Pretty much how Lemmy thinks! lmao

Odds even better from a brand-spankin’ new 1-month-old account,

Obivously you didn’t look at my profile where I listed my accounts. My original account is Lemmy.today. Then it was lemmings.world, but it’s closing. So I created this one. I am not a new 1-month-old account.

All that info is right in my profile.

I have been on Lemmy for 3 years, bub.

I think I’d bet money I did, in fact.

So you bet money that someone on Lemmy who says they are not a republican, is a republican? Um…doubt it. But if true, you are taking Lemmy way too seriously.

Again tho, if I were republican, wouldn’t it be better for me to vote Republican? Why would I vote third party if I were a republican? Seems kinda the long way around, don’t you think?

No you didn’t. If I were Republican I would have voted Republican. Why would I do a roundabout voting thing, rather than just vote Republican if I wanted a Republican to win?

It’s essentially unknowable, because the moment we remove third party votes, we can’t say for certain that margins the major parties would’ve ended up with

But you didnd’t say that in your reply to me. You specifically said, “Disproving your point technically” and “but rather to refute your point that Trump would’ve won without the third party voters.”

Also, I think it is knowable by numbers. I specifically said that if all the people who voted third party in 2024 prez election had voted for Harris instead, she still would have lost the election. The numbers show it.

We don’t base it on popular vote and NEVER have. It’s Electoral votes. Now I wish we went by popular vote. And I’m all for going by popular vote. But that hasn’t happened yet, and wasn’t a reality in 2024, which is the time frame for my example.

I’m behind ya on wanting popular vote. But you were incorrect in you orginal reply by implying that my statement was wrong. The numbers prove it.

The popular vote/electoral vote argument has been happening during every election in my lifetime. I ready for that to change, but that doesn’t make my statement or facts incorrect.

Harris lost to Trump by such a large margin, that even if 3rd party voters had voted for her instead, Trump still would have won.

If you wanna point fingers, point them at non-voters. That’s what would have changed the election.

Yep, and claim that we’re Russian bots and Propaganda Bots…all because we use facts. lol

Yep. Dems have been running on, “but, but…but our candidate isn’t republican” strategy for so long. And they still haven’t changed.

And from some of the comments in this thread, they are supported in doing that. So they’ll keep fucking it up. lol

I’ll happily admit I’m wrong if they put AOC forward as pres candidate. If they don’t put AOC in there, then I’ll keep voting third party.

I also truly hope the uncommitted No Vote / Third Party voters complicit in his election (I think I’ll call them Maga-lite at this point) have learned a thing or two since last election, too.

I’m a third party voter. And I did learn something. That I was right. I’ll be voting third-party again to. Dems suck. Republicans suck. I vote for who I want to win, not against who I don’t want to win.

Popular vote doesn’t decide the election and NEVER has decided the presidential election. U.S. Constitution (Article II, Section 1) has always required the president to be chosen by the Electoral College or by the House of Representatives in rare cases where no one gets a majority of electoral votes.

The popular vote is only used by states to help choose their electors. It has never overridden or replaced the Electoral College.

Your popular-vote math is correct about shifting all ~2.92 million actual third-party votes to Harris flips the popular vote. But the presidency is decided by the Electoral College.

In the three big swing states you mentioned:

Pennsylvania: Trump’s margin (120,266) > third-party votes (~68k–92k) → PA does not flip.

Michigan + Wisconsin: yes, they flip (+25 EV).

Result: Harris ends at 251 EV, Trump at 287 EV. Trump still wins the presidency.

So the numbers actually confirm my point: even if every person who voted third-party had voted for Harris instead, Trump still becomes president.

All of this is straight from the official FEC certified results.

The popular vote does not matter, and has not mattered for a while. The Electoral vote decides the election. Which by the way, BOTH parties refuse to change.

Exactly why I will never reward them with my vote. Unless they pic AOC, cuz I like her.

Surely it has nothing to do with the system that has all of us boxed into nicely manicured corners.

That’s totally the reason for most of the problems. I just refuse to stay in those corners.

And like I said, even if every single person who voted for 3rd party in 2024 voted for Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big her margin of loss was.

It wasn’t 3rd party voters that destroyed her chances, it was non-voters.

Be mad at them, not me.

So the next step, then, would be to push those candidates into senate / house seats, while protecting the presidency from the candidates who are interested in a fascist takeover

We already do that. And we have 9 candidates running (or actively trying to run) for governor in the 2026 elections.

And I do my part to protect the presidency from bad people, by voting who I want to win. And during the last election it was 3rd party. Proud of my vote then, proud of my vote now.

