the left after 2024 election defeat also May 2025
Sorry, I don’t consider Fox News as a news source. I skipped this one.
Could This 20-Year-Old Be One of the Democrats’ Bro Whisperers? from December 2024
I don’t have a NYT subscription so I couldn’t read the whole article, but the part I could read was talking about a young man with a politics driving youtube channel. I don’t consider that a Democratic Joe Rogan.
Can Democrats win back podcasting? We asked 6 popular show hosts to weigh in from November 2024
The article author openly says he’s not asking for a Demo-Rogan.
“Also, the idea of a ‘liberal Joe Rogan’ has been floated a lot since the election and I don’t want to just parrot that since it’s not really what I mean”.
Note: The “the idea of a liberal Joe Rogan” is a hyperlink to yet another article. I read that one too. There’s no claim of a Demo-Rogan there either. The closest the author gets to is this:
"If liberals ever hope to compete with such a successful messaging apparatus, they’re going to have to do more than create clones of Crooked Media. They will have to elevate, or build from the ground up, captivating public figures who connect with vast audiences including, but not limited to, disaffected young men—and entertain the hell out of them. "
Lowry: The Left can’t create a new Joe Rogan
That last article actually supports my position, not yours. It says this:
“Progressives are correct about the power of Rogan and his cohort of bro podcasters, but they don’t understand how thoroughly anathema their ideology and cultural sensibility are to this kind of programming. If Left did manage to create a progressive Joe Rogan in a lab, as soon as he said something controversial out in the wild, he’d be subject to cancelation.”
It’s definitely been a topic for a couple of years now.
At least from the articles you posted that is more of a incorrect statement than correct. Yes, I see how you came to that conclusion and in some very narrow readings there are pieces of truth but, I think your premise is disingenuous to claim to be generally true. Keep in mind, I’m not attacking you as a person. I’m not calling you a bad person. I just disagree with your conclusions.
The idea of Demo-Rogan messaging is a repeat of the 1990s where Al Frankin and others created [“Air America”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_America_(radio_network) to counter the Republican mouthpiece of the day Rush Limbaugh. Air America failed there too for the same reason a Demo-Rogan would today. Democrats don’t tune into radio for half truths and empty open ridicule of the GOP even though the GOP richly deserves ridicule, especially with trump in office.
I stand by my original statement.
I was simply responding to you claiming you’ve never seen this topic of the Democrats wanting their own Joe Rohan before today.
It has been a topic bantered about for a while now.
Huh. So you weren’t answering my posted question, but picking out the first sentence in my post. Thank you for clarifying your statement.
Okay, we have nothing further to talk about then.
A second downvote it is then.
Ask Gavin Newsome he seems like he loves bringing nazi and fucking hate mongers on his show.
Hasan is sketchy as fuck.
yes, but the centrist dems are even sketchier than that. Whats comes after ‘sketchier than fuck’?
Known for.
Fuck Hasan he’s a fake ass animal abuser
Better a “fake ass” animal abuser than a real animal abuser.
Why are you so confident he didn’t hurt his dog? /gen
He is a real animal abuser
Lol why are people down voting. He shocks his dog to stay on cam
I had hit reply to make the same joke before seeing your reply. lol. Dammit, internet, we all share one brain!
Hasan is uncontrollably brain broken from the roid rage.
You’re thinking of actual Joe Rogan
and many more but no I was talking about hasan