And I’ll gladly vote 3rd party in future elections too. Harris voters and the non-voters not voting for my candidate are why Trump won.

What you should be doing is pushing hard for your 3rd party of preference to run (and win) elections on the local and state level, not the presidency.

They do. My party has won local elections and state elections and hold office.

There were exactly 2 candidates who had a chance of winning that election.

Dems and Repubs teamed up in 1987 to create the Commission on Presidential Debates. They set strict rules that have excluded virtually every third-party candidate from the national stage ever since.

It’s one of the rare things they publicly agree on: maintaining the two-party lock on the biggest platform in politics.

IMHO, if you vote for Dems, you support that. Harris voters and the non-voters, not voting for my candidate are why Trump won. You know that. Pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

Like I said if the country wasn’t very clearly and decisively divided into 2 parties it would be different.

Because people like you keep repeating it and people get scared and don’t wanna take the chance.

Your opposition party would be absolutely thrilled if you voted 3rd party.

Even if every single person who voted for 3rd party in 2024 voted for Harris, she still would have lost. That’s how big her margin of loss was. Look it up.

It wasn’t 3rd party voters that destroyed her chances, it was non-voters.

As it stands, the more people they can get to throw their votes away instead of voting for someone that actually has a chance of winning (unless it’s their party of course) the happier they’ll be.

Again, because people like you keep saying that and scaring people. Let me piggback on your conspiracy theory: Both major parties actively work to keep third-party candidates from having a real shot.

And one of the clearest examples is how they teamed up in 1987 to create the Commission on Presidential Debates. They set strict rules that have excluded virtually every third-party candidate from the national stage ever since.

It’s one of the rare things they publicly agree on: maintaining the two-party lock on the biggest platform in politics.

Add every time you vote for them, you support them doing that. I refuse.

but you’re not acknowledging that you contributed to that loss by not voting strategically.

Why would I vote “strategically”? I voted for who I wanted to win, as everyone should. And yep, my candidate lost to Trump too. I have never thought, nor said, any different. But I don’t go around blaming everyone else for my candidates loss, yet I see a lot of Democrats do that.

Ya know why your candidate lost? Not enough people voted for her. Know why my candidate lost? Not enough people voted for her.

Let me put it another way, using your logic: Should I blame you for my candidates loss, since you voted for Harris instead of my candidate? Should I say that Trump only won because of people like you not voting for my candidate?

Because that’s exactly what you are trying to do to me.

I didn’t vote for either one and they are both equally bad. Yes, let me say that again so you don’t have to try a “gotcha” moment and try to repeat my words back to me. Yes, they are both equally bad. Yes, I think Harris would have done just as badly. Yes, I think both sides suck and in fact, I think they are practically the same.

The Democratic party lost to Trump, twice. Twice. That’s on you all, not me. Maybe the party should come up with a better candidate this time around.

It’s up the Dem party to inspire people to vote for them. the whole “but, but, but it’s not Trump!” strategy didn’t work. Either time. So are they gonna do better this time? Or are they just gonna write some harshly-worded press releases again?

If the Dem party nominates AOC, I’ll vote for them. If not, I’m voting third party. No amount of “gotcha” or “what if” scenarios that you are thinking of throwing at me will change my mind. You can throw all the hitler-nazi-fascist-emperor-pedo-king-wwIII-civilwar shit at me all you want. I don’t like either party and they both suck.

AOC or third party. Yep, I’m black and white that way. No, you aren’t going to change my mind. And that’s ok.

there were a lot of principled people holding that same belief either abstaining or declining to vote strategically, and now we have Trump.

I guess the Democrats should get a good enough candidate to offset that.

If you were one of those people, thinking you are not in small part responsible for the current administration is refusal to take responsibility for your own actions.

I guess the Democrats should have a good enough candidate to offset that. I proudly voted third party and will do again in upcoming elections unless the Dems choose AOC to run for president.

Never gonna hold my nose to vote. Never gonna vote for “lesser” evil. I vote for who I want to win, regardless of odds. As is my American right.

But if people keep thinking and what you are saying, then it never happens. Trust me, if everyone would suddenly vote for a third party, shit would. The duopoly wants you to keep being afraid to vote for at third party. Which is why I’ll keep voting third party.

Notice how neither side’s elected representatives really seem to give a shit about you?

THIS!!! Yet, Lemmys keep on mistakenly thinking that the Dem’s have their backs. lol

but we all know they won’t do either.

Which is why I’ll keep voting third party. I’m not gonna support a party with no spine.